At that point in the match, I don't call it unless it's egregious.
^^^ - it's clear as water and without a shade of doubt! she foot faulted: Period!
Tennis is different from any other sports. Doesn't matter if its Fed, Nadal or just a beginner. If the ball is out, its out!! If your foot is over the line, its a foot fault. Other sports like football or boxing or basketball, ( whatever ) its up to the ref to decide to call fouls or not. Tennis isn't like that. Its a lines game!! Its either in or out, over the line or not. Its really that simple!! End of story.
I'd like to see your evidence, because the only angles I've seen have been inconclusive at best.
I'd like to see your evidence, because the only angles I've seen have been inconclusive at best.
Inconclusive my big fat derriere...
btw: this is a screen shot of the movie... you could have done it yourself!
We have great evidence that you seem to want to ignore - the linesperson sitting on the line saw a foot fault.
To be sitting on a line, a linesperson has to have proven 20/20 corrected vision. In addition, that linesperson has, if I understand correctly, been in several other matches where hawkeye was available, which means that *every* close call she's made in past matches on such courts have been used to evaluate her judgement prior to putting her on that court.
That is inconclusive. It's a horrible angle.
I'm not a Serena fan. I don't give a crap whether she won or lost. But claiming that this image is somehow proof of a foot fault is, frankly, silly.
even if you discount the Paralx error given by the angle, she is well inside the baseline... silly is looking at that and make such claim.
ps: in case you are as ignorant as your posts regarding this subject make you look, paralax is:
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Paralax
Wow, so I claim that one poor image of a possible foot fault is inconclusive and suddenly I'm ignorant and stupid!
That's about par for the course for TW, though, unfortunately.
Look, the image is not conclusive. Period.
Have you actually ever seen a professional tennismatch where the receiver starts complaining to the umpire that the server made a footfault of half a centimeter?.
could it be because the receiver is looking at the ball point of contact and hoping the line judges do their job?
genius at sight...
So I take it you agree with the rest of my post
Furthermore, I think you are the genius at sight.. or maybe I actually am some sort of genius because I have noticed on several occassions that my opponent made footfaults.
You think Clijsters wouldn't notice if Serena stepped over the line entirely, because Clijsters is looking at the ball? :lol:
well.. then you are indeed one...
if you can look at two points in the same moment during a tennis match than i can land one foot in Calais and the other one i Dover and wash stuff in the channel...
Your reasoning is flawed.. you don't have to look at two points at the same time..
I am a tournament player and ALWAYS call foot faults when I see them. Why would I treat some fat assed diva any different?
right.. so when you receive serve i gather that you look at your opponents feet and trust your spiderman abilities to guess the trajectory of the ball...
right...
Send my regards to Cat woman...
right.. so when you receive serve i gather that you look at your opponents feet and trust your spiderman abilities to guess the trajectory of the ball...
right...
Send my regards to Cat woman...
You mean you call foot faults on your opponent? How can you even tell if they foot fault from the other side of the net? Unless they are like six inches inside the line, I don't see how you can call that.
I don't believe anyone has posted this question.
You mean you call foot faults on your opponent? How can you even tell if they foot fault from the other side of the net? Unless they are like six inches inside the line, I don't see how you can call that.
Do you actually play tennis?
Furthermore, if you have to focus at one point to see something, I feel sorry for you
ps:man.. how i would love to take you to a court!
That picture is about as clear as the Zapruder.
No you wouldn't man.. I suck so much, I can barely get the ball over the net 3 times in a row.. It wouldn't even be funny for you beating me..
But seriously, you make a sarcastic post, you can expect a sarcastic post back. I'll stop the sarcasm here and will just agree to disagree about being able to see a footfault being made.
And seriously, I'm not that good of a tennis player. from what I've read, my rating would be something like 4 - 4.5 or so. But it doesn't matter, almost nobody here plays professional level, yet we all have our "educated" opinion and for many discussions we actually don't have to be professional tennis players.
Yes, and anyone who doesn't play by the rules needs to find a sport where they are allowed to make up the rules as they go along.
Of course, no matter the score, no matter who plays. Rules are rules and should be observed.
how do you know that? Any video/pic evidence?In this case there should have been no call as there was no foot fault.
The truth of the matter is though that the naked eye can rarely identify a foot fault with any certainty.
how do you know that? Any video/pic evidence?
At that point in the match, I don't call it unless it's egregious.
but you are the only one who had seen it????Of course there is video evidence. The lineswoman got it wrong.
In the Serena-Clijsters case, I would only call it if it was on the first serve, I wouldn't call it on the second service, knowing that my call would result in a double fault, which would lead to 2 matchpoints in such a high profile match so far in the tournament.
People can talk all they want about slippery slopes with this reasoning and argue that a rule is a rule. But truth is, Clijsters wouldn't care if Serena's toe would have touched the line. And actually no one would have known about it if it wasan't called, because if there was any footfault, it was minimal at best. Have you actually ever seen a professional tennismatch where the receiver starts complaining to the umpire that the server made a footfault of half a centimeter?
Before I hear the argument that this reasoning would implie that line judges give balls in on important points when the ball is only a little out.. A ball being in or out is the essence of the tennisgame, so ofcourse that will always be a yes or no call without any room for negotiation. In the case of a minimal footfault (at best) it is at the discretion of the linesjudge and the linesjudge should take all circumstances into consideration. In the case of Serena, the call shouldn't have been made imo.
And NO, I'm am not saying that had Serena stepped over the line with her entire foot on that serve (or something like that), that the call should not be made.
BTW: I'm not defending Serena's behavior at all. She was way out of line and the point penalty was the least she deserved. You don't go telling linesjudges that you will shove a ball down their throat.