New Ohio State Player

Lindsay · Mar 24, 2009

I just read on ZooTennis that US #1 Chase Buchanan will be joining Ohio State in the Spring Quarter of the school year to help Ohio State to a National Championship in College Station. He left the USTA National Team in Spain to begin training with OSU. He was courtside as OSU played this weekend. He will be joining the lineup on March 30, OSU's first day of spring classes.

How does everyone think this will affect the NCAA Championships? I think this is a HUGE addition for OSU. He will probably come in playing line 4 behind some very experienced players who were all Top 10 a few weeks ago. This should make them even stronger at the middle-bottom of the lineup. Chase is also a very good doubles player. OSU will benefit just like Ole Miss benefited from the addition of Devon Britton.

Fedace · Mar 25, 2009

Yes this is a surprise. I personally don't like this. it is almost like a rent a player. This is college with precedence on Education, not a pro team with trade deadlines.

ihearit1st · Mar 25, 2009

Fedace said:
Yes this is a surprise. I personally don't like this. it is almost like a rent a player. This is college with precedence on Education, not a pro team with trade deadlines.

its not as if he's not going to school. he graduated in december, and has spent the last few weeks in spain with the usta team. he probably realized if he wanted a good shot at winning a national title, it was this year with moneke and koniecko on the team. ty tucker probably had a little pull also in convincing him the time is now. lucky for him, osu is in the quarter system not semester. expect to see him in action in april vs. kentucky.

GavinC360 · Mar 25, 2009

I think that will def help OSU, but I agree with Fedace that it seems a little like Rent-a-player, but I understand that it just how it works

goober · Mar 25, 2009

Fedace said:
Yes this is a surprise. I personally don't like this. it is almost like a rent a player. This is college with precedence on Education, not a pro team with trade deadlines.

Yes they should be like fine education first Stanford athletes like Jared Palmer, J-Mac, Tiger woods and the Lopez Twins.

jaggy · Mar 25, 2009

If he isnt back in school in the fall I will agree it is wrong, I have to wait till then.

Lindsay · Mar 25, 2009

jaggy said:
If he isnt back in school in the fall I will agree it is wrong, I have to wait till then.

He plans on being at OSU for a while. He graduated early to spend the spring training before he enrolled in the fall. But he decided to come a little early to contend for the title. He will be there in the fall as well.

AndrewD · Mar 25, 2009

Fedace said:
Yes this is a surprise. I personally don't like this. it is almost like a rent a player. This is college with precedence on Education, not a pro team with trade deadlines.

When ANY school gains a player based on that school's ability to offer a scholarship it ALL becomes 'rent a player' - something Stanford are equally guilty of. Perhaps, if they had a decent coach, Buchanan might have decided to go to Stanford. Unfortunately, they don't. As a result, they're continually losing out to schools where the coaching staff are more than just glorified clipboard jockeys.

Fedace · Mar 25, 2009

^^^Decent coach ????? You are kidding, right ? Ty Tucker compared to coach Whitlinger ?? You cannot be serious..

SoCal10s · Mar 25, 2009

Chase Buchanan

Chase Buchanan sounds spotty .. I never liked his attitude when I saw him play.. he's big cry-baby and sometimes a cry-baby temper... someone mentioned that there was an incident with him at Kalamazoo 2008 and he got penalized for it.. anyone know what happened?

CTennis11 · Mar 26, 2009

If you look it up he actually played for the team on Monday. Lost 6-4 6-4 (I think) in the number 2 spot.

jaggy · Mar 26, 2009

CTennis11 said:
If you look it up he actually played for the team on Monday. Lost 6-4 6-4 (I think) in the number 2 spot.

Thats interesting. Many struggle to make a fast jump to college tennis, I never exactly understand this but it is common.

Fedace · Mar 26, 2009

CTennis11 said:
If you look it up he actually played for the team on Monday. Lost 6-4 6-4 (I think) in the number 2 spot.

LOST ?? maybe this division 1 tennis is more tougher than i had given credit for. Bradley Klahn is consistantly winning at #2 spot so that tells you how talented he is.

ClarkC · Mar 26, 2009

Fedace said:
LOST ?? maybe this division 1 tennis is more tougher than i had given credit for. Bradley Klahn is consistantly winning at #2 spot so that tells you how talented he is.

Klahn lost at #2 against Pepperdine, just as Buchanan did, although not as badly. Klahn is a year older than Buchanan and was not playing his very first collegiate match, either.

ClarkC · Mar 26, 2009

jaggy said:
Thats interesting. Many struggle to make a fast jump to college tennis, I never exactly understand this but it is common.

If juniors and seniors do not often beat freshmen, then there is not much tennis development going on in college. Not sure why these results would be surprising.
If a freshman (who is really a high school senior in age) is going to whip top 50 ranked juniors and seniors in his first matches, college tennis is not much challenge for him and a waste of time.

ihearit1st · Mar 26, 2009

Fedace said:
LOST ?? maybe this division 1 tennis is more tougher than i had given credit for. Bradley Klahn is consistantly winning at #2 spot so that tells you how talented he is.

"More tougher" is not grammatically correct. And it was his first match and versus a top 20 team. He also is injured at the moment if you take time to read the article.

Don't hate on Ohio state just because they have a more driven program than Stanford. And better.

Fedace · Mar 26, 2009

ihearit1st said:
"More tougher" is not grammatically correct. And it was his first match and versus a top 20 team. He also is injured at the moment if you take time to read the article.

Don't hate on Ohio state just because they have a more driven program than Stanford. And better.

Yes Yes, i am sure he was Exausted when he played his first match. If he is as good as advertized then it shouldn't have mattered that he played the top 20 team. and did you say Grammer or Grandma. ???

Joeyg · Mar 26, 2009

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bluetrain4 · Mar 26, 2009

SoCal10s said:
Chase Buchanan sounds spotty .. I never liked his attitude when I saw him play.. he's big cry-baby and sometimes a cry-baby temper... someone mentioned that there was an incident with him at Kalamazoo 2008 and he got penalized for it.. anyone know what happened?

I saw him play in a Futures qualifying event in 2006. Good player, but so whiney and bratty. I wanted to slap him. His coach and mother did nothing.

But, he may have grown up by now.

Fedace · Mar 26, 2009

bluetrain4 said:
I saw him play in a Futures qualifying event in 2006. Good player, but so whiney and bratty. I wanted to slap him. His coach and mother did nothing.

But, he may have grown up by now.

From what i am hearing from the other posters, he hasn't changed much. Sometime parents doesn't do enough to correct the spoiled kids when they are as talented as this kid is. they get pretty much everything they want, getting spoiled.

AndrewD · Mar 26, 2009

Fedace said:
^^^Decent coach ????? You are kidding, right ? Ty Tucker compared to coach Whitlinger ?? You cannot be serious..

Absolutely. As I've said before, Whitlinger has never proven that he can coach and he does absolutely nothing for the Stanford recruiting effort. He lives on the university's reputation, not his own. The day he can take a team of average players and turn them into the nation's best is the day I happily eat my words. However, he has shown that he isn't capable of that job. All he can do is take players who are elite juniors and maintain them at that level (some might say their game drops a bit). He doesn't have the capacity to improve them - which is the hallmark of a good coach.

The best thing Stanford tennis could do is make a break with the past, fire Whitlinger and Forood, and find themselves a couple of coaches who actually deserve that title.

Fedace · Mar 26, 2009

AndrewD said:
Absolutely. As I've said before, Whitlinger has never proven that he can coach and he does absolutely nothing for the Stanford recruiting effort. He lives on the university's reputation, not his own. The day he can take a team of average players and turn them into the nation's best is the day I happily eat my words. However, he has shown that he isn't capable of that job. All he can do is take players who are elite juniors and maintain them at that level (some might say their game drops a bit). He doesn't have the capacity to improve them - which is the hallmark of a good coach.

The best thing Stanford tennis could do is make a break with the past, fire Whitlinger and Forood, and find themselves a couple of coaches who actually deserve that title.

Fire Forood ?? how did you get to that point ? Forood is already a Legend. Longest Home winning streak in history. and she doesn't really have any talent to boast. 1/2 of her players are fat and yet they are ranked just outside of top 10. That in itself speaks for itself.
and as far as coach Whitlinger is concerned, what do you mean he can't recruit ?? He had the best recruiting class in 08 season. and most likely he will win the NCAA this year. but one thing i am puzzled about is his decision to switch up the doubles teams last week.

Joeyg · Mar 26, 2009

I would correct this post, but it is like making fun of crippled people.

NickC · Mar 26, 2009

Fedace said:
and as far as coach Whitlinger is concerned, what do you mean he can't recruit ?? He had the best recruiting class in 08 season.

Ok, I know you don't operate in the real world, but here's some logic for you. Take the 1+1=2 equation and you'll figure out what I mean.

~"Standford" has an elite program, due to being a power house in terms of academics AND athletics, and it's situated in a very beautiful area.
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~ Good players will often want to play with others at their level ("talent attracts talent") and when others at their level all play in one place, others will want to join them.

=

-Take those facts into consideration, and add in the fact that it's a winning, stable program, you get the logical conclusion that "Coach Whit" doesn't need to do any recruiting, because the prestige of the program combined with the allure of the University itself already does the job. Your boy doesn't need to do anything besides sit on the sidelines and make the lineup. My dog could do that.

and most likely he will win the NCAA this year.

My ass they will. We all know "Standford" stands ZERO chance of winning.

AndrewD · Mar 27, 2009

Fedace said:
as far as coach Whitlinger is concerned, what do you mean he can't recruit ??

Stanford the educational institution recruited those players based on its outstanding (overly generous) reputation for academics and tennis. Whitlinger rides on its coat tails and, in truth, he's nothing more than a glorified towel boy.

Hell, I've got dead relatives who could do a better job coaching Stanford tennis than good old Whitless.

Retire Whitless, hire someone who understands tennis as it's played in this century and Stanford might finally stop squandering all of the talent it attracts.

AndrewD · Mar 27, 2009

NickC,

Who do you think should take over at Stanford? I say Bryan Shelton would be a great idea. Stellar playing career, top flight coaching credentials - tour players, NCAA winning teams, knows how to build a team.

NickC · Mar 27, 2009

AndrewD said:
NickC,

Who do you think should take over at Stanford? I say Bryan Shelton would be a great idea. Stellar playing career, top flight coaching credentials - tour players, NCAA winning teams, knows how to build a team.

I'm not well-versed in college tennis coaches, but I think that someone like John McEnroe would do the trick, if he was up for it. Think about it: he played for the team, wants to get back into the game in some way, and can help the boys learn a few things like netplay that are non-existent in today's game.

Fedace · Mar 27, 2009

AndrewD said:
Stanford the educational institution recruited those players based on its outstanding (overly generous) reputation for academics and tennis. Whitlinger rides on its coat tails and, in truth, he's nothing more than a glorified towel boy.

Hell, I've got dead relatives who could do a better job coaching Stanford tennis than good old Whitless.

Retire Whitless, hire someone who understands tennis as it's played in this century and Stanford might finally stop squandering all of the talent it attracts.

I am not sure what you have against Coach Whitlinger. but here are the Facts. He has the complete utter respect and admiration from all his players, especially from Alex Clayton. These are smart kids. If your coaching ability is sub standard, they will see right thru it.
and besides, what has Brian Shelton done ? His prized pupil, Kristi Miller can't even break into top 300. Wow... there is some coaching for you.

duso · Mar 28, 2009

Fedace said:
^^^Decent coach ????? You are kidding, right ? Ty Tucker compared to coach Whitlinger ?? You cannot be serious..

How stupid are you?

Fedace · Mar 28, 2009

duso said:
How stupid are you?

Yea right,, Ty Tucker. yea, i heard he coached his team to several NCAA championships and also coached several players into Top 10 in the ATP tour. yea,,right.....

Joeyg · Mar 28, 2009

I suppose ignorance is bliss. If this is so, you can imagine how some residents of Chicago/San Diego are deliriously happy.

Mdubb23 · Mar 28, 2009

Joeyg said:
I suppose is iognorance is bliss. If this is so, you can imagine how some residents of Chicago/San Diego are deliriously happy.

Thanks, early-morning chuckles are always much appreciated.

NickC · Mar 28, 2009

duso said:
How stupid are you?

It seems you haven't been on these boards often. He's quite dumb, and everyone but him will tell you that.

Fedace said:
Yea right,, Ty Tucker. yea, i heard he coached his team to several NCAA championships and also coached several players into Top 10 in the ATP tour. yea,,right.....

OK. Past 10 years, how many "Standford" players have made it into the ATP top 10 for singles?

Joeyg said:
I suppose ignorance is bliss. If this is so, you can imagine how some residents of Chicago/San Diego are deliriously happy.

I got a kick outta that one. Great work Joey.

jaggy · Mar 28, 2009

Shelton took the Ramblin Wreck to their first ever national title in ANY sport, thats what he has done.

chrisplchs · Mar 28, 2009

not everybody can pull a Levine and win 24 in a row at #1

mtommer · Mar 28, 2009

SoCal10s said:
Chase Buchanan sounds spotty .. I never liked his attitude when I saw him play.. he's big cry-baby and sometimes a cry-baby temper... someone mentioned that there was an incident with him at Kalamazoo 2008 and he got penalized for it.. anyone know what happened?

I don't remember all the specifics but basically he was throwing a fit on court and he got penalized a point. As a result I believe he lost the match right then and there as it was match point. He was getting beat pretty badly anyway. The crowd was booing at his antics as I recall. If I'm not mistaken though his parents were pretty upset at his attitude and "talking" to him after the match. It's been awhile though so I admit it is fuzzy.

AndrewD · Mar 29, 2009

Fedace said:
what has Brian Shelton done ? His prized pupil, Kristi Miller can't even break into top 300. Wow... there is some coaching for you.

Probably the stupidest argument you could make because it proves my point conclusively.

Shelton took a very good but not great player in Miller, combined her with a collection of average calibre players and won a national championship. THAT (winning with an average team) IS the hallmark of a good coach.

On that note, Forood had Anne Yelsey, Theresa Logar, Alice Barnes and Erin Burdette - all rated much higher than Miller- but none of them ever cracked the top 300. Guess she must be even worse than Shelton.

Fedace said:
I am not sure what you have against Coach Whitlinger. but here are the Facts. He has the complete utter respect and admiration from all his players, especially from Alex Clayton. These are smart kids. If your coaching ability is sub standard, they will see right thru it.

Those aren't facts, they're opinions - the difference is obvious. That a couple of kids decided to play tennis at Stanford proves nothing more than that they were willing to trade their tennis skills for a decent education.

Facts are this- Whitlinger doesn't have the skills necessary to succeed with an average roster because he is incapable of getting a player to elevate his game. If they don't enter Stanford as exceptional players he just doesn't have the ability to win with them.

The saddest indictment is this: The only way he can succeed is if the players achieve despite him, not because of him.

duso · Mar 29, 2009

Well stated Andrew D. John Whitlinger is a great guy. I played against him in High School and in juniors. However, the times have changed. Stanford is a great education, no doubt, so that attracts a certain type of top player. However, no Big 10 school is lacking in academic excellence! I really don't see that as an arguement for or against any school at this time. In these days of tight budgets, and cut backs, its hard to argue that you get a better education anywhere.

Fedace · Mar 30, 2009

duso said:
Well stated Andrew D. John Whitlinger is a great guy. I played against him in High School and in juniors. However, the times have changed. Stanford is a great education, no doubt, so that attracts a certain type of top player. However, no Big 10 school is lacking in academic excellence! I really don't see that as an arguement for or against any school at this time. In these days of tight budgets, and cut backs, its hard to argue that you get a better education anywhere.

Coach Gould himself named his successor as J Whitlinger. He had said in the past that there is noone better to lead Stanford tennis back to the NCAA championships. Team is getting better and better everyday and that is all you can ask for at this point. When this happens, usually the end result is championship season.

ihearit1st · Mar 30, 2009

Fedace said:
Team is getting better and better everyday and that is all you can ask for at this point. When this happens, usually the end result is championship season.

How are they getting better? They were ranked 4 last week, then lost to 3 teams ranked below them. That's actually what we like to call getting worse.

Joeyg · Mar 30, 2009

Dr. Fedace NEVER lets facts get in the way of his arguments!

goober · Mar 30, 2009

Fedace said:
I am not sure what you have against Coach Whitlinger. but here are the Facts. He has the complete utter respect and admiration from all his players, especially from Alex Clayton. These are smart kids. If your coaching ability is sub standard, they will see right thru it.
and besides, what has Brian Shelton done ? His prized pupil, Kristi Miller can't even break into top 300. Wow... there is some coaching for you.

lol- I am glad your "Standford" education is serving you so well. I show my daughter in second grade your post and asked if your post was stating facts or opinions. She said "obviously opinions" and rolled her eyes.

Fedace · Mar 30, 2009

ihearit1st said:
How are they getting better? They were ranked 4 last week, then lost to 3 teams ranked below them. That's actually what we like to call getting worse.

You need to follow the team closer in order to understand what is really going on. With the exception of Klahn and Thacher, team has not been playing well lately. They just have to make sure that they are getting hot going into NCAA tournament.

Joeyg · Mar 30, 2009

First, he lived in Illinois. Then, it was California. Now, I see that the good doctor has moved to the state of denial!

Tennisman912 · Apr 5, 2009

It seems Chase Buchanan’s reputation is still intact and deserved IMHO. I saw his match today. He is a bit of a whiner, especially as the match progressed (and his opponent didn’t just roll over) into the second set, but is only a freshman so I assume he will mature. He let the second set slip away because of a few questionable calls (He did get the short end of those though IMHO) he didn’t let go. Lost a very close 3rd set tiebreak to have the only loss today. Pretty small but a very strong player obviously. Very nice facility in Ann Arbor.

Full Disclosure: I am far from a warped OSU lover who thinks the sun rises and falls with the scarlet and gray like many Ohioans (i.e. football). Nice to see the tennis team doing well though. Went to see the match because I used to play with a couple of the players when they were juniors so wanted to see how they are progressing.

Good tennis all

TM

EPaps · Apr 17, 2009

Fedace said:
Yes this is a surprise. I personally don't like this. it is almost like a rent a player. This is college with precedence on Education, not a pro team with trade deadlines.

What do you expect, it's Ohio State.

1hbhBUX · Apr 21, 2009

Ohio State wrapped up its 4th consecutive Big Ten title. Buchanan is their no. 4 singles player and won over the weekend. I believe he's 5-3 this season.

jaggy · Apr 21, 2009

Right now I expect OSU to win the NCAA mens.

Fedace · Apr 21, 2009

jaggy said:
Right now I expect OSU to win the NCAA mens.

This is not a put down but i think OSU will choke somewhere along the line. They have a great team but they don't have the mental toughness or team chemistry to make it happen.

jaggy · Apr 21, 2009

Fedace said:
This is not a put down but i think OSU will choke somewhere along the line. They have a great team but they don't have the mental toughness or team chemistry to make it happen.

I actually think that is an excellent point given how they have choked in the past but I somehow just feel this is their year. I hope not, I hate Ohio State!

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