Roddick (09) Vs Nadal (08) Wimbledon, Who Wins?
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Murray Magic
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That's quite misleading, Murray and Nadal are the best returners on tour (along with Davydenko). Federer is the one who has an average return percentage. Saying that Nadal would be lucky to break Roddick once is mind blowing. Roddick wouldn't be able to break Nadal often, his ROS is probably the worst in the top 10.
TheMusicLover
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THAT Roddick would surely have won the match. Bad luck for him to find him playing 'someone else' in that final...
P_Agony
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This is one question I truly have no opinion on. Both Roddick in 2009 and Nadal in 2008 were in the forms of their life, and Roddick would probably not have choked that 2nd set TB to Nadal like he did for Fed. Then again, Federer choked the 2nd set in 2008 to Nadal, so it's a matchup thing. I don't know who would have won, but I bet it would have gone the distance.
No, really, it isn't misleading. Federer is known for blocking Roddick's serve back. If i had roddick's serve - i know which returner i would prefer to be serving too, and it wouldn't be Federer. Nadal's return isn't special, it's overrated.
No it is not mind blowing because roddick beat nadal in dubai in 2008 (his worst year ever) without getting broken. Wimbledon is faster and roddick was serving better.
Yes, roddick's ROS is the weakest in the top 10, but guess what - nadal is the worst server in the top 10 so it all balances out nicely for roddick.
Nadal one of the best returners on tour???????? I'll agree with Murray, but definitely not Nadal. He stands too far back, and anyone who has a good 2nd shot approach gives him trouble on a faster court. Besides, Roddick's best serves are wide on the deuce court and up the T on the ad court, which go directly into Nadal's weaker side. It's amazing how they never seem to meet in a fast court GS.
namelessone
Legend
I understand Federer having mono in January-February at AO(he didn't look ok physically to me) but come on,you expect me to believe mono was still affecting him 5 months later? In a tournament in which he didn't drop a set to the final? Hell,he dropped one set in WB 09' so one could presumbaly say that Fed from WB 09' played worse than in WB 08'?
Federer played bad because Nadal made him play bad,just like in a lot of their matches. It's a match-up thing. Look,Nadal pushed Fed to 4 sets in 06' when Nadal had very few grass matches under his belt(fed being three times champ at the time) and to 5 in 07'. Clearly Nadal was doing something right on grass against the field and Fed. I think Federer played very good tennis both in 08' and 09'. In the first he recovered being 2 sets down and barely lost that match against a in-form Nadal and he constantly had to push roddick back in 09' to win it. In short,in 08' his groundstrokes worked while his serve didn't and in 09' the opposite happened. He lost in 08' because Nadal was tougher in the key moments than Roddick was. No way was roddick recovering against Fed after choking big time in the 4th tie like Rafa did. But it was the best I have seen Roddick play for a LOOONNGGGG time against Roger.
Regarding the Rafa-Roddick matchup on grass: It is tight but I still say Rafa takes it. He is mentally stronger and while Roddick has improved big time on his groundstrokes(especially BH),his approaches are still crap(and Nadal is a great passer) and he still relies a lot on his serve. If Nadal is playing his normal game and Roddick plays out of this world I say Rafa wins in 5. If Roddick has a bad serve day,Nadal takes it in 3 or 4. Nadal has to have a really bad day to lose to Roddick on grass because Nadal is simply better off the ground and even improved Roddick can't handle that on grass,at least IMO. To win Roddick would need to serve out of this world and somehow attack Nadal's serve,which is weak,but kicks up better on grass than HC and constantly push Nadal off the ground. He would need to serve great,take the ball early to hinder Nadal's shotmaking ability and stay clutch in the tough moments. A pretty tall order if you ask me. And there is another factor to Roddick's great WB 09' showing against Fed. The h2h,which really motivated Roddick to finally win against his nemesis,Federer. It was visible in his attitude. He basically said the whole match "I am not losing to this guy AGAIN and at Wimbledon AGAIN" and he almost pulled through. The roddick of the past would have withered away after losing the second set against Fed but this one soldiered on. Somehow I think he would lack that motivation against Rafa.
Federer played bad because Nadal made him play bad,just like in a lot of their matches. It's a match-up thing. Look,Nadal pushed Fed to 4 sets in 06' when Nadal had very few grass matches under his belt(fed being three times champ at the time) and to 5 in 07'. Clearly Nadal was doing something right on grass against the field and Fed. I think Federer played very good tennis both in 08' and 09'. In the first he recovered being 2 sets down and barely lost that match against a in-form Nadal and he constantly had to push roddick back in 09' to win it. In short,in 08' his groundstrokes worked while his serve didn't and in 09' the opposite happened. He lost in 08' because Nadal was tougher in the key moments than Roddick was. No way was roddick recovering against Fed after choking big time in the 4th tie like Rafa did. But it was the best I have seen Roddick play for a LOOONNGGGG time against Roger.
Regarding the Rafa-Roddick matchup on grass: It is tight but I still say Rafa takes it. He is mentally stronger and while Roddick has improved big time on his groundstrokes(especially BH),his approaches are still crap(and Nadal is a great passer) and he still relies a lot on his serve. If Nadal is playing his normal game and Roddick plays out of this world I say Rafa wins in 5. If Roddick has a bad serve day,Nadal takes it in 3 or 4. Nadal has to have a really bad day to lose to Roddick on grass because Nadal is simply better off the ground and even improved Roddick can't handle that on grass,at least IMO. To win Roddick would need to serve out of this world and somehow attack Nadal's serve,which is weak,but kicks up better on grass than HC and constantly push Nadal off the ground. He would need to serve great,take the ball early to hinder Nadal's shotmaking ability and stay clutch in the tough moments. A pretty tall order if you ask me. And there is another factor to Roddick's great WB 09' showing against Fed. The h2h,which really motivated Roddick to finally win against his nemesis,Federer. It was visible in his attitude. He basically said the whole match "I am not losing to this guy AGAIN and at Wimbledon AGAIN" and he almost pulled through. The roddick of the past would have withered away after losing the second set against Fed but this one soldiered on. Somehow I think he would lack that motivation against Rafa.
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ceberus
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Most likely Roddick, in 4-5 sets
Bjorkman & Johnny Mac
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If we talking a wimbeldon a final, than Rafa takes this.. Roddick has proven time and time again to have serious nerve problems in finals and if Nadal could get the serve of Roddick's back in play that would be more than enough to bully Roddick from the baseline.
Hell Fed didnt look good in the final at all and still manage to squeak out the win over Roddick and Nadal Wimbeldon 08 is better than Fed 09 Wimbeldon.
To think career final choker A-Rod would outdo mentally physically peak Nadal at the heigth of his career is a bit crazy.
Hell Fed didnt look good in the final at all and still manage to squeak out the win over Roddick and Nadal Wimbeldon 08 is better than Fed 09 Wimbeldon.
To think career final choker A-Rod would outdo mentally physically peak Nadal at the heigth of his career is a bit crazy.
feetofclay
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In my opinion Nadal would have won, Nadal has beaten Roddick on all surfaces, including Queens, which is a faster grass surface than Wimbledon.
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
Tipsarevic also beat Roddick in 2008 on grass, in Wimbledon no less.
You can't compare Roddick's 2009 form on grass to the year before.
I didn't agree with you on the other thread, but i agree with what you are saying. Besides, pime Nadal beat Roddick at his worst and injured.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Lol,Fed was fine come Wimbledon last year,he didn't lose a set until the final so let's drop the excuses.
It's really hard to say,the way Roddick played at Wimbledon this year was a bit remiscent of Goran in 2001,he was serving and playing out of his mind,some of the best tennis I've ever seen from Roddick.Then again Nadal looked like a man on the mission at Wimbledon last year,was killing people off ground and his serve was actually a weapon throghout the tourney(which isn't usual for him).I'll go with Nadal in 5.
zagor
Bionic Poster
So when Fed plays bad against Nadal it's solely because of Nadal but when Nadal plays bad/loses it's because he's exhausted/has injuried knees/injuried tummy/played with pain for the last 5 months/because of altitude etc. good to know.
Although I agree that mono excuse for Wimbledon is crap and doesn't hold water in the slightest since Fed was playing excellent tennis until he ran into Nadal in the final.
Cesc Fabregas
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Haha, good one.
kOaMaster
Hall of Fame
you do underestimate this. it CAN affect you for months.
but I don't think it really was a problem in the final.
would also say nadal 08 would win vs this years roddick
Match-up issues, match-up issues. Nadal is never having a prayer of breaking Roddick's serve backed up with his forehand. Now, it's just a question of whether Roddick can get a point in the TB, and I think his return was just enough to sneak that one point that he needed.
Tennis is a game of match-ups. If Federer and Sampras played on slower surfaces, Federer wins easily nearly every time. However, put Sampras against Nadal on any surface but clay, and it's a slaughter nearly every time in favor of Sampras. Yet Nadal owns Federer nearly everywhere.
Like I said, it's all about match-ups. 04 Roddick in fact matches up way better than 09 Roddick. He served bigger, hit bigger, and took more risks. That's exactly the prototype build that beats Nadal all the time.
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
It's difficult to hit a pass off an ace.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Its not like Roddick went through the tournament without losing his serve, Nadal could just get the returns back and Roddick isn't going to hit everything for a winner or come to net and Nadal defence and passing shots would win him many points. Also when Nadal gets in charge of the point Roddick is history, Nadal would just abuse his backhand all day and just keep serving there. Nadal wins in 4.
kOaMaster
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it's difficult to win a game if the only thing you can is hitting aces. ask karlovic, he knows.
dropshot winner
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So why did Federer almost lose the final if Roddick struggles to win games and can only hit aces?
How did Roddick break Federer more often than the other way around? And didn't Federer hit more aces than Roddick?
only an idiot would post that;-)
so you think Roddick would only serve aces and not get his damn serve broken
you fool:roll:
Nadal would find a way to read Roddick's serve at some point and we know that all of Roddick's slice would get punished by Nadal's forehand dragging Roddick left and right
Nadal's backhand is 10x better than Roddick
despite the weight loss;Nadal still moves better and still faster and Nadal would take time away from your boy and run him wild
Murray Magic
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You make it sound as if Roddick's ROS was better in 04 than now. The answer to that is quite simply NO. It has not improved, nor has it got worst. Last year's Nadal would have Roddick for breakfast. Infact, he wouldn't even fill him up.
dropshot winner
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Roddick doesn't serve and volley off a weak serve, and Nadal is not hittin passin shots off a 145 mph serve down the T.
The way Roddick was serving in that match I don't see how Nadal could break his serve more than once, and in the tiebreaks I'd give Roddick the edge.
Baikalic
Semi-Pro
This should have been a poll =).
Hard one to say, Wimbledon 09 Roddick would have been very difficult to break because Rafa has a worse return of serve than Federer and the latter was having a very hard time reading Roddick that day.
Roddick-Nadal also have only one previous matchup on grass so it's hard to say precisely what the surface would bring to their matchup at Wimbledon. Assuming absolute top form I'll say that it would be a 5 set encounter with Roddick prevailing based on how well he was clocking in the dtl backhand.
Hard one to say, Wimbledon 09 Roddick would have been very difficult to break because Rafa has a worse return of serve than Federer and the latter was having a very hard time reading Roddick that day.
Roddick-Nadal also have only one previous matchup on grass so it's hard to say precisely what the surface would bring to their matchup at Wimbledon. Assuming absolute top form I'll say that it would be a 5 set encounter with Roddick prevailing based on how well he was clocking in the dtl backhand.
Murray Magic
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LMAO!! Surely someone with any sence will contradict this statement.
kOaMaster
Hall of Fame
that's exactly what I wanted to say. aces will not help winning vs nadal. just having a huge serve is not enough. I'm not saying roddick does not have the weapons to win vs nadal, but I still don't think he would've won vs nadal last year.
dropshot winner
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I'm not saying that Roddick would've won, but he would definately had his chances.
Bjorkman & Johnny Mac
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Well Nadal is one player historically, well the only player today really who has been able FORCE Fed to play bad. It shows in the h2h how Nadal has just been a horrible matchup for Fed over the years.
Murray Magic
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You are quite right, Roddick 2009 did get straight setted by Nadal in Indian Wells! LOL
On gras you fool. Roddick still played crap against nadal and nadal played really well and roddick still had his chances.
lambielspins
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2008 Nadal is too good for Roddick on any surface other than a lightning fast hard/indoor court which Dubai is alot like. Since I dont think we will see 2008 Nadal ever again, Roddick will have his chances in the future if they play on grass. Then again Roddick's 09 Wimbledon might have been his last time playing at that sort of level too.
Nadal's record is misleading. They have played twice on clay, and once on grass with roddick injured, and when roddick played nadal at indian wells both times he played awful.
Murray Magic
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You said "Roddick 2009 would straight set Nadal". That is obviously false and makes no sense since Roddick got straight setted a few months ago by Nadal. FYI, Indian Wells is a Hard court and therefore favors Roddick. While Nadal prefers the slower surface grass. So everything you've said means zit in my book.
lambielspins
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You are right tennis is alot about matchups. However Roddick is not a tough matchup for Nadal at all. Roddick has only beaten Nadal once since 2004. He even was straight setted by Nadal on the very fast old style grass of Queens in 2008. On hard courts Roddick looks helpless when they play. Roddick doesnt hit hard enough off the ground to hurt Nadal. Roddick is mostly a very consistent baseliner who wins alot of rallies through his opponents errors, but this would never work vs Nadal. Even 2004 Roddick with the sometimes very big forehand, wouldnt have the backhand or movement to keep up with Nadal from the backcourt.
Now as for Roddick's serve weapon which he also relies so much on, Roddick serves down the middle often and rarely uses extreme angles out wide on the serve even when he goes wide. Nadal standing so far back is able to return even his big serves most of the time. Karlovic is much tougher for Nadal to return due to the angles he gets on his serve. Then on top of that Roddick doesnt follow his huge first serve to the net, so Nadal standing so far back to return doesnt hurt him.
Then dont even get me started on when Roddick tries to come in during rallies vs Nadal.
Tennis is indeed about matchups and Roddick is not a tough matchup for Nadal other than Nadal in diapers of 2004.
lambielspins
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If a player keeps losing like they are playing awful vs a certain opponent on numerous occasions there is probably a reason for that. Roddick's game isnt effective enough vs Nadal thus he is made to look awful most times he plays Nadal. There are too many excuses in your post, the fact is Nadal has owned Roddick completely since 2005. Roddick even hangs in more matches with Federer than Nadal, which is saying something.
Murray Magic
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Big difference, Nadal won, roddick STILL lost despite having 4 Consecutive set points and netting an easy volley on one of them. Roddick won't be remembered, Nadal will. However Nadal was a beast on that day, barring rain delay it would have been straight sets. Tough to call since roddick could have beaten fed in straights or in 4 had he converted them set points.
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srinrajesh
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roddick could have taken a set off Nadal but he doesnt have the serve and volley game to finish off Nadal on the slower grass nowadays. He would get passed repeatedly ...
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