Hi everyone,
I see the debate raging about 1977, so I had the idea to launch another one about 2003... I might be as much in an "alone vs the world" situation as CyBorg is on the other thread, though
I'll say it: I think Federer was the true number 1 in 2003. To clear things up, I am indeed a Federer fan, but I tried to be as objective as possible.
I know many people will consider that Roddick is the "obvious" no1 for some reason. I'll sum up my argument this way: Roddick was the ATP no1 because he was far more regular than Federer. But in my opinion the ATP totally overinflates the importance of regularity compared to performance.
I call the current ATP system the "0.7 system" because you win 1000 pts for a GS victory, 0.7*1000 for a final, close to 0.7^2*1000 for a SF, and so on following a geometrical law.
I, among many others on this forum think that a "0.5 system" would be fairer: 1000 for a win, 500 for a final, 250 for an SF etc.
I will prove that Roddick was no1 under the 0.7 formula by piling up semifinals in many tournaments, and that Federer would be no1 in the 0.5 system. If you think the current system is better than the 0.5, I respect this and Roddick is no1 according to your worldview.
Let's compute the numbers, for the top 3 players of that year:
Roddick:
Grand Slam: 250+7.8+250+1000
Masters: 125
Masters Series: 62.5+15.6+7.8+15.6+15.6+500+500+31.25+125
Others: 15.6+125+7.8+125+250+250+250+62.5+62.5
Total: 4055
Ferrero
GS:125+1000+62.5+500
Masters: 0
MS: 15.6+15.6+500+125+0+31.25+15.8+500+31.25
Others: 125+31.25+62.5+250+31.25+31.25+125
Total: 3578
Federer:
GS: 62.5+7.8+1000+62.5
Masters: 750
MS: 15.6+62.5+0+250+31.75+15.6+125+125+62.5
Others: 31.75+7.8+250+62.5+250+250+250+125+250+15.8
Total: 4063
As you can see, Federer and Roddick are almost equal under this system, with Ferrero a distant third.
Now, let's have a look at some other 'classic' ways of comparing players:
* Win/Loss record
Federer: 78-17=.821
Roddick: 72-19=.791
Ferrero: 66-21=.759
*Head-to-head inside the top 3
Federer leads Roddick 2-1 (with 2 straight sets wins for Federer, while Roddick won a last-set tie-breaker)
Federer leads Ferrero 2-1 (including a win on clay)
Roddick leads Ferrero 1-0
*Win-loss record against the top 10
Federer: 9-4 (4-4 before the Masters Cup)
Roddick: 5-5 (3-3 before the MC)
Ferrero 3-6 (3-3 before the MC)
*Last but not least: style, talent, the 'je-ne-sais-quoi':
The whole tennis world was astonished by the fashion Federer won Wimbledon and dominated his rivals in Houston. Many journalists and analysts ranked him the best using subjective arguments.
Conclusion: Federer has an edge, be it slight or wide, in every single category... To me, Federer was a no1 starting in 2003, and at the very least a co-no1.
Your thoughts?
Jonathan
I see the debate raging about 1977, so I had the idea to launch another one about 2003... I might be as much in an "alone vs the world" situation as CyBorg is on the other thread, though
I'll say it: I think Federer was the true number 1 in 2003. To clear things up, I am indeed a Federer fan, but I tried to be as objective as possible.
I know many people will consider that Roddick is the "obvious" no1 for some reason. I'll sum up my argument this way: Roddick was the ATP no1 because he was far more regular than Federer. But in my opinion the ATP totally overinflates the importance of regularity compared to performance.
I call the current ATP system the "0.7 system" because you win 1000 pts for a GS victory, 0.7*1000 for a final, close to 0.7^2*1000 for a SF, and so on following a geometrical law.
I, among many others on this forum think that a "0.5 system" would be fairer: 1000 for a win, 500 for a final, 250 for an SF etc.
I will prove that Roddick was no1 under the 0.7 formula by piling up semifinals in many tournaments, and that Federer would be no1 in the 0.5 system. If you think the current system is better than the 0.5, I respect this and Roddick is no1 according to your worldview.
Let's compute the numbers, for the top 3 players of that year:
Roddick:
Grand Slam: 250+7.8+250+1000
Masters: 125
Masters Series: 62.5+15.6+7.8+15.6+15.6+500+500+31.25+125
Others: 15.6+125+7.8+125+250+250+250+62.5+62.5
Total: 4055
Ferrero
GS:125+1000+62.5+500
Masters: 0
MS: 15.6+15.6+500+125+0+31.25+15.8+500+31.25
Others: 125+31.25+62.5+250+31.25+31.25+125
Total: 3578
Federer:
GS: 62.5+7.8+1000+62.5
Masters: 750
MS: 15.6+62.5+0+250+31.75+15.6+125+125+62.5
Others: 31.75+7.8+250+62.5+250+250+250+125+250+15.8
Total: 4063
As you can see, Federer and Roddick are almost equal under this system, with Ferrero a distant third.
Now, let's have a look at some other 'classic' ways of comparing players:
* Win/Loss record
Federer: 78-17=.821
Roddick: 72-19=.791
Ferrero: 66-21=.759
*Head-to-head inside the top 3
Federer leads Roddick 2-1 (with 2 straight sets wins for Federer, while Roddick won a last-set tie-breaker)
Federer leads Ferrero 2-1 (including a win on clay)
Roddick leads Ferrero 1-0
*Win-loss record against the top 10
Federer: 9-4 (4-4 before the Masters Cup)
Roddick: 5-5 (3-3 before the MC)
Ferrero 3-6 (3-3 before the MC)
*Last but not least: style, talent, the 'je-ne-sais-quoi':
The whole tennis world was astonished by the fashion Federer won Wimbledon and dominated his rivals in Houston. Many journalists and analysts ranked him the best using subjective arguments.
Conclusion: Federer has an edge, be it slight or wide, in every single category... To me, Federer was a no1 starting in 2003, and at the very least a co-no1.
Your thoughts?
Jonathan