heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
I have a hard time shaking hands with a cheater. What do you guys do?
You can always do a Rafa before you shake.
Also since this is the star trek summer. Always remember the vision of Gene Roddenberry. IN that One Man can make a difference in this world. Just cause so many guys cheat, it doesn't mean you have to sink to that level. ONE man can do the right thing and can make a difference in this world.
"it's the right thing to do" is just not enough for me. I think The Count of Monte Cristo was as good as Star Trek.
I think that if you didn't shake, YOU would look bad to others, not the opponents. People wouldn't say, "That guy didn't shake, his opponents must have been bad cheats." More likely they'd say, "Look at the guy who wouldn't shake when he lost. What a bad sport." See what I mean?
hahaha good one...I do know what you mean but it doesn't matter to me what other people think. What matters to me is that we do the Right thing.
I think that if you didn't shake, YOU would look bad to others, not the opponents. People wouldn't say, "That guy didn't shake, his opponents must have been bad cheats." More likely they'd say, "Look at the guy who wouldn't shake when he lost. What a bad sport." See what I mean?
A couple times, and its rare, ive run into some good players that also cheated me and I still reluctantly gave them a handshake quickly. I also told them what I thought about it. If I play these players again I will insist on an umpire for the match from the beginning or I wont play. One time I did not shake hands however, but it wasnt because of cheating. I wont shake hands with someone that is an absolute jerk to me on the court, and personally insults me or my family. Even one other time I did a quick hand touch with a guy that was like this, but the other time against the monster I did not. I won both matches also so that wasnt a factor in my decision I guess.
When Brad Gilbert played Davey Wheaton, Wheaton's brother was there yelling at Gilbert about how he's gonna "kick his ***". You can read about it in "Winning Ugly", it's pretty amazing.Wow, I've never run into anyone that was even remotely insulting towards me personally.
Pun intended or not?He was hypercompetitive, to a fault.
rotfl !!!You can always do a Rafa before you shake.
Mike, then he/she is still a cheater. The rule is clear: if you do not see the ball clearly out then you have to call it in. Period. Anything else is cheating.IMO, you may want to substitute another word for cheater. I think that word is inflamatory and can cause negative feelings. A person who misses a line call or two may not be a cheater, might be that they are in the wrong position to make an accurate call.
I have a hard time shaking hands with a cheater. What do you guys do?
Wow, I've never run into anyone that was even remotely insulting towards me personally.
But face it, most people are really just subconsciously cheating, they are not out to purposely screw you. (the "wishful calling" sort)
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I agree with all of your points. If it is a call here and there, then yes, its just the wishful thinker or someone who makes an honest mistake. Passing shots and serves down the middle seem to be the frequent areas where seemingly honest people make bad calls. That said, I have met some world class cheaters who definitely had a full on cheating agenda! They hook at certain times and dont even really care where the ball lands if they want the point. The other type tries to accuse you of making a against them to get things started. Or mess up the score. Some people do it all! Then there is the "if its close its out" (see NCAAs on TV for this one in action) group. I've even known of cheating of the well organized level such as with draws and match scheduling, officials getting involved, etc.. but this is usually when cash is on the line.
Recently I witnessed a team, when questioned about line calls their standard answer is, "The ball is our call, we made the call and it sticks." Then they turn around and go to the baseline, leaving you standing at net looking for someone to discuss the line call with, interesting tactic, is it cheating too, or just they way they have been taught to avoid conflict on the court and to stick with their calls.
Ive only played one person in league tennis who I really think blatantly cheated on purpose and I wish I wouldn't of shook his hand. (he was calling balls out that were several feet in, and some that were still flying thru the air that eventually landed in)
But face it, most people are really just subconsciously cheating, they are not out to purposely screw you. (the "wishful calling" sort)
Maybe you can say they should know better because "YOU WOULDNT DO THAT", or whatever but you dont need to have any malice toward them. I just figure it's something they cant control, just like dealing with anyone who has some sort of mental handicap.
So Id shake their hand, the match is over at that point.
What's the purpose of not shaking their hand? To teach them a lesson? (not happening....) Because you want to show you are "mad" at them? (what's the point?)
It's a silly meaningless gesture, they've won the match already, just be glad they didnt sneak into your tennis bag when you werent looking and make off with your wallet or something.
IMO, you may want to substitute another word for cheater. I think that word is inflamatory and can cause negative feelings.
Yes, "cheater" is an offensive word and PC people don't use it anymore. Nowadays we call them the "line calls challenged".Only someone that cheats would be offended by this post.
At the risk of sounding insane, I think this somehow works in tennis. I've seen cheaters go on to hit net cords that roll serveral feet on the net and then...fall on their own side. The luck just doesn't seem to be with them. A sudden wind will push their lob out, things like that happen. I get the feeling that they've angered the tennis gods, and they'll be cursed until they start to play more honestly. It's spooky. :shock:Tell them that perhaps their lack of good sportsmanship cursed them