Brad Baughman

BradBaughman · Mar 18, 2009

SoCalDominates said:
brad you were the one complaining bout hear say. this is classic hear say. "deit said the he said this" lets not have a double standard hear say either works or not.

im relaying a question its not hear say im dictating a question strait from his mouth ,do you get that? secretary's do this all the time at that point its not hear-say just a question from the source

SoCalDominates · Mar 18, 2009

BradBaughman said:
Hey So CAL heres a small look at the Profile being done on Deit ill let you know when its going to aire,,, i think when you get called by the top tennis people and they want to document you there must be something more then a kid who just strokes the ball ,Maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCpf0-GkuT0

very interesting. id love to see more then 38 seconds. where is said documentary going to be shown? what is the specific topic of it

BradBaughman · Mar 18, 2009

SoCalDominates said:
very interesting. id love to see more then 38 seconds. where is said documentary going to be shown? what is the specific topic of it

be completely honest its about Deiton and im not sure i got stage fright but i did allright but their filming everything about him from the time he wakes up till bed . it has to do with the level hes at and has done this with limited coaching but when the finish product happens ill let you know ,, he was suppose to have a hitting session with Double AA but i dont know whats going on with all of this and whea=ther that will be included!!

SoCalDominates · Mar 18, 2009

BradBaughman said:
be completely honest its about Deiton and im not sure i got stage fright but i did allright but their filming everything about him from the time he wakes up till bed . it has to do with the level hes at and has done this with limited coaching but when the finish product happens ill let you know ,, he was suppose to have a hitting session with Double AA but i dont know whats going on with all of this and whea=ther that will be included!!

what or who is Double AA? this is very cool. it is good to see tht people are recognizing the work tht deit has put. so if im not mistaken it's like a day in the life of a tennis prodigy?

BradBaughman · Mar 18, 2009

SoCalDominates said:
what or who is Double AA? this is very cool. it is good to see tht people are recognizing the work tht deit has put. so if im not mistaken it's like a day in the life of a tennis prodigy?

Mr. Andre the bald one,, its weird i come home and they have this place packed with lighting, camera, microphones the place was 90 dergrees were about the thread now, wow,lol

SoCalDominates · Mar 18, 2009

BradBaughman said:
Mr. Andre the bald one,, its weird i come home and they have this place packed with lighting, camera, microphones the place was 90 dergrees were about the thread now, wow,lol

haha yes i shoulda known AA was none other then Andre Agassi. That would be a great oppurtunity for deit. i got to hit with Ivan Lendl last summer for a commercial. i was nervous haha Lendl hadn't played in almost a year but he still schooled me. it just comes naturally to those guys. its like riding a bike they never forget how to win

BradBaughman · Mar 18, 2009

SoCalDominates said:
what or who is Double AA? this is very cool. it is good to see tht people are recognizing the work tht deit has put. so if im not mistaken it's like a day in the life of a tennis prodigy?

i kinda like the argument about deit hes 12 107 lbs hes seeded ""5"" and loses to a "guy thats 16" about 160 -170 goes to and "academy" was seeded ""17"",, lets look at this pic for a second and deit had a bad day and lost 64 76 but anyways he's gonna work his way into the mix "16's"and will polish him as we go!!

SoCalDominates · Mar 18, 2009

SoCal10s said:
looking at your draw for this weekend,you have a good chance in getting to the finals... your first round match is tough, and I don't really know how good Mika is now since he's been away for so long on injury leave... GL anyways..

Thanks. but im gunna focus on first round. travis will not be easy and i've been playing horrible this whole week so we'll see. Mike will still be tough. pretty much anybody at this point will not be easy but if i'm playing well who knows well just see how it goes.

BradBaughman · Mar 18, 2009

KC were you going to college again??

kctennis1005 · Mar 18, 2009

BradBaughman said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q53QkHKGbg hey KC and Tenniscrazed this is deiton hitting with a pretty good player the guy is top 5 in the nation boys 16's and i may be bias or rose colored glasses but deit doesn't seem to be having much of a problem with the power this guys releasing and his serve is alot bigger then yours. On the side is the new coach working with the kid

thats clay thompson and i dont think his serve is bigger than mine but whatever....the way i see deiton playing if he goes pro is like andy murray.....but ya clay hits a decently big ball but its definitely not huge

TennisCoachFLA · Mar 18, 2009

BradBaughman said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q53QkHKGbg hey KC and Tenniscrazed this is deiton hitting with a pretty good player the guy is top 5 in the nation boys 16's and i may be bias or rose colored glasses but deit doesn't seem to be having much of a problem with the power this guys releasing and his serve is alot bigger then yours. On the side is the new coach working with the kid

Brad, buddy, pal.....you seem to like honest talk and I mean no offense, but that video shows a decent 12 year old, but nothing special. Solid strokes, not much pop on his shots, plodding footwork, hitting off balance half the time, and pretty much the skinniest almost 13 year old I have ever seen. In fact it does not appear he has much muscle fiber there to even develop down the road. Shawn Bradley lifted weights like a demon when he was with the Sixers....the muscle fibers just are not there in some guys.

If you are talking about a plan to try and get him into a mid level college program, go for it. But if you are really thinking he is going to be a top 50 player, one that actually makes money from tennis after expenses....well then my friend I think you are totally delusional. That is not dreaming, that is pure fantasy.

That was the first time I really watched one of your videos, although I did get feedback from 2 coaches who watched him at the Herr....same basic report as the one tenniscrazed gave.

Brad, I think you need to really chill on the grand projections, at almost 13 years old you can tell enough to see that he is not a world class player by any stretch of the imagination.

BradBaughman · Mar 18, 2009

TennisCoachFLA said:
Brad, buddy, pal.....you seem to like honest talk and I mean no offense, but that video shows a decent 12 year old, but nothing special. Solid strokes, not much pop on his shots, plodding footwork, hitting off balance half the time, and pretty much the skinniest almost 13 year old I have ever seen. In fact it does not appear he has much muscle fiber there to even develop down the road. Shawn Bradley lifted weights like a demon when he was with the Sixers....the muscle fibers just are not there in some guys.

If you are talking about a plan to try and get him into a mid level college program, go for it. But if you are really thinking he is going to be a top 50 player, one that actually makes money from tennis after expenses....well then my friend I think you are totally delusional. That is not dreaming, that is pure fantasy.

That was the first time I really watched one of your videos, although I did get feedback from 2 coaches who watched him at the Herr....same basic report as the one tenniscrazed gave.

Brad, I think you need to really chill on the grand projections, at almost 13 years old you can tell enough to see that he is not a world class player by any stretch of the imagination.

i like your honesty no offence taken "

TennisCoachFLA said:
Solid strokes, "not much pop" on his shots, Did you see the 1st backhand he hit "NO POP " what kind of glasses do you wear?? And they were just grooving a heavy ball down the middle ,not looking the crack it! I really question your coaching abilities as others on here have.And about your buddy RM he was telling a friend of mine his 9yr old was the next no.1

SoCal10s · Mar 18, 2009

did I mention Clay?

well looky here,it's Clay,didn't I just mention him? ,Deit sure gets around..too bad I had to see that VDO,so I guess Deit better get to be 6'5'' plus and develop a serve like Isner or Clay or Querry because he ain't gonna do it with his groundstrokes but then again ,it's too early to say... he still has many years ahead of him to gain top form,but from this VDO, I have to say that there's no way he will dominate So Cal 16s anytime soon,he may have 1 or 2 good wins but nothing that will make him top 10... I'll go on the limb and say ,he's a good year away... keep up the good work...

TennisCoachFLA · Mar 19, 2009

BradBaughman said:
i like your honesty no offence taken "

TennisCoachFLA said:

Solid strokes, "not much pop" on his shots, Did you see the 1st backhand he hit "NO POP " what kind of glasses do you wear?? And they were just grooving a heavy ball down the middle ,not looking the crack it! I really question your coaching abilities as others on here have.And about your buddy RM he was telling a friend of mine his 9yr old was the next no.1

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Oh I hear that Brad. I have about 15 tennis parents who tell us their kid will be number one and they believe it with every fiber in their body.

I see your boy's body type, balance, strokes and shots, footwork, and general athetic ability....and I combine that with 2 coaches with good track record who have seen him in person. And an educated guess is made.

I see your boy somewhere between a small college player as the worst case and a mid level DI program as the best case. The later would be if he continues to develope his game to the best of his potential.

You see things through the foggiest of glasses, those of a tennis dad. You look at a video of Boluda and comment on his height and build, then post a video of your boy. In your mind your boy and Boluda should be discussed in the same sentence....or worse, you may even think your boy is the better prospect because he is taller.

A 1000 tennis pros would look at Boluda at 14 and your boy at almost 13 and 1000 of them would rank Boluda in an entirely different world than your boy.

Seriously, if you can't see that Boluda is 500 times the player your kid will be in a year....or 2 years...or 5 years.... than you are truly not thinking rationally. Same with Tomic. At 12-13 he was also on another planet tennis wise than your lad. And he will still be on another planet in 3 years and in 10 years. There will never be a day on earth where your kid can compete with Boluda or Tomic at any age....those are just the cold realities of tennis talent.

And the other reality is that even if Boluda grows to 6'1, even with all his amazing talent....his chances of making money as a top 50 tennis player are still rather small. Same with Tomic. They still would need good health, good luck, and the intangibles that make up a money making pro.

But at least a scout could say Boluda and Tomic have a chance, their dreams have at least a dose of reality to them.

Tennis_Bum · Mar 19, 2009

TennisCoachFLA said:
BradBaughman said:

i like your honesty no offence taken "

Oh I hear that Brad. I have about 15 tennis parents who tell us their kid will be number one and they believe it with every fiber in their body.

I see your boy's body type, balance, strokes and shots, footwork, and general athetic ability....and I combine that with 2 coaches with good track record who have seen him in person. And an educated guess is made.

I see your boy somewhere between a small college player as the worst case and a mid level DI program as the best case. The later would be if he continues to develope his game to the best of his potential.

You see things through the foggiest of glasses, those of a tennis dad. You look at a video of Boluda and comment on his height and build, then post a video of your boy. In your mind your boy and Boluda should be discussed in the same sentence....or worse, you may even think your boy is the better prospect because he is taller.

A 1000 tennis pros would look at Boluda at 14 and your boy at almost 13 and 1000 of them would rank Boluda in an entirely different world than your boy.

Seriously, if you can't see that Boluda is 500 times the player your kid will be in a year....or 2 years...or 5 years.... than you are truly not thinking rationally. Same with Tomic. At 12-13 he was also on another planet tennis wise than your lad. And he will still be on another planet in 3 years and in 10 years. There will never be a day on earth where your kid can compete with Boluda or Tomic at any age....those are just the cold realities of tennis talent.

And the other reality is that even if Boluda grows to 6'1, even with all his amazing talent....his chances of making money as a top 50 tennis player are still rather small. Same with Tomic. They still would need good health, good luck, and the intangibles that make up a money making pro.

But at least a scout could say Boluda and Tomic have a chance, their dreams have at least a dose of reality to them.

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As hard as it is for me as a parent to read your comments, but if I ever want some honest criticisms on my son's game I'll come to you for sure. I like the way you critically look at things. I am not talking about Deiton here. I'll let reality takes it course. I am just saying as a coach you don't make a lot of parents happy but as a person you are quite honest and obviously have are not there to rip people off. I know some and have heard horror stories about parents getting ripped off from scumbag coaches who will say anything so that the checks keep coming so they can subsidize their living expenses.

But most parents don't look at things in tennis the way you do, simply because they also put in a lot of work and investment into it, so their visions get foggy. But that's just my opinion but that is what I think I see anyway. I don't know for sure but I can only write what I think I see.

SoCal10s · Mar 19, 2009

TennisCoachFLA said:
BradBaughman said:

i like your honesty no offence taken "

Oh I hear that Brad. I have about 15 tennis parents who tell us their kid will be number one and they believe it with every fiber in their body.

And the other reality is that even if Boluda grows to 6'1, even with all his amazing talent....his chances of making money as a top 50 tennis player are still rather small. Same with Tomic. They still would need good health, good luck, and the intangibles that make up a money making pro.

But at least a scout could say Boluda and Tomic have a chance, their dreams have at least a dose of reality to them.

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I .too am thankful for what I just read...by TennisCoachFLA.. he made me realize that sometimes being honest can be hurtful,and as we all get older I want NOT to be hurtful towards people who I care about... reading the comments I feel at times it's truthful and other times are just mean spirited ..sometime ago ,I promised myself to not ever crush any persons dreams no matter how far fetch they may appear to me to be.. because good things happens to those who chase their dreams,they find other detours on the road that takes them to other kinds of success,but having that singular focus builds character ...

tenniscrazed · Mar 19, 2009

TCF;

That is why I linked the vids of Boluda, in hopes that someone with no interest either way can put the two up on their monitors and say yes the two compare, or no way, not a chance. I've done it, and the two don't compare by at least a multiple of 1,000.

And for this I get the priviledge of being called a "foreigner A%.% kisser"

BradBaughman · Mar 19, 2009

TCF ""A 1000 tennis pros would look at Boluda at 14 and your boy at almost 13 and 1000 of them would rank Boluda in an entirely different world than your boy"". When you do scouting of a fighter or a football baseball players you would do and injustest, do a tale of the tape Boluda 15yrs old about 145 -155 lbs 5'6 - 5'7 parents not sure! Deiton 12 yrs. 5'9 107 -110lbs family members everyone averages 6'2,, grandpa 6'4 uncles 6'3 6'3 6'4 me 5'10 my bro 6'0 my dad 6'1,,,,, take Fed 6'1 175 JOk 6'2 180 these guys are tall and lankey not bulging with muscle ,,so all your fiber i use that to clear the pipes lol

BradBaughman · Mar 19, 2009

tenniscrazed said:
TCF;

That is why I linked the vids of Boluda, in hopes that someone with no interest either way can put the two up on their monitors and say yes the two compare, or no way, not a chance. I've done it, and the two don't compare by at least a multiple of 1,000.

And for this I get the priviledge of being called a "foreigner A%.% kisser"

you are you love kissing away to them but thats your choice we dont do that anyways boluda looks good for a guy 3 inches shorter then my son!!

SoCal10s · Mar 19, 2009

BradBaughman said:
TCF ""A 1000 tennis pros would look at Boluda at 14 and your boy at almost 13 and 1000 of them would rank Boluda in an entirely different world than your boy"". When you do scouting of a fighter or a football baseball players you would do and injustest, do a tale of the tape Boluda 15yrs old about 145 -155 lbs 5'6 - 5'7 parents not sure! Deiton 12 yrs. 5'9 107 -110lbs family members everyone averages 6'2,, grandpa 6'4 uncles 6'3 6'3 6'4 me 5'10 my bro 6'0 my dad 6'1,,,,, take Fed 6'1 175 JOk 6'2 180 these guys are tall and lankey not bulging with muscle ,,so all your fiber i use that to clear the pipes lol

point well taken,Brad.. a friend ,just came back from Indian Wells and the first thing he said was how he was stunned by the actual size of the tennis players.. he has kids playing SoCal Jr tournaments but this was the first time he has seen the pros, live and close up... he says that all the pros he saw are all over 6ft tall.. even Nadal with all his bulging muscles is tall... even the girls are tall,he noted that Safina is hugh, tall and thick ..
people can say all they want about not having size,but to me,having size surely helps on court coverage,this is the aspect where inexperience players don't really seems to get...

slicekick95 · Mar 19, 2009

BradBaughman said:
TCF ""A 1000 tennis pros would look at Boluda at 14 and your boy at almost 13 and 1000 of them would rank Boluda in an entirely different world than your boy"". When you do scouting of a fighter or a football baseball players you would do and injustest, do a tale of the tape Boluda 15yrs old about 145 -155 lbs 5'6 - 5'7 parents not sure! Deiton 12 yrs. 5'9 107 -110lbs family members everyone averages 6'2,, grandpa 6'4 uncles 6'3 6'3 6'4 me 5'10 my bro 6'0 my dad 6'1,,,,, take Fed 6'1 175 JOk 6'2 180 these guys are tall and lankey not bulging with muscle ,,so all your fiber i use that to clear the pipes lol

so you are basically going to ignore the point that deiton just isnt as good as other juniors, and youre comparing him to fed and djokovic just because of his possible height

height isnt everything, you need game too.

tenniscrazed · Mar 19, 2009

slicekick95 said:
so you are basically going to ignore the point that deiton just isnt as good as other juniors, and youre comparing him to fed and djokovic just because of his possible height height isnt everything, you need game too.

Slice... I've tried. His glasses are so fogged up. It appears to be a futile effort. My only hopes is that others will put up a youtube of Deiton and Boluda in two seperate windows and make the judgement for themselves. Clearly a couple of us already have and as you put it he just chooses to ignore even his own videos

SoCal10s · Mar 19, 2009

slicekick95 said:
so you are basically going to ignore the point that deiton just isnt as good as other juniors, and youre comparing him to fed and djokovic just because of his possible height height isnt everything, you need game too.

you guys are all missing the point here.. Deit is #1 in the SoCal 12 and under rankings... I would say that he is deserving of that and he IS the best in So Cal at his age.. but to compare him with older kids is like comparing apples to oranges ,it's not a fair comparison ... Brad is merely hyping his kid as Richard Williams did,as Earl Woods did,and as many fanatic dads do.. this doesn't mean his kid is or is not going to make it.. I am sure when Richard and Earl did what they felt in their heart,people all said that they were crazy and dis them as such.. so look what happened.. no one knows what the future brings.. if we all did,I'm sure we would not be wasting time writing on these stupid blogs...

BradBaughman · Mar 19, 2009

SoCal10s said:
point well taken,Brad.. a friend ,just came back from Indian Wells and the first thing he said was how he was stunned by the actual size of the tennis players.. he has kids playing SoCal Jr tournaments but this was the first time he has seen the pros, live and close up... he says that all the pros he saw are all over 6ft tall.. even Nadal with all his bulging muscles is tall... even the girls are tall,he noted that Safina is hugh, tall and thick ..
people can say all they want about not having size,but to me,having size surely helps on court coverage,this is the aspect where inexperience players don't really seems to get...

Deiton told me he was in shock at Nadals size he said he was tall but not as big as he thought (arms) but cut ,, these guys have no idea of what it takes to get to the top we do and were shooting for it yes it is a tough road but so is my kid ,,,,A questuion for TCF and Tenniscrazed when is this economy gonna turn around you guys have the crystal balls BTW im pretty good friend with Peter Smith and was around during the time when he was trying to sign this kid named Querry any thought on why he didnt go to college thats what everyone was telling him!!!

SoCal10s · Mar 19, 2009

tenniscrazed said:
Slice... I've tried. His glasses are so fogged up. It appears to be a futile effort. My only hopes is that others will put up a youtube of Deiton and Boluda in two seperate windows and make the judgement for themselves. Clearly a couple of us already have and as you put it he just chooses to ignore even his own videos [/QUOT

thanks for your efforts ,I saw those two VDO and watching them,I said to both of them : so what? I wasn't impressed with either one ...Boluda is good and Deit is a present time not hitting as big as Boluda .. it doesn't matter to me because everybody is different,a lot of tall big serving players are have somewhat a successful pro career and if Deit develops a hugh serving style of play,I'm sure he will be equally successful .. that is what make tennis an intriguing sport,you can always play to your opponent's weaknesses and command the game to your strengths and do well enough to win..

tenniscrazed · Mar 19, 2009

BradBaughman said:
A questuion for TCF and Tenniscrazed when is this economy gonna turn around you guys have the crystal balls

Well since we are now on a more realistic topic. My "crystal ball" says keep your eye on the dollar. If it tanks there maybe nothing to stop the economy from a complete meltdown. If it holds up then we have a chance of recovery by late Q3 or Q4.

Best wishes to all.

TennisCoachFLA · Mar 19, 2009

SoCal10s said:
you guys are all missing the point here.. Deit is #1 in the SoCal 12 and under rankings... I would say that he is deserving of that and he IS the best in So Cal at his age.. but to compare him with older kids is like comparing apples to oranges ,it's not a fair comparison ... Brad is merely hyping his kid as Richard Williams did,as Earl Woods did,and as many fanatic dads do.. this doesn't mean his kid is or is not going to make it.. I am sure when Richard and Earl did what they felt in their heart,people all said that they were crazy and dis them as such.. so look what happened.. no one knows what the future brings.. if we all did,I'm sure we would not be wasting time writing on these stupid blogs...

By 12 the Williams sisters were 93-4 in juniors and anyone could see their talent. Serena would bang against world class kids like Roddick and hold her own. Tiger was off the charts, I mean give us a break. Their fathers had grounds to tout.

Brad's boy got skunked by a 10 year old and it is obvious that he is simply much taller and has way more coaching than other 12s in his section.

This is a silly, there is absolutely nothing about Brad's boy that jumps out as having unusual potential at all.

And if you watched Boluda and "were not impressed" than you really are being ridiculous.

tenniscrazed · Mar 19, 2009

TennisCoachFLA said:
By 12 the Williams sisters were 93-4 in juniors and anyone could see their talent. Serena would bang against world class kids like Roddick and hold her own. Tiger was off the charts, I mean give us a break. Their fathers had grounds to tout.

Brad's boy got skunked by a 10 year old and it is obvious that he is simply much taller and has way more coaching than other 12s in his section.

This is a silly, there is absolutely nothing about Brad's boy that jumps out as having unusual potential at all.

And if you watched Boluda and "were not impressed" than you really are being ridiculous.

Well if Boluda didn't impress them then this 16 year old has no future (or does he). Do ya see any future in Boluda or this kid? Do you see any similarity in the planet they're playing on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pePI...8D3B60E0&index=41&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

Tom C · Mar 19, 2009

Boluda is impressive but it still doesn't mean much. Now Rafa at 16 was impressive. Btw, did you guys see Rafa at 12 yrs. old and 13 yrs. old on youtube? What did you think? Would you have said he would be a grand slam champion?

kctennis1005 · Mar 19, 2009

BradBaughman said:
KC were you going to college again??

dartmouth.....

kctennis1005 · Mar 19, 2009

Tom C said:
Boluda is impressive but it still doesn't mean much. Now Rafa at 16 was impressive. Btw, did you guys see Rafa at 12 yrs. old and 13 yrs. old on youtube? What did you think? Would you have said he would be a grand slam champion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VROyPdYflI4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP5hzYkbU0s

these are vids of rafa at 12 and 13....personally i think deiton looks just as good or better than rafa when he was 12/13....u never know how a body is going to physicall develop....if deit fills out and gets buff like rafa then he can play a big game and develop some weapons and become a top pro....u cant tell at this age

tenniscp · Mar 19, 2009

TennisCoachFLA said:
By 12 the Williams sisters were 93-4 in juniors and anyone could see their talent. Serena would bang against world class kids like Roddick and hold her own. Tiger was off the charts, I mean give us a break. Their fathers had grounds to tout.

Brad's boy got skunked by a 10 year old and it is obvious that he is simply much taller and has way more coaching than other 12s in his section.

This is a silly, there is absolutely nothing about Brad's boy that jumps out as having unusual potential at all.

And if you watched Boluda and "were not impressed" than you really are being ridiculous.

I have seen Deiton play once and after watching the video, i can bravely state that i think we have all gone nuts, trying to persuade one delusional father that his kid is not as good as he thinks or even good enough for an advanced 13 year old (maybe i should post this after april 14, so Brad does not insist on him being 12). I am not going to compare Deiton to Boluda or any good 15-16 year old US player, that would not be fair to Boluda and the other kids.

I will say this, Deiton's balance on the shots is questionable, so is his floppy footwork, lack of racquet head speed and etc. And this is when Clay is just hitting routine rally shots. Take for example top 13-14 year olds in the country and compare them to Deiton and you will see a clear picture. Take Macky McDonald, Jack Murray, Nikko Madregallejo, Luca Corinteli, even Di Giulio have way more pop and balance and racquet speed than Deiton.

We all fell victim to Brad's master plan, which is to have people talk about and discutate and pontificate on the topic of his son's tennis talent. Bottom line is, he does not care whether you are honest with him about his son or not, whether you think his son is talented or not, whether his son will make it as a pro or not. All Brad wants is the mention of his son and getting his name out there, which he has done rather successfully, for all of us on this thread spent more than 7 pages and a bit of our down time discussing and deliberating a pointless argument.

Brad has the single-mindedness and simplicity of a prize fighter, which he applies to almost every aspect of life, it seems. He is not stupid, he knows his son is not as good and talented as he says. However, Brad figures, if enough people will hear the name and talk about Deiton, he may get the attention that he would normally not get. Simple, you say, but true.

So we can all crap on Brad's parade and stop discussing Deiton on numerous threads, or for lack of better way of spending our free time do what I just did: devote 4-5 minutes of my time to write long ass passages.

tenniscrazed · Mar 19, 2009

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tenniscp said:
I have seen Deiton play once and after watching the video, i can bravely state that i think we have all gone nuts, trying to persuade one delusional father that his kid is not as good as he thinks or even good enough for an advanced 13 year old (maybe i should post this after april 14, so Brad does not insist on him being 12). I am not going to compare Deiton to Boluda or any good 15-16 year old US player, that would not be fair to Boluda and the other kids.

I will say this, Deiton's balance on the shots is questionable, so is his floppy footwork, lack of racquet head speed and etc. And this is when Clay is just hitting routine rally shots. Take for example top 13-14 year olds in the country and compare them to Deiton and you will see a clear picture. Take Macky McDonald, Jack Murray, Nikko Madregallejo, Luca Corinteli, even Di Giulio have way more pop and balance and racquet speed than Deiton.

We all fell victim to Brad's master plan, which is to have people talk about and discutate and pontificate on the topic of his son's tennis talent. Bottom line is, he does not care whether you are honest with him about his son or not, whether you think his son is talented or not, whether his son will make it as a pro or not. All Brad wants is the mention of his son and getting his name out there, which he has done rather successfully, for all of us on this thread spent more than 7 pages and a bit of our down time discussing and deliberating a pointless argument.

Brad has the single-mindedness and simplicity of a prize fighter, which he applies to almost every aspect of life, it seems. He is not stupid, he knows his son is not as good and talented as he says. However, Brad figures, if enough people will hear the name and talk about Deiton, he may get the attention that he would normally not get. Simple, you say, but true.

So we can all crap on Brad's parade and stop discussing Deiton on numerous threads, or for lack of better way of spending our free time do what I just did: devote 4-5 minutes of my time to write long ass passages.

I'm going to heed your advise and find something better to do. I will be the first to be on the official "BOYCOTT BRAD" list. How do I give you a standing ovation?

SoCal10s · Mar 19, 2009

TennisCoachFLA said:
By 12 the Williams sisters were 93-4 in juniors and anyone could see their talent. Serena would bang against world class kids like Roddick and hold her own. Tiger was off the charts, I mean give us a break. Their fathers had grounds to tout.

Brad's boy got skunked by a 10 year old and it is obvious that he is simply much taller and has way more coaching than other 12s in his section.

This is a silly, there is absolutely nothing about Brad's boy that jumps out as having unusual potential at all.

And if you watched Boluda and "were not impressed" than you really are being ridiculous.

I was not impressed by Boluda because of his size,he's 14 or 15 and not that tall and just looks like he trains about 6 hours daily to be that good.. his legs are already taped up,meaning he may not last long.. I've seen too many like him to get all excited,sure he has promise but so does a lot of other kids

Tom C said:
Boluda is impressive but it still doesn't mean much. Now Rafa at 16 was impressive. Btw, did you guys see Rafa at 12 yrs. old and 13 yrs. old on youtube? What did you think? Would you have said he would be a grand slam champion?

exactly what I'm trying to say... seeing Rafa at that age,no one in his right mind(except for uncle tony)would ever say he's gonna be a world beater...

Tom C · Mar 20, 2009

SoCal10's said, "exactly what I'm trying to say... seeing Rafa at that age,no one in his right mind(except for uncle tony)would ever say he's gonna be a world beater..." The $64,000 question, "Is Brad Baughman the next Uncle Toni?" We can't predict with 100% certainty, too many factors, so let's wait and see.

TennisCoachFLA · Mar 20, 2009

Goodness people, get a grip. Boluda has actually hit vs world class teens and pros. Nadal has watched him personally and brags on him.

Nadal as a kid was a freak athete. Major soccer scouts were drooling over him. Many thought he would be the next soccer great from his island. Uncle Toni kept pushing him to tennis. The videos you see are of a young boy not yet really that into tennis. And he did not have expert coaching, Uncle Toni was also learning how to coach. Once he concentrated on tennis at 16 he took off. But the freaky athlete was there at 8-10-12. Always.

Brad's boy has nothing but mediocre athletic skills . He is tall and has hit tons of balls. And now he is a solid prospect for a small college.

Pro tennis players don't one day magically appear. You can't predict which athletic kids will make it, there are lots of factors. But you can eliminate kids. If a boy is a mediocre athlete at 13, he will not become a great athlete. He will get bigger and stronger, but the basic athletic skills are either there or not at 13. If he has zero leg muscles at 13, those do not appear. The basic fibers and muscle tone that weight training developes are evident at 13. The pro season has lots of clay events which require elite legs, the boy has the worst legs on a 13 year old boy on earth. His mediocre athletism and poor leg structure eliminates him from even being in the conversation. That the reality of major men's tennis.

Same with tennis talent. Kids either show amazing tennis talent after 5 years of steady training, or they do not. Brad's kid has had years of steady training and you can guesstimate his basic level of talent as being small-mid college. You can easily eliminate him from any pro prospect talk. He will get stronger, but he does not have the special talent so it does not matter how tall or strong he gets.

If Brad's boy had scary tennis talent and we were waiting for him to grow, fine. Or if he was a freak athete who was just dabbling in tennis, we could be excited over the prospects. The boy simply is not any sort of talent or athete that has even a remote chance of being a money making player.

None of this would be an issue if Brad did not brag on him and dismiss everyone. Kozloz....just a pusher, Boluda....only 5'7" so why bother talking about him....the 300 ranked 16 year old who beat his kid....just having a bad day. None of us weak Americans know how to make a good tennis player. Only Brad knows what it takes. He puts the kid against mediocre older kids, the oldest trick in the tennis parents handbook. Nothing to lose at all doing that. Juniors....waste of time....ummmm.....except when my kid wins a match.

I will join the boycott Brad deal right now.....I see a lot of wacked tennis parents every day, but this guy is on another level.

kctennis1005 · Mar 20, 2009

TennisCoachFLA said:
Goodness people, get a grip. Boluda has actually hit vs world class teens and pros. Nadal has watched him personally and brags on him.

Nadal as a kid was a freak athete. Major soccer scouts were drooling over him. Many thought he would be the next soccer great from his island. Uncle Toni kept pushing him to tennis. The videos you see are of a young boy not yet really that into tennis. And he did not have expert coaching, Uncle Toni was also learning how to coach. Once he concentrated on tennis at 16 he took off. But the freaky athlete was there at 8-10-12. Always.

Brad's boy has nothing but mediocre athletic skills . He is tall and has hit tons of balls. And now he is a solid prospect for a small college.

If Brad's boy had scary tennis talent and we were waiting for him to grow, fine. Or if he was a freak athete who was just dabbling in tennis, we could be excited over the prospects. The boy simply is not any sort of talent or athete that has even a remote chance of being a money making player.

None of this would be an issue if Brad did not brag on him and dismiss everyone. Kozloz....just a pusher, Boluda....only 5'7" so why bother talking about him....the 300 ranked 16 year old who beat his kid....just having a bad day. None of us weak Americans know how to make a good tennis player. Only Brad knows what it takes. He puts the kid against mediocre older kids, the oldest trick in the tennis parents handbook. Nothing to lose at all doing that. Juniors....waste of time....ummmm.....except when my kid wins a match.

I will join the boycott Brad deal right now.....I see a lot of wacked tennis parents every day, but this guy is on another level.

i dont know how u can say that someone who is number one in their age division and got to the quarters of eddie herr like deiton is only a prospect for a small d1 college....if he doesnt go pro, yet keeps working hard, hell def go to a top d1 college

tennismom2 · Mar 20, 2009

tenniscrazed said:
I'm going to heed your advise and find something better to do. I will be the first to be on the official "BOYCOTT BRAD" list. How do I give you a standing ovation?

Always a critic, Psychic, prophet, never anything with substance to say, puts kids down, reels on their character and thinks you need to be the one to have authority to out Brad in his place. We're "suppose" to be "adults" but you act like an eight year old who doesn't get his way...Let dads bragg about their kids, at least they care enough to be completely involved with their kids.

TennisCoachFLA said:
Goodness people, get a grip. Boluda has actually hit vs world class teens and pros. Nadal has watched him personally and brags on him.

Nadal as a kid was a freak athete. Major soccer scouts were drooling over him. Many thought he would be the next soccer great from his island. Uncle Toni kept pushing him to tennis. The videos you see are of a young boy not yet really that into tennis. And he did not have expert coaching, Uncle Toni was also learning how to coach. Once he concentrated on tennis at 16 he took off. But the freaky athlete was there at 8-10-12. Always.

Brad's boy has nothing but mediocre athletic skills . He is tall and has hit tons of balls. And now he is a solid prospect for a small college.

If Brad's boy had scary tennis talent and we were waiting for him to grow, fine. Or if he was a freak athete who was just dabbling in tennis, we could be excited over the prospects. The boy simply is not any sort of talent or athete that has even a remote chance of being a money making player.

None of this would be an issue if Brad did not brag on him and dismiss everyone. Kozloz....just a pusher, Boluda....only 5'7" so why bother talking about him....the 300 ranked 16 year old who beat his kid....just having a bad day. None of us weak Americans know how to make a good tennis player. Only Brad knows what it takes. He puts the kid against mediocre older kids, the oldest trick in the tennis parents handbook. Nothing to lose at all doing that. Juniors....waste of time....ummmm.....except when my kid wins a match.

I will join the boycott Brad deal right now.....I see a lot of wacked tennis parents every day, but this guy is on another level.

You're a lot like tenniscrazed. It doesn't matter what you have heard of Deiton or watched on video, he could have all the aspects of becoming pro and you guys would still find faults in him. You both seem to have all this experience in "tennis" but yet have never met Brad, but you know what kind of person he is! Give me a break! You can't go off what you hear from others about this man or his kid. Have you ever met them? Seen Deiton actually play in a tournament? Hit with him? The answer to all these is NO. Get off your high horse's you ran in on.

It just seems to me that both of you never "made" it in tennis either in college or pro and you just have built up resentment and want to put anyone's kids down who show promise, which is a fact with Deiton. Will he go to a top college/ or pro, who knows! Time will tell, but for now it seems like they're doing it the best way they can, will he lose to little 12 years olds, maybe, will he lose to 16 year olds too, probably, does that mean he will definitely not go pro? NO. Its a long journey time will tell, wont it.

TennisCoachFLA · Mar 20, 2009

tennismom2 said:
Always a critic, Psychic, prophet, never anything with substance to say, puts kids down, reels on their character and thinks you need to be the one to have authority to out Brad in his place. We're "suppose" to be "adults" but you act like an eight year old who doesn't get his way...Let dads bragg about their kids, at least they care enough to be completely involved with their kids.

You're a lot like tenniscrazed. It doesn't matter what you have heard of Deiton or watched on video, he could have all the aspects of becoming pro and you guys would still find faults in him. You both seem to have all this experience in "tennis" but yet have never met Brad, but you know what kind of person he is! Give me a break! You can't go off what you hear from others about this man or his kid. Have you ever met them? Seen Deiton actually play in a tournament? Hit with him? The answer to all these is NO. Get off your high horse's you ran in on.

It just seems to me that both of you never "made" it in tennis either in college or pro and you just have built up resentment and want to put anyone's kids down who show promise, which is a fact with Deiton. Will he go to a top college/ or pro, who knows! Time will tell, but for now it seems like they're doing it the best way they can, will he lose to little 12 years olds, maybe, will he lose to 16 year olds too, probably, does that mean he will definitely not go pro? NO. Its a long journey time will tell, wont it.

I added to my last post. I address some of your items. And notice I encourage real prospects like the girl fom England. I only go after Brad's kid because his dad is so dismissive of everyone, and he brags waaaaay more than he has any basis to brag.

You are a typical tennis mom, thinking this is all a magical journey where every kid has a shot. Nonsense, kids by 13 can be put into the potential group or eliminated. Boys who are average athletes at 13 do not magically acquire elite skills. The basics are either there or not. What they do with their skills is another story.

I went by the videos AND personal conversations with 2 coaches at IMG who watched the boy's matches at the Eddie Herr and saw him in a personal workout with Nick last year. And I am sure everyone at IMG told Brad what he wanted to hear, we all do that with the hundreds of aggressive tennis parents we have to deal with. Tennis people have learned long ago that tennis parents only hear what they want to hear anyway. So every tennis parent leaves IMG telling everyone that Nick loved their kid and encouraged him to keep playing and come back soon, yada, yada, yada.

Look, no one knows who makes the pros. But you have to start with the basics. A 13 year old boy must be a top athlete. He must have basic muscle tone, something to develop down the line with weight training, especially in his legs. And after 5 years of steady tennis you must see signs of tennis brilliance.

Those are the starting points....out of that group the mental aspects and opportunity and health separate who emerges.

Brad's son does not have elite athletic skills....he does not have any leg muscle tone to develop....and his tennis skills are good, but not great. There is not even any signs of greatness in any way, shape, or form. He is eliminated from the pool of boys who have a chance.

There are probably 1000 11-13 year olds around the world who are great athletes, have amazing tennis skills, and have solid leg structure. None of us knows which of those 1000 will emerge as a top 50 tennis pro.

But we do know which boys are not even in that prospect group. Brad's boy is not even in that group, not even close.

That may not be nice....but that is reality. Now I promise, I won't address this topic ever again.

BradBaughman · Mar 20, 2009

tennis mom thanks but you hit it on the head resentment of their careers its a mental disorder guys like this have, you read it in there writing patterns, i just have fun with them . tenniscrazed at one time said is kid was was a loser and i tried to tell him not to talk that way about his son ,,as for TCF never seeing deiton in person and having such a stong opinion just shows he a mediocure Parks and REC's coach and is in ahh of all the great coaches ,But they can say what they want im just having fun with the little guys so please dont be offended for me !!

SoCal10s · Mar 20, 2009

TennisCoachFLA: one of my old coaches used to put down everyone like you,his intentions was to be rough and tough so his student can handle the pressures of tennis tournaments .... that was during lessons and on the court... he is a real softy at heart .. but reading your post it seems like you are just trying to be hurtful and mean,something that I don't quite understand why..
do you have any vested interest if Brad's kid makes it or not? if not why are you always ragging on him? I hope no kid reads your stuff because it would definitely turn them off to tennis ... and if you are a tennis teacher as you say, how in the world can you promote your attitude?
if you think that you are doing Brad a favor by being so negative I think you need to review your thoughts.. it's good to be honest and straight forwards ,but the more I read your stuff ,it's stopped being that... I don't know Brad that well,and yes he may come on as a big promoter of his kid,so what ?,it's his own flesh and blood and who is Boluda to you? you seem to promote him ...
I've seen parents spend their whole life throwing away money,time,ect on their kid's tennis ,but it's their choice and they did it as a family.. those efforts do bring families closer together and it's not all wasted as it may seem..
I rather see a family spend all their money on tennis than have their kid all messed up with the wrong crowd and get hooked on drugs or other things.. how much trouble can a kid get into if their whole focus is trying to hit a tennis ball or golf ball better ? spending all their life's saving is still a lot better than seeing your kid in a drug rehab or locked up behind prison walls or dead..

10isDad · Mar 20, 2009

Amazing how, back in 2007 TCF was spouting off about how even an expert like Lansdorp was unable to identify pro level prospects until after puberty. Suddenly he's now an expert on the future leg muscle development of a 12 year old kid who probably is barely going through the beginning stages of puberty.

He used to say he hated to toot the horn of kids under 14 in his 2007 posts, yet he's gaga over a 9-year old girl from a different thread.

I wonder if he's ever looked at the 'massive' legs of guys like Cilic, El Aynaoui, Goran and other tall lanky players.

The chance that Deiton will actually make it to the big time in the tennis world is pretty small just from looking at the numbers. I, for one, sure hope he does get to that level & I hope I can see the sheepish look on the faces of the naysayers.

BradBaughman · Mar 20, 2009

10isDad said:
Amazing how, back in 2007 TCF was spouting off about how even an expert like Lansdorp was unable to identify pro level prospects until after puberty. Suddenly he's now an expert on the future leg muscle development of a 12 year old kid who probably is barely going through the beginning stages of puberty.

He used to say he hated to toot the horn of kids under 14 in his 2007 posts, yet he's gaga over a 9-year old girl from a different thread.

I wonder if he's ever looked at the 'massive' legs of guys like Cilic, El Aynaoui, Goran and other tall lanky players.

The chance that Deiton will actually make it to the big time in the tennis world is pretty small just from looking at the numbers. I, for one, sure hope he does get to that level & I hope I can see the sheepish look on the faces of the naysayers.

Boy you have a great memory on what people say and your asessment on the progress and the possibilitie's of a junior to pro is very accurate, ill start calling you "Tennis Dad coach" lol ,,anyways i enjoys these guy and what they s is fun "really" it shows me why our country is so messed up ,but really i just laugh at there amature critiques but i give them credit for trying ,Thanx again

SoCal10s · Mar 20, 2009

BradBaughman said:
Boy you have a great memory on what people say and your asessment on the progress and the possibilitie's of a junior to pro is very accurate, ill start calling you "Tennis Dad coach" lol ,,anyways i enjoys these guy and what they s is fun "really" it shows me why our country is so messed up ,but really i just laugh at there amature critiques but i give them credit for trying ,Thanx again

hey Brad: if you have some free time this weekend,go watch JW play against the kid who Deit lost to.. I know JW is not 100% because he didn't play that much in his high school matches recently,but if he brings his "A","B"or "C" game against the #85,it should still be something like 6-0,6-1... then you have have a clearer view of how the top 16s SoCal boys are capable of.. I like to know your assessment of JW too..

slicekick95 · Mar 20, 2009

i thought tcf was a solid respectable poster til now. all he is doing now is bashing deiton for no reason. even poeple lik kctennis who have disagreed with brad many times before have said that your claims are crazy. the top 12's player in SoCal going to a mid-level college at best?? thats crazy.

BradBaughman · Mar 20, 2009

slicekick95 said:
i thought tcf was a solid respectable poster til now. all he is doing now is bashing deiton for no reason. even poeple lik kctennis who have disagreed with brad many times before have said that your claims are crazy. the top 12's player in SoCal going to a mid-level college at best?? thats crazy.

Deiton could end up at a mid level d 2,, know one knows,, for him to say thats whats gonna happen as though he's seen the future shows some ignorance ,as for will deiton go pro yes! will he be top in the world will see! ,,can he dominate the 16's yes ,will he? will see ,one thing i know is this sport is very unpredictable but there are recipes that give you a great chance !!

BradBaughman · Mar 20, 2009

SoCal10s said:
hey Brad: if you have some free time this weekend,go watch JW play against the kid who Deit lost to.. I know JW is not 100% because he didn't play that much in his high school matches recently,but if he brings his "A","B"or "C" game against the #85,it should still be something like 6-1,6-1... then you have have a clearer view of how the top 16s SoCal boys are capable of.. I like to know your assessment of JW too..

i would like to see him, all i remember of him was deit cracking a shots into the corners ,starting to move in for the short ball and JW slicing it back at his feet and the point restarting and Deit flustered , i must admit i like the way he played that day !! but i will try to get out there!

SoCal10s · Mar 20, 2009

BradBaughman said:
i would like to see him, all i remember of him was deit cracking a shots into the corners ,starting to move in for the short ball and JW slicing it back at his feet and the point restarting and Deit flustered , i must admit i like the way he played that day !! but i will try to get out there!

Johnny is the type of player who can make someone play bad when he starts using all his slices and spins and angled shots,then he'll start blasting shots past you and he'll give you nothing,he'll make you work for the match that's for sure.. that was before but I think he has a bigger game now,so go check it out...

jamesbond4 · Mar 20, 2009

Hey guys I know this is alittle off topic but What is up with Ricky Baylon? I have seen him practice but never play a match and it seems that he has some of the greatest ball striking abilities but his ranking is rather low? Can someone explain what his deal is?

SoCal10s · Mar 20, 2009

jamesbond4 said:
Hey guys I know this is alittle off topic but What is up with Ricky Baylon? I have seen him practice but never play a match and it seems that he has some of the greatest ball striking abilities but his ranking is rather low? Can someone explain what his deal is?

yes Rickey is an excellent ball striker but he gives too many matches away.. he needs to mature a bit and play a more heady game... at the beginning of last year,he looked like he was on the right track and now he's back to playing for show... if you know the saying "drive for show,putt for dough" well Ricky is a great driver but he can't putt...

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