Volkl Powerbridge - new racquets/bags

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richie65

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I see a new addition to my Volkl 10 collection....

2x Tour 10 Gen II
VEngine MidPlus
VEngine Mid
DNX Mid...

and counting.
 
gonzalocatalino

gonzalocatalino

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nice paintjob! new string pattern ...

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drak

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Looks like there is a Powerbridge 8 and 4 as well. Gotta keep up with the Becker line eh?
 
mdjenders

mdjenders

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Website says: "At Völkl, 10 stands for ultimate and absolute tournament-level performance!"

First thing that popped into my head was "but the becker goes to 11"
 
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NoBadMojo

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fortunecookiesjc said:
What the heck happened to this one??
http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=1&idcat=193&idart=871&m=&s=
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That's the new Power Arm

sargeinaz said:
Thats a damn good looking stick. NBMJ drop some info please if you can.
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I dont have complete info yet. I usually get the new stuff a month or two before it hits the States. I believe this will be a really nice hit. I think it comes from the Gen1 tool like the dnx10MP. I like that they tweaked the stringbed and came up w. a 16x20....that may likely take care of the loosey goosey feeling of the Gen1, and the Powerbridge and less dense stringbed, will likely improve the ball feel and boost the low power level of the dnx10MP.
 
ericsson

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Strange they come out with a new line and the players under contract are gone or play without stencils...Mojo do you have more info about that part?
 
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NoBadMojo

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ericsson said:
Strange they come out with a new line and the players under contract are gone or play without stencils...Mojo do you have more info about that part?
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I dont have any specific info other to say that Boris Becker and others at Volkl/Becker think they would rather put their money into the product and the bottom line instead of buying lots of pros to play their gear. They realize that a small company doesnt have a bunch of money to throw around to buy pros and know that there are only a small handful of pros who seriously affect racquet sales. Other companies have much bigger wallets to buy pros with.
 
ericsson

ericsson

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update

There will be a light version of the 10 serie too:

Head Size: 630 cm2 | 98 in2
Cross section: 19 mm
Length: 68,5 cm | 27 in
Weight: 325 g | 11.5 oz
Balance: 31 cm | 1.3 inches HL
String Pattern: 18 x 20 PCP


630 cm2 | 98 in2
19 mm
68,5 cm | 27 in
295 g | 10.4 oz
32 cm | 0.9 inches HL
18 x 20 PCP
 
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Automatix

Automatix

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NoBadMojo said:
I dont have any specific info other to say that Boris Becker and others at Volkl/Becker think they would rather put their money into the product and the bottom line instead of buying lots of pros to play their gear. They realize that a small company doesnt have a bunch of money to throw around to buy pros and know that there are only a small handful of pros who seriously affect racquet sales. Other companies have much bigger wallets to buy pros with.
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I don't know about the "putting money into the product" part but buying players isn't really going to drive the sales through the roof unless it's a grand slam winner with character. For example I don't think Tecnifibre will sell more frames because Baghdatis promotes them. Ohh yeah he has charisma but he just doesn't win much.

Personalities already have good contracts:
Federer & Djokovic - Wilson
Rafael Nadal - Babolat
Ivanovic - Yonex
Sharapova - Prince

Some frames just sell because of their heritage e.g. Head Prestige but if let's say the MG Prestige Mid had a more charismatic user it would do it good but even without amazing players endorsing this frame it will sell good. Of course some will say that Safin still plays blah blah blah... but he hasn't come up with spectacular results.

A player can have good results and still there won't be a decent rise in sales.

Example for my country... Agnieszka Radwańska is currently the most known player from Poland (the second highest ranked WTA player using Babolat) although we have a good doubles team (Matkowski & Fyrstenberg), a good junior player (Jerzy Janowicz, who lost in the final of the French Open). And guess what? Yeah Babolat is popular here but not because of these players but personalities like Nadal. The best selling racquets are the PD and APD, no one even looks at the Drive Z Tour Radwańska's playing with.

To sum up! All I wanted to say is that a good frame will always find a buyer no matter who plays with it. Sure known players will drive the sales but that's a game for the biggest companies only. Tecnifibre, Voelkl/BB, Gamma, Fischer, Dunlop should focus on making good quality products. In the end good recreational etc. players know that they buy a racquet because it fits their game and not because "Mr.X" is playing with it.
 
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ericsson said:
There will be a light version of the 10 serie too:

Head Size: 630 cm2 | 98 in2
Cross section: 19 mm
Length: 68,5 cm | 27 in
Weight: 325 g | 11.5 oz
Balance: 31 cm | 1.3 inches HL
String Pattern: 18 x 20 PCP


630 cm2 | 98 in2
19 mm
68,5 cm | 27 in
295 g | 10.4 oz
32 cm | 0.9 inches HL
18 x 20 PCP
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Bummer..I was hoping these would be 16 mains frames. I think it is a mistake to make the standard one with 18mains, but the proof is in the playing.

Are these available now in Belgium/Europe?
 
ericsson

ericsson

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NoBadMojo said:
Bummer..I was hoping these would be 16 mains frames. I think it is a mistake to make the standard one with 18mains, but the proof is in the playing.

Are these available now in Belgium/Europe?
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Not yet, i will go to the local sportshop and ask some info, will keep you posted...
 
Automatix

Automatix

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Hmmm... I just thought of something... while going through older threads and some racquets I often came up with a conclusion that the way to go is to make the hoop stiff so it's not dead (provides power etc.) and the bridge flexible for better feel and softness... am I wrong?
 
bagung

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ericsson said:
There will be a light version of the 10 serie too:

Head Size: 630 cm2 | 98 in2
Cross section: 19 mm
Length: 68,5 cm | 27 in
Weight: 325 g | 11.5 oz
Balance: 31 cm | 1.3 inches HL
String Pattern: 18 x 20 PCP


630 cm2 | 98 in2
19 mm
68,5 cm | 27 in
295 g | 10.4 oz
32 cm | 0.9 inches HL
18 x 20 PCP
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i was hoping it is 16x20 not 18x20...
 
Automatix

Automatix

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bagung said:
i was hoping it is 16x20 not 18x20...
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To each his own... I favor 18x20 string patterns... and there aren't that many flexible thin beam 18x20 frames out there...

I know I know... there are (just to name a few):

Babolat PS Ltd. - really weird specs... TW usually gives a bit higher swingweight result and they claim that it has a swingweight of about 305! It need's serious modifications... to achieve decent swingweight you'd have to put a lot of lead and you just can't put 20g on the 12 o'clock and another 20g to have a nice HL balance... with such weight distribution + low flex you're asking for a quick crack at the throat area.

Becker 11 - this frame is one of my favorites... but there's not much room for modification because it already has a nice swingweight but a bit too low HL balance... I really liked it with a leather grip, gave the frame much more maneuverability... but as I said there's not really much room for modification. It's a good frame to play stock or in my case with a leather grip to make it a bit more HL.

Dunlop Aerogel 200 - I've played my best tennis with the M-Fil 200 (heavily modified) but although the AG 200 is a good racquet I really didn't feel it was the right frame for me... there wasn't anything bad about this stick but there also wasn't anything really good, everything was ok but not spectacular etc.

Head MG Prestige MP - Weeell... you know nothing wrong with the frame, I know that 1mm beam difference isn't much but I really like 20mm or lower beam racquets. I don't like Head grip shape... funny I don't love the Voelkl grip shape either but in the end I prefer Voelkl grip shape to Heads.

Head MG Prestige Mid - Like above... this racquet is like a clone of the i.Prestige. But it's no PC 600...

Volkl DNX 10 MP - Nice racquet... I'm not crazy about the pj but it's not that bad... good feel, nice spin, only flaws are the grip shape (a Wilson/Dunlop/Yonex grip would be much better!) and this pingy sound... currently these frames are not that easy to find... not difficult but not easy either. Good for modifing, nice and medium swingweight, decent static weight... a leather grip + a little lead at 3&9 and you have a great frame.

So why not the DNX 10 MP? Because I want to compare it to the Powerbridge... if I don't like the Pb10 than at least I can try to buy the DNX 10 MPs a bit cheaper :)
 
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NoBadMojo

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Automatix said:
Hmmm... I just thought of something... while going through older threads and some racquets I often came up with a conclusion that the way to go is to make the hoop stiff so it's not dead (provides power etc.) and the bridge flexible for better feel and softness... am I wrong?
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It depends on how thoughtfully/well the racquet is designed. Think there are lots of factors. personally, i think the bridge must be the trickiest area of the frame to design properly.

I understand that some of these frames will be trickling in to the States in a week or two. I dont know when gernerally available. I should have one soon, and will report my findings.
 
Automatix

Automatix

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Well NBMJ any thoughts about this stick will be appreciated! I liked the BB11 but let's say this frame is a bit clumsy in my hands (balance thing, with leather it is much better but I'd still like a bit lower swingweight for modification reasons)... I miss the feeling of the 19mm beam on 10 series... I so wanted to try the BB11 Mid however it is not available here :(
 
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NoBadMojo

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Automatix said:
Well NBMJ any thoughts about this stick will be appreciated! I liked the BB11 but let's say this frame is a bit clumsy in my hands (balance thing, with leather it is much better but I'd still like a bit lower swingweight for modification reasons)... I miss the feeling of the 19mm beam on 10 series... I so wanted to try the BB11 Mid however it is not available here :(
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sure..i'll do it. think we're like a lot of other 'old schoolers'. come to love the feel of thin beamed frames. they feel less...well....errrr....hollow. because well...they are less hollow.

the prob is that usually thin beamed frames are demanding from the power standpoint and are often hard to swing fast enough. i'm unwilling to sacrifice performance for ball feel (i realize many other TT's arent in this camp). that's what i like about these Volkl and Becker frames..they keep them playing in a traditional sort of way, but give you the juice.

younger people may prefer the 'more hollow' feeling frames because that is all they know. nuthin wrong w. that. some of those feel good too...the v1 is an example of a very solid fine feeling frame with a wide beam...the feel just isnt for me.
 
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Automatix

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NoBadMojo said:
Sure..i'll do it. think we're like a lot of other 'old schoolers'. come to love the feel of thin beamed frames. they feel less...well....errrr....hollow. because well...they are less hollow.
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Yeah I know what you mean... every graphite frame is like an empty shell... the wider the beam the more the empty space... more or less :)

But I love the marketing gimicks some companies use... I don't know were but some guy was so manipulated by Head ads that he wrote something like:
What I love about the MG Prestige is that it isn't hollow like other racquets because it is filled with MicroGEL. Talk about influence! ;)

NoBadMojo said:
the prob is that usually thin beamed frames are demanding from the power standpoint and are often hard to swing fast enough.
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Well I play flat... obviously it's the reason for me to love 18x20 patterns and don't really have power issues...

NoBadMojo said:
...i'm unwilling to sacrifice feel for performance (i realize many other TT's arent in this camp).
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That is so true! I need to enjoy the game not just win... I did beat my friends in straight sets with a less demanding racquet with more power, less feel etc. etc. but anything I hit was... well... not as rewarding... it was like a boring, consistent, no finesse game... sure they had nothing to say, even when it came to tiebreaks but I just didn't have much joy from these wins. Now when I play mids (i.Prestige Mid, Yonex RDX 500 Mid) I may make more unforced errors etc. but when I get it right it is RIGHT! It gives me much more satisfaction. But I haven't found the grail in the Mid department yet... the RDX 500 is sooo close but still I'd like it to have 18x20 pattern. The best of the two worlds I had was the M-Fil 200 but it was really modified. I had decent consistency and good, somewhat classic feel, not as good as mids etc. but decent enough. But I moved to mids for their feel and am really happy but I rememer that the DNX 10 MP was also really nice (better than the M-Fil) when it came down to the feel. So my journey continues... I'm waiting for the Pb 10 just to make sure I didn't make a mistake... if the Pb 10 won't meet my expectations I'll probably end up with the BB11 or DNX 10 MP (when I "get to know" the Pb 10 I'll probably demo the DNX and BB11 again just to be sure). Dunlops AG 200 just isn't for me... no character... no feel like in the Muscle Weave series. Ohhh MW 200G 90 (aka 100G) that is a mid... and with a 18x20 pattern! But tough to get in decent condition.

NoBadMojo said:
younger people may prefer the 'more hollow' feeling frames because that is all they know. nuthin wrong w. that. some of those feel good too...
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Yeah I know what you mean... a bird born in a cage won't miss it's freedom because it doesn't know it.

The funny thing about Volkls is that they use HMG and they come up with good feel thanks to fiberglass etc. while Babolat uses HMG and can't make a decent feeling frame... maybe the PS Ltd. is different but it's weight distribution is sick, not for me anyway!
 
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NoBadMojo

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Automatix said:
Yeah I know what you mean... every graphite frame is like an empty shell... the wider the beam the more the empty space... more or less :)

But I love the marketing gimicks some companies use... I don't know were but some guy was so manipulated by Head ads that he wrote something like:
What I love about the MG Prestige is that it isn't hollow like other racquets because it is filled with MicroGEL. Talk about influence! ;)



Well I play flat... obviously it's the reason for me to love 18x20 patterns and don't really have power issues...



That is so true! I need to enjoy the game not just win... I did beat my friends in straight sets with a less demanding racquet with more power, less feel etc. etc. but anything I hit was... well... not as rewarding... it was like a boring, consistent, no finesse game... sure they had nothing to say, even when it came to tiebreaks but I just didn't have much joy from these wins. Now when I play mids (i.Prestige Mid, Yonex RDX 500 Mid) I may make more unforced errors etc. but when I get it right it is RIGHT! It gives me much more satisfaction. But I haven't found the grail in the Mid department yet... the RDX 500 is sooo close but still I'd like it to have 18x20 pattern. The best of the two worlds I had was the M-Fil 200 but it was really modified. I had decent consistency and good, somewhat classic feel, not as good as mids etc. but decent enough. But I moved to mids for their feel and am really happy but I rememer that the DNX 10 MP was also really nice (better than the M-Fil) when it came down to the feel. So my journey continues... I'm waiting for the Pb 10 just to make sure I didn't make a mistake... if the Pb 10 won't meet my expectations I'll probably end up with the BB11 or DNX 10 MP (when I "get to know" the Pb 10 I'll probably demo the DNX and BB11 again just to be sure). Dunlops AG 200 just isn't for me... no character... no feel like in the Muscle Weave series. Ohhh MW 200G 90 (aka 100G) that is a mid... and with a 18x20 pattern! But tough to get in decent condition.



Yeah I know what you mean... a bird born in a cage won't miss it's freedom because it doesn't know it.

The funny thing about Volkls is that they use HMG and they come up with good feel thanks to fiberglass etc. while Babolat uses HMG and can't make a decent feeling frame... maybe the PS Ltd. is different but it's weight distribution is sick, not for me anyway!
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ha!..well we must agree to disagree on the feel /performance issue. i miswrote that and edited my post. i dont find joy in losing or performing less well with a racquet that feels good ...:) and i do think it possible to find racquets which give you both the feel and performance. if i was forced to lose one of those, i would sacrifice the ball feel

as to the fiberglass in the layups, that does give the racquet a softer feel for sure. i'm not so keen on the fiberglass because it is inefficient and adds weight, isnt so strong, and sucks the power right out of a frame. none of the Becker frames have fiberglass I dont think

i think when companies were looking for alternatives because of the graphite shortage/price increases, the fiberglass was a stop gap measure..i think the strategic placement of the dnx material is the better solution. (strenghthening and stiffening the frame in strategic areas). i think some other companies took the route of tastes great/less filling.......errrr....less graphite/more filler ;)
 
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NoBadMojo said:
ha!..well we must agree to disagree on the feel /performance issue.
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Yeah! I agree that we disagree... somewhat... explanation later on... :)

NoBadMojo said:
i dont find joy in losing or performing less well with a racquet that feels good ...:)
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Well I don't think anyone likes to lose...

NoBadMojo said:
i do think it possible to find racquets which give you both the feel and performance.
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Yeah and that's the explanation... I think you should try to find something which gives you the best of two world like when it comes to string hybrids. That's why I'm considering the Pb 10, DNX 10 MP and BB11... they have nice feel not as good as some mids (that part considers the BB11, DNX 10 MP although MP had excelent feel...). I mean I love my mids, the feel of the RDX 500 Mid is just awesome but a 5 set match is a fight against my opponent and myself.

NoBadMojo said:
i would sacrifice the ball feel
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And here we disagree ;) Although I think it depends on the level you play... I play tournaments but rarely (don't have the time to keep shape etc.), when someone plays seriously than there are more factors to consider. For example... so what you can play with a 14 oz. racquet if you lose after 3-4 matches because your body can't keep up. I personally choose feel but everything has it's pros and cons.

NoBadMojo said:
i think when companies were looking for alternatives because of the graphite shortage/price increases, the fiberglass was a stop gap measure..i think the strategic placement of the dnx material is the better solution. (strenghthening and stiffening the frame in strategic areas). i think some other companies took the route of tastes great/less filling.......errrr....less graphite/more filler ;)
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Well I'm not sure what you exactly mean but stiff strategic areas are better than an entire stiff frame.
 
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schu47

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Sorry to interrupt this thread, but am trying to reach bagung, and can't find another way except to find him on one of the threads he's participating in. Bagung, I have a question on a racquet you have that you talked about a couple of years back here on TW. Can you email me at schu11@charter.net? I have an offer for you.
 
bagung

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schu47 said:
Sorry to interrupt this thread, but am trying to reach bagung, and can't find another way except to find him on one of the threads he's participating in. Bagung, I have a question on a racquet you have that you talked about a couple of years back here on TW. Can you email me at schu11@charter.net? I have an offer for you.
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email sent..
 
Automatix

Automatix

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Que? Voekl DNX 10 had a Mid version (93 sq. inch), Voelkl Tour 10 V-Engine is a mid...

I don't know what you're asking... your post is mishmash...

IF you're wondering if there's gonna be a Powerbridge 10 Mid... I'm sure there will be... Voelkl should add new models to their line up with time including a Mid version of the Pb10... it possibly will be like with the BB line first the BB11 then the Mid version.
 
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eproxy

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Automatix said:
Que? Voekl DNX 10 had a Mid version (93 sq. inch), Voelkl Tour 10 V-Engine is a mid...

I don't know what you're asking... your post is mishmash...

IF you're wondering if there's gonna be a Powerbridge 10 Mid... I'm sure there will be... Voelkl should add new models to their line up with time including a Mid version of the Pb10... it possibly will be like with the BB line first the BB11 then the Mid version.
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sorry...yup I was wondering if there would be a PB 10 mid
 
Klatu Verata Necktie

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Automatix said:
I mean I love my mids, the feel of the RDX 500 Mid is just awesome but a 5 set match is a fight against my opponent and myself.
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You play best of 5 set amateur tournaments in Poland? Amazing! How old are you? I'm 30 something, and I think my body would fall apart playing best of 5 set matches.
 
Automatix

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No no no! I settle for nothing less than best of 5 sets when I play my friends... of course amateur tournaments are best of 3 :) Except for some finals but the players can choose do they want to play best of 5 or 3. It depends on the schedule.

I'm 22 :) However from my friends the best playing guys age vary from 28-45.

The 35-45 guys are very skilled technically but you know nothing get's them more than Nadal style... so long rallies, long points and they fall apart. You just have to veryyy patient. :twisted:

The youngest good playing guy I play with is a 17yo kid, a lefty... good foot work, nice fluid strokes but he has the mental stability of a 5 year old kid... I mean he can go from 4 aces in a row to 4 double faults....

The whole point of using a mid and all is that I want to give everything I've got until my body can stand it.

Off-topic: Klatu is that Silver Fila Metalic bag still holding up? I sooo wanted to get one of those but they sold out quickly :(
 
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OzNQc

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PB10 is interesting....

gonzalocatalino said:
nice paintjob! new string pattern ...

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LOL

So the DNX didn't work at the 3 and 9 so they chucked it into the throat for the new PB10?

Geez, you would have thought that volkl would have thought of that when they were canvassing all their options ages ago!

Oh well, maybe this PB10 will be the racquet that the T10 Gen 2 players wanted -extra oomph with the same mains head size instead of that in the T10 VE MP ;)
 
Automatix

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OzNQc said:
So the DNX didn't work at the 3 and 9 so they chucked it into the throat for the new PB10?
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From Voelkl website:

"To date, the “DNX Tuning” of the rackets from Völkl Tennis has concentrated on the shaft area and the two lateral brackets on the racket head (3- and 9-o’clock positions). With POWERBRIDGE we have now also strengthened the 6-o’clock position. Integrating the yoke into the seamless main frame while still guaranteeing consistent stability is a particularly complicated task."


So I think although the pj doesn't scream that there's DNX at 3&9 o'clock it still is there...
 
Klatu Verata Necktie

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Automatix said:
Off-topic: Klatu is that Silver Fila Metalic bag still holding up? I sooo wanted to get one of those but they sold out quickly :(
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The bag is holding up very well, but I'm not using it as my main bag anymore because of the weight. It's very heavy due to the built in stand it has on it's back. If I could find a way to remove the stand, I may bring it out of retirement.

Best of 5 sets. You're a beast!
 
Automatix

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Yeah... but because of those 5 set matches I had to relieve my arm from my 380g M-Fil 200s... 3 days in a row playing these monsters and I had to take a week off...

For the time being this is my racquet:

yonexrdx500midv20zu5.jpg


But I'm currently waiting for the Powerbrigde... I need a bigger margin of error on off days while maintaining the best feel available. I have high hopes with Pb 10 (325g version).

P.S.: Sorry for the Polish text... it's from my country forum ;)
 
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OzNQc

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Yeah! I think volkl cheaped out on the paint!

Automatix said:
From Voelkl website:

"To date, the “DNX Tuning” of the rackets from Völkl Tennis has concentrated on the shaft area and the two lateral brackets on the racket head (3- and 9-o’clock positions). With POWERBRIDGE we have now also strengthened the 6-o’clock position. Integrating the yoke into the seamless main frame while still guaranteeing consistent stability is a particularly complicated task."


So I think although the pj doesn't scream that there's DNX at 3&9 o'clock it still is there...
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Good find there mate!

It looks like volkl could not spend the extra dough on the paint to show the DNX at 3- and 9- oclock! LOL Or, their artistic department had a few too many 1L steins and forgot about it LOL

By the way, the power bridge tech is not new just like the V-engine on my bats! Dunlop had some tech in their throats a while back. Hot melt tech? I could be wrong there but i do remember the throat being stiffer! And the DNX is not DNA LMAO What a crock of marketing #$%^! They should have thought of something a little bit more exciting!

Anyway, it is good to see something new on the volkl 10s! Maybe this PB10 MP will give that juice to the Gen 2 which it lacked compared to the VE10 MP!

happy hitting boyz! and girlZ!
 
Automatix

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OzNQc said:
It looks like volkl could not spend the extra dough on the paint to show the DNX at 3- and 9- oclock! LOL Or, their artistic department had a few too many 1L steins and forgot about it LOL
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I think they wanted to make the potential buyers focus on the bridge (that is the new tech) rather than on other elements which are "expired" by that I mean the users are used to it.

OzNQc said:
By the way, the power bridge tech is not new just like the V-engine on my bats! Dunlop had some tech in their throats a while back. Hot melt tech? I could be wrong there but i do remember the throat being stiffer!
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Hot Melt was a tech considering the material of the whole racquet... in short there was a special "skin" on the racquet... more or less anyway...

The technologies you're talking about (Dunlops techs that is) could be:
a) the Aerobridge system (Aerogels series)
b) Elastomer/Kevlar bridge (Hot Melt series but not Hot Melt as the technology, that's different)

OzNQc said:
And the DNX is not DNA LMAO What a crock of marketing #$%^! They should have thought of something a little bit more exciting!
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Most marketing gimicks are... but some are logical e.g. Wilsons PWS, Yonex IPS and Isometric.

One last word about Powerbridge... the Powerbridge idea (stiffer bridge, more stable etc.) is a reincarnation of the V throat which was supposed to do similiar things e.g. enhance power, stability etc.

And I find your negative attitude rather disturbing... why force stupid ideas of marketing madmen when you can incorporate some good no nonsense techs?
 
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vsbabolat said:
The Powerbridge 10 does look interesting. I hope it does not make a loud ping like the other DNX racquets I hit with.
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Pretty much all racquets ping w.o a string damp installed. That's just high frequency stringbed buzz. Also, obviously tighter tensions make the frequency of the stringbed even higher

I doubt that the Powerbridge racquets will ping since the other DNX ones dont <with a string damp installed>, save for when the sweetzone is missed, and not all of them do that anyway no matter how bad someone slaps the ball around the stringbed
 
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NoBadMojo said:
Pretty much all racquets ping w.o a string damp installed. That's just high frequency stringbed buzz. Also, obviously tighter tensions make the frequency of the stringbed even higher

I doubt that the Powerbridge racquets will ping since the other DNX ones dont, save for when the sweetzone is missed, and not all of them do that anyway no matter how bad someone slaps the ball around the stringbed
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The racquets I use don't ping!:razz: My racquets make a loud thud at contact with no buzz. I will not use a racquet that pings. In the many, many years of playing tennis I have not used dampeners.:twisted: If the racquets makes that loud ping noise at contact in the sweet spot IMHO it was not design correctly.:razz:

The DNX racquets I hit with had a metallic ping to them. I thought the DNX9 had the loudest and worst ping.
 
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OzNQc

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Auto thanks for clearing the dunlop tech stuff up but hey a spade is a spade!

Automatix said:
I think they wanted to make the potential buyers focus on the bridge (that is the new tech) rather than on other elements which are "expired" by that I mean the users are used to it.



Hot Melt was a tech considering the material of the whole racquet... in short there was a special "skin" on the racquet... more or less anyway...

The technologies you're talking about (Dunlops techs that is) could be:
a) the Aerobridge system (Aerogels series)
b) Elastomer/Kevlar bridge (Hot Melt series but not Hot Melt as the technology, that's different)



Most marketing gimicks are... but some are logical e.g. Wilsons PWS, Yonex IPS and Isometric.

One last word about Powerbridge... the Powerbridge idea (stiffer bridge, more stable etc.) is a reincarnation of the V throat which was supposed to do similiar things e.g. enhance power, stability etc.

And I find your negative attitude rather disturbing... why force stupid ideas of marketing madmen when you can incorporate some good no nonsense techs?
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Yes I agree about getting customers to focus on the Powerbridge! However, if this is the case, why is the DNX still highlighted in black above the handle just like previous models?

Good you cleared up the dunlop stuff but the kevlar/elastomer bridge is in principle still acting like the powerbridge ;)

I absolutlely agree that some technology can be beneficial but hey man, if the PB was meant to do similar things to the V-engine than why discard the VE? LOL
I would like to think here that the PB may give a power boost to the Gen 2 frame without having the longer mains as result of the VE! When my T10 VE MP bats die, the T10 PB may be the go!

By the way, I find my negative and positive attitudes quite refreshing unlike you! A spade is a spade! Now if you think DNX is DNA than I think you should go back and do some high school biology and chemistry ;) What happens if the DNX mutates?? Are you going to get 3 heads on the racket? LMAO Finally, I think you need to restructure your last sentence or look at its logic or read my post more carefully because you have essentially supported my argument!

Happy hitting mate and make sure to have a laugh as I do!
 
Automatix

Automatix

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OzNQc said:
Yes I agree about getting customers to focus on the Powerbridge! However, if this is the case, why is the DNX still highlighted in black above the handle just like previous models?
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I have only the picture from Voelkls site and don's see highlighted DNX...

OzNQc said:
Good you cleared up the dunlop stuff but the kevlar/elastomer bridge is in principle still acting like the powerbridge ;)
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Ohhh so you were thinking about the elastomer/kevlar bridge... good we figured it out.

OzNQc said:
I absolutlely agree that some technology can be beneficial but hey man, if the PB was meant to do similar things to the V-engine than why discard the VE? LOL
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Well you know it's like this... many so called new technologies are supposed to give better feel stability etc. Head had Twin Tubes than additionally Liquidmetal and now only MicroGEL... they are supposed to do the same so why change every two years to different techs? Or how many different companies introduced techs which were supposed to make the strings move more and provide power and feel Woofer, Rollers, Muscle Power, Bug Grommets etc. You know how it is... some people really go for "Innovative, new, amazing bla bla bla..." technologies. I think it's just a move to make you "experience the new" (Fallout :).

OzNQc said:
By the way, I find my negative and positive attitudes quite refreshing unlike you! A spade is a spade!
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I just find the all negative stance rather... well silly! We can't discard all possible changes until we verify it they're worth it, you know what I mean? It's new so try it... you don't like it? Go back to your old frame.

OzNQc said:
Now if you think DNX is DNA than I think you should go back and do some high school biology and chemistry ;) What happens if the DNX mutates?? Are you going to get 3 heads on the racket? LMAO Finally, I think you need to restructure your last sentence or look at its logic or read my post more carefully because you have essentially supported my argument!
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Now you are taking to seriously what the marketing guys are saying... every technology has to have a catchy way of presenting itself... how would it look if Wilson said in their comercials they basically use sand for their racquets (SiO2 bonding etc. nCode was it?). All advertised techs have to draw your attention somehow and that's the way Voelkl chose. And you are overinterpreting the Genetic Power line... there is no mention it's DNA, because as stated it's another form of Graphite.
 
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OzNQc

Rookie
Auto .... a spade is a spade! Just try the PB 10!

Check out the section above the handle on all DNX racquets = different colour and shape = DNX added there from memory! I could be wrong but hey that's how i remembered it!

The Elastomer/kevlar bridge thing is something you clarified! Nonetheless, your posts make me wonder if you understood my point! Old 'technologies' but perhaps the better word is 'principles' come back a a la elastomer/kevlar bridge, PWS and V-engine. By the way, V-engine looks like it has come back twice from memory!!!! And in this case, why bring it back if it had already been the newest tech??? In this case as for other racquet companies, it is to try and make a good racquet AND most importantly to drive SALES to create PROFIT which is the bottomline = changes in racquets every 2 years or whenever the company chooses!!!
We need this turnover as one means to keep us enthusiasts interested in the sport just like formuala 1 or your everyday cars as you and others already know!

A spade is a spade with the racquet tech-> "principles" and it is not a negative comment! It is a considered mature response that I would have expected you to understand too since you play so much tennis! Anyway, the most important variable here is the feel in your hand! And personally, why bother changing something when it is not broken! However, like all other things racquets have a finite life! In this respect, I am all FOR trying out new racquets whatever technology when the time comes! It is the feel in the hand that counts!

As to the marketing remark, I do take it seriously as to what the marketers say because I will be paying for their supposed performance enhancing claims! LOL Would you buy a BMW M3 that is marketed to have a supercharger to improve performace but in the end it really did not improve performance?? Actually, i would like to see a wilson commercial like you have outlined because alot of people probably don't know where the silicone dioxide comes from LMAO In fact, if they made an advertisement like that and it was funny, it would drive sales in that range even more because people would take even more notice! And Genetic Powerline is a form of graphite???? Keyword is GENETIC there! GENETIC means GENE origins = DNA!!!!!! Maybe Volkl should have put some of Jiri Novak's and Radek Stepanek's DNA in there LMAO Geez, why don't we chuck in BOOM BOOM Becker's DNA in there too just for good measure! He owns half the company! WORDS are IMPORTANT!

Mate..... just try the PB 10 and tell us about it! Pure and simple! Maybe you'll come up with your PB (personal best!)

I am off to play some tennis tomorrow with my tried and trusted T10 VE MPs so...

Cheers to you and everyone!

Happy hitting!
 
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NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
It's nice to see them putting energies and technology into both the Volkl and Becker lines <as I said they would do all along>.

It is also nice to see that every Volkl or Becker thread isnt greeted with the usual trolling by the usual trolls.
 
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