To all those who never lifted weights before.

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

STOP CALLING NADAL A JUICER !!

Seriously, if you ever get into weight liftings or bodybuilding you will know that someone of nadal's size is nothing compared to those who did do steroids (google mr. olympia). I've seen guys in the gym who are about the same size of nadal or even bigger yet they do not do any steroids at all.

You don't need steroids to get nadal-ish. Just take an adequate amount of protein, work out (smart+hard) and I can gurantee that you will see results. Nadal might have used stuff like creatine and nitric oxide to enhance his performance and muscle definition but those things are nothing like steroids !

For now, stop calling him a juicer unless you have some kind of concrete evidence. I'm a fed fan myself however that does now prevent me from appreciating nadal's talent. In terms of diligence and dedication, I consider him to be one of the top dogs in tennis right now. As such, lay off the childish attacks and just enjoy tennis.

IvanAndreevich · Oct 30, 2009

You don't know much about Nadal's training routine. As far as I know, he hates weightlifting and is rarely in the gym pumping iron.

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

IvanAndreevich said:
You don't know much about Nadal's training routine. As far as I know, he hates weightlifting and is rarely in the gym pumping iron.

He has to do weight lifting or some kind of compound body weight exercises to have such a developed physique. Steroids are not magical pills, you don't take it the night before and expect to look like Hercules the next day.

NamRanger · Oct 30, 2009

You don't know anything about drugs so please stop commenting about the issue. There are many types of steroids used for cutting, bulking, etc. That people like you are totally ignorant about.

Serve_Ace · Oct 30, 2009

Tdot said:
He has to do weight lifting or some kind of compound body weight exercises to have such a developed physique. Steroids are not magical pills, you don't take it the night before and expect to look like Hercules the next day.

Nadal says that he never uses the gym at all.

hifi heretic · Oct 30, 2009

I would agree that there is nothing about his appearance that suggest he's a juicer. People keep pointing to his "massive" arms. Please. .Yes, he's a got a bulbous left bicep (I feel silly even mentioning it) and that's about it. When his arm is at rest at his side it actually looks quite slender.

Otherwise he just looks like a fit athlete with a mesomorph body type. ..As for his on-court endurance, well that could quite believably be the result of being young, training his tail off, and good genes. ..But agree, there is NOTHING about his appearance that suggests steriods.

NamRanger · Oct 30, 2009

hifi heretic said:
I would agree that there is nothing about his appearance that suggest he's a juicer. People keep pointing to his "massive" arms. Please. .Yes, he's a got a bulbous left bicep (I feel silly even mentioning it) and that's about it. When his arm is at rest at his side it actually looks quite slender.

Otherwise he just looks like a fit athlete with a mesomorph body type. ..As for his on-court endurance, well that could quite believably be the result of being young, training his tail off, and good genes. ..But agree, there is NOTHING about his appearance that suggests steriods.

2003-2004 he gained a significant amount of muscle mass within a short amount of time. He says he does not weight train, and the only times he heavily trains is during the off season which is 2 months. I highly doubt he magically put on that muscle within 2 months.

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

NamRanger said:
You don't know anything about drugs so please stop commenting about the issue. There are many types of steroids used for cutting, bulking, etc. That people like you are totally ignorant about.

I might not have a degree in biology but i've read enough bodybuilding articles and peer reviewed journals to know what steroids are.

When it comes to bodybuilding, competitors take steroids to increase the amount of circulating androgens inside their bloodstream (testosterone, the most well known male hormone; Dihydrotestosterone, the most potent male hormone). These androgens have anabolic effects so as such, the more you have in your body the easier it is for you to gain muscles and retain muscles.... I can go on with this if you want me to but that's not the point. My point is that that you don't need to juice to get a body like Nadals'. Period !

NamRanger · Oct 30, 2009

Tdot said:
I might not have a degree in biology but i've read enough bodybuilding articles and peer reviewed journals to know what steroids are.

When it comes to bodybuilding, competitors take steroids to increase the amount of circulating androgens inside their bloodstream (testosterone, the most well known male hormone; Dihydrotestosterone, the most potent male hormone). These androgens have anabolic effects so as such, the more you have in your body the easier it is for you to gain muscles and retain muscles.... I can go on with this if you want me to but that's not the point. My point is that that you don't need to juice to get a body like Nadals'. Period !

You do not always have to use steroids to bulk numskull. You can use them to cut fat out and strengthen muscles. Korda used steroids, was he a freak of nature?

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

NamRanger said:
You do not always have to use steroids to bulk numskull. You can use them to cut fat out and strengthen muscles. Korda used steroids, was he a freak of nature?

LOL, so much for maturity on this board.
Yes, you can use steroids to trim out the fat since any increase testosterone or decrease in estrogen will increase your body's capability of metabolizing fat. But like i said before, you are missing the point here. I posted this topic not to prove that what hormones do what or if you are the smartest guy on earth when it comes to juicing knowledge, but to express my opinion that you don't need to juice to look like Nadal.

veroniquem · Oct 30, 2009

I could understand calling Federer a juicer because it's been proved that noone can make 3 or 4 slam finals a year for 4+ years in a row.
So I get all the suspicions about him, but personally, I have to refrain from direct accusations as I have no tangible proof of his guilt

(unless his out of control body hair growth has anything to do with a substance abuse side effect

)

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Tdot said:
STOP CALLING NADAL A JUICER !!

Seriously, if you ever get into weight liftings or bodybuilding you will know that someone of nadal's size is nothing compared to those who did do steroids (google mr. olympia). I've seen guys in the gym who are about the same size of nadal or even bigger yet they do not do any steroids at all.

You don't need steroids to get nadal-ish. Just take an adequate amount of protein, work out (smart+hard) and I can gurantee that you will see results. Nadal might have used stuff like creatine and nitric oxide to enhance his performance and muscle definition but those things are nothing like steroids !

For now, stop calling him a juicer unless you have some kind of concrete evidence. I'm a fed fan myself however that does now prevent me from appreciating nadal's talent. In terms of diligence and dedication, I consider him to be one of the top dogs in tennis right now. As such, lay off the childish attacks and just enjoy tennis.

Yeah, but Nadal claims that he's NEVER lifted weights before in his life.

So how else do you explain his defined muscles?

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Tdot said:
He has to do weight lifting or some kind of compound body weight exercises to have such a developed physique. Steroids are not magical pills, you don't take it the night before and expect to look like Hercules the next day.

He doesn't. That's why the speculation about steroids.

hifi heretic · Oct 30, 2009

NamRanger said:
2003-2004 he gained a significant amount of muscle mass within a short amount of time. He says he does not weight train, and the only times he heavily trains is during the off season which is 2 months. I highly doubt he magically put on that muscle within 2 months.

So he was, say 17 or 18 years old?? ..It is quite likely that simply began filling out at that age. ..I'm telling you, ask any "strength" athlete who has been around steroid users and they'll tell you it's nuts to believe Nadal uses steroids simply because of his appearance.

spacediver · Oct 30, 2009

many athletes takes performance enhancers to reduce recovery time, not necessarily to bulk up.

hifi heretic · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
Yeah, but Nadal claims that he's NEVER lifted weights before in his life.

So how else do you explain his defined muscles?

What defined muscles?? My son - who is 13 - is EVERY bit as muscular as Nedal, apart perhaps from his left bicep. ..And his bicep is big primarily because of the way he swings his racquet using his arm muscles. ..Sheesh. So why does his right arm appear to be, at most, 15" around?

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

hifi heretic said:
What defined muscles?? My son - who is 13 - is EVERY bit as muscular as Nedal, apart perhaps from his left bicep. ..And his bicep is big primarily because of the way he swings his racquet using his arm muscles. ..Sheesh. So why does his right arm appear to be, at most, 15" around?

Does your 13 year-old son look like this?

The Incredible Hulk has nothing on Nadal. :shock:

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
Yeah, but Nadal claims that he's NEVER lifted weights before in his life.

So how else do you explain his defined muscles?

I don't care what he he claims. There's no way he can get those guns without doing some kind of resistance training (either weights or bodyweight training like push ups/pull ups). If you are a fat slob who takes steroids, thinking that by doing so will make you look like Arnold the terminator then good luck..

Cesc Fabregas · Oct 30, 2009

The funny thing is Nadal isn't even that muscular, he just has a big left bicep.

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

the pic above is clearly photoshopped.

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

I was talking about "the hulk" picture.

hifi heretic · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
Does your 13 year-old son look like this?

The Incredible Hulk has nothing on Nadal. :shock:

That is a doctored photo to be sure (I've seen that before). ..So, no. He does not look like that. And not to sound boastful (it's not like anyone knows who I am or much less cares) but I was just as muscular as Nadal ay 18 years old. ..And I had at least one friend who was even more muscular without much effort. It's just the genetic luck of the draw. Some people are naturally mesomorphs.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

hifi heretic said:
That is a doctored photo to be sure (I've seen that before). ..So, no. He does not look like that. And not to sound boastful (it's not like anyone knows who I am or much less cares) but I was just as muscular as Nadal ay 18 years old. ..And I had at least one friend who was even more muscular without much effort. It's just the genetic luck of the draw. Some people are naturally mesomorphs.

Yeah, but did you lift weights?

HunterST · Oct 30, 2009

I can't believe people are acting like the op is an irrational moron when he's saying a completely reasonable argument. Now sure, most people that take steroids don't look like Mr. Olympia, that takes insane genetics PLUS steroids. Regardless, Nada's physique is VERY attainable without steroids. In fact, someone who played tennis everyday and had a good diet could probably get that body working out 2 or 3 days a week provided they had reasonably good genetics.

bottom line, YOU have to prove that an averagely muscular guy takes steroids. It is not the op's job to prove that he doesn't.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

hifi heretic said:
That is a doctored photo to be sure (I've seen that before). ..

There's no proof that it's a doctored photo. I don't think it is.

hifi heretic · Oct 30, 2009

Cesc Fabregas said:
The funny thing is Nadal isn't even that muscular, he just has a big left bicep.

I agree! ..For goodness sake, people. Go to a high school track event and look at the top level sprinters. While some of them may weight-train, a great many don't and MOST are more muscular that Nadal. ..This isn't to say that he isn't using steroids, just that his build should not in anyway be considered evidence that he is.

namelessone · Oct 30, 2009

Well according to some posters he has already been caught but obviously only they are enlightened so we can only hope that we will too,someday,see the light like them.

But on a more serious note,Nadal has been accused of doping since circa 2004. 5 years have passed and Nadal has been about the same size,the exception being his 5 kg loss since his last tendinitis flare-up. Ever since his "suspension" this year,his movement is still damn good though not quite the same(not the same explosion due to him losing a lot of muscle mass in the legs) and his stamina is still great,even though he isn't "using" right now according to some posters.

The biggest question about the ATP cover-up that is supposedly going on is why have the ATP been covering Nadal since before he was a star? If Nadal can fool the ATP since 2004 due to weak testing,what's to stop other players from doing the same? And why is Nadal is the only one to be questioned? You seriously think other guys don't have access to PED's and EPO? Nadal has big muscles and that brings him into the doping spotlight but what about guys who never sweat? What about Federer,who hardly sweats? But of course people will say that this his economical game is the cause for this. I would believe this if I didn't know that McEnroe,who had one of the most beautiful games in tennis,took steroids back then,although he says he did it unknowingly. Korda wasn't exactly the hulk either and he got caught.

And if the Spanish Government is refusing to make public the fuentes list,what's to stop them from crossing out a few huge names from soccer,tennis,other sports and just releasing a list with some big names,but not too big? Or better yet,what's to stop anyone from messing with the evidence,in this case the bags of blood that are to be tested(from what I know,not all have been tested)?

And if Nadal isn't "collaborating" with fuentes anymore,where does he get his drugs from nowadays? Fuentes was arrested in 2006 so I ask again,who are Nadal's suppliers for whatever he is using? Nadal kept winning big until mid 2009 so presumably he stocked up on whatever he was using and was fooling the testers just at the right time.

There is absolutely no way we can know if player x or y is innocent.It's a sad reality but that's the way it is with sports nowadays.

@hifi heretic,I totally agree with your post. If Nadal is using,he is doing so to recuperate or have better stamina,not to get bigger. There are guys out there,even in tennis,way bigger or more cut than Nadal(see monfils) but who run out of breath after 2 sets. I would understand someone talking about Nadal doping if we look at his endurance level,but to use his body type as evidence for doping is laughable IMO.

Cesc Fabregas · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
There's no proof that it's a doctored photo. I don't think it is.

Its clearly photoshopped, thats the only photo of Nadal being that muscular, look at this picture

Theres, nothing incredible about Nadal's muscle mass in this photo.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Tdot said:
I don't care what he he claims. There's no way he can get those guns without doing some kind of resistance training (either weights or bodyweight training like push ups/pull ups). If you are a fat slob who takes steroids, thinking that by doing so will make you look like Arnold the terminator then good luck..

He doesn't just sit around. He's on the practice courts for more hours per day than just about any other top player. I don't think he has time to work out much. He just plays a ton of tennis. And we all know you can't build up muscles like that just from playing tennis. Heck, Federer plays almost as much tennis as Nadal and he swings a much heavier racquet with big swings and he's nowhere near as muscular as Nadal. Not even close.

hifi heretic · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
There's no proof that it's a doctored photo. I don't think it is.

please. ..As with many of these novelty photos there is a convenient shadow in the neck area. Plus, the angle of his head in relation to his body looks askew. .It's doctored dude. ..I really can't proof it to your satisfaction, but it's pretty clear to me.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Cesc Fabregas said:
Its clearly photoshopped, thats the only photo of Nadal being that muscular, look at this picture

Theres, nothing incredible about Nadal's muscle mass in this photo.

There's a big difference between hitting the ball and sitting around as far as how your muscles look.

Why would they doctor a photo of him hitting the ball at the Australian Open that doesn't even show his whole upper body?

How do we know that pic of him sitting there is not doctored?

veroniquem · Oct 30, 2009

Cesc Fabregas said:
Its clearly photoshopped, thats the only photo of Nadal being that muscular, look at this picture

Theres, nothing incredible about Nadal's muscle mass in this photo.

Nadal's physique is a dream come true. Whatever he's doing to get it, I can only hope he never stops

Cesc Fabregas · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
There's a big difference between hitting the ball and sitting around as far as how your muscles look.

Why would they doctor a photo of him hitting the ball at the Australian Open that doesn't even show his whole upper body?

How do we know that pic of him sitting there is not doctored?

Most photos of Nadal show him like that, heres another one for you

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
He doesn't just sit around. He's on the practice courts for more hours per day than just about any other top player. I don't think he has time to work out much. He just plays a ton of tennis. And we all know you can't build up muscles like that just from playing tennis. Heck, Federer plays almost as much tennis as Nadal and he swings a much heavier racquet with big swings and he's nowhere near as muscular as Nadal. Not even close.

If he doesn't do weights how do you explain the relativity in size of his right arm to his left arm ? clearly, if he didn't do any kind of resistance training to balance his body out, he would have ended up with a tiny right arm.

From following tennis for the past couple of years, i've learned pros do not reveal everything about themselves to public no matter how insignificant the detail is.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

hifi heretic said:
please. ..As with many of these novelty photos there is a convenient shadow in the neck area. Plus, the angle of his head in relation to his body looks askew. .It's doctored dude. ..I really can't proof it to your satisfaction, but it's pretty clear to me.

There's a shadow by his neck because his head is blocking the intense bright sun of the Australian summer at the Aus Open. No, his head does not look askew at all. His head is exactly where it's supposed to be when hitting a two-handed backhand.

veroniquem · Oct 30, 2009

To Cesc Fabrega- You know BreakPoint is in complete bad faith, Everybody knows Nadal is lean and not overmuscular.

namelessone · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
There's a big difference between hitting the ball and sitting around as far as how your muscles look.

Why would they doctor a photo of him hitting the ball at the Australian Open that doesn't even show his whole upper body?

How do we know that pic of him sitting there is not doctored?

Oh yes,they doctored a pic of Nadal sitting around. I don't see what the hell is so great about Nadal's physique. Seriously. The guy has one big bicep,almost no pecs,has broad shoulders but not too broad(average I would say),doesn't have a clear cut six-pack and that's about it. Guys like Tsonga,Tursunov(and there are many others) have bigger build and bigger muscles and there are guys way more cut than Nadal(monfils comes to mind).
So Nadal isn't that great on the muscle size scale and he isn't that great on the low body fat scale. He's somewhere in between,an average guy with a big bicep muscle.

I am 23 years old,never went to the gym,but I do regular push-up almost everyday since I was 21 and with the exception of the bicep, I would have to say that my body looks better overall(more defined) than Nadal. And mind you,I am not an athlete like Nadal,who has access to better gear,trainers and supplements than me and can get bigger or more cut faster than I can. And somehow I don't think a few pushup-pullups will really clutter Nadal's tight schedule.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Cesc Fabregas said:
Most photos of Nadal show him like that, heres another one for you

Again, he's not hitting the ball in those pics.

Here's another one of him not hitting the ball:

Cesc Fabregas · Oct 30, 2009

veroniquem said:
To Cesc Fabrega- You know BreakPoint is in complete bad faith, Everybody knows Nadal is lean and not overmuscular.

True, talking to BreakPoint is like talking to a brick wall at times.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Tdot said:
If he doesn't do weights how do you explain the relativity in size of his right arm to his left arm ? clearly, if he didn't do any kind of resistance training to balance his body out, he would have ended up with a tiny right arm.

From following tennis for the past couple of years, i've learned pros do not reveal everything about themselves to public no matter how insignificant the detail is.

First of all, he's a natural right-hander so he does everything with his right arm, except play tennis.

Second, he hits a two-handed backhand which uses his right arm.

Third, his left arm is indeed bigger than his right arm.

veroniquem · Oct 30, 2009

Cesc Fabregas said:
True, talking to BreakPoint is like talking to a brick wall at times.

I think the "at times" is too generous :???:

All-rounder · Oct 30, 2009

If nadal can get biceps that big without weights then i need to learn his workout routines

35ft6 · Oct 30, 2009

I don't think Nadal does a lot of heavy lifting, otherwise, his arms would be way more symmetrical.

namelessone · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
Again, he's not hitting the ball in those pics.

Here's another one of him not hitting the ball:

Showing a picture of Nadal flexing his bicep isn't helping your case. The best way to tell if a person is muscled up(as in size) or cut is to look at them while not doing physical activities such as sports,but at rest,you know,like Nadal is doing in the beach pic.

I think Nadal did get some work done in the gym to build up that left bicep early on(it was big in his first match with Fed in 2004)which does help him in executing that loopy FH but I don't see much evidence of steroid use/gym workout in the rest of Nadal's body. Unless there is some magic drug that only grows your left bicep.

big bang · Oct 30, 2009

so many people here who seem to have an interest in sports and yet so many retards who have absolutely no clue what you can achive with proper physical training:shock:

Tdot · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
First of all, he's a natural right-hander so he does everything with his right arm, except play tennis.

Second, he hits a two-handed backhand which uses his right arm.

Third, his left arm is indeed bigger than his right arm.

sigh... look, do you seriously think picking up forks and punching phone numbers will get you big arms ?

Agreed that he uses two handed backhand and through doing so, his right hand get some work out as well but even then, how can it be that big ?

If you are thinking of countering whatever i said above with "Well that's why i said he must have used steroids" then please try to remember this simple bodybuilding fact: you need to push heavy weights with low reps to attain muscle growth, light weights high reps (like in the case of tennis) will only result in toning not increase in size. I don't care if you are the manliest of man in the world with a testosterone level like a bull's, if the only thing that you do every day is swinging a tennis racket, you will not get an arm like Nadal's.

Good nutrition, good work out routines and some genetic predisposition will results in wonders for muscle development. Heck, i can even show you pictures of natural bodybuilders that are bigger than Nadal.

Whether Nadal does steroid or not we do not know but I think it's highly unlikely that is the case due to stringent testings that occur today in tennis. Until we have some evidence that he did juice, please refrain from calling him a juicer since it's disrespectful for a good and hardworking player like Nadal. It's just wrong to say an athlete juice just because he's muscular.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

namelessone said:
Showing a picture of Nadal flexing his bicep isn't helping your case. The best way to tell if a person is muscled up(as in size) or cut is to look at them while not doing physical activities such as sports,but at rest,you know,like Nadal is doing in the beach pic.

I think Nadal did get some work done in the gym to build up that left bicep early on(it was big in his first match with Fed in 2004)which does help him in executing that loopy FH but I don't see much evidence of steroid use/gym workout in the rest of Nadal's body. Unless there is some magic drug that only grows your left bicep.

I used to lift weights and my biceps were nowhere near the size of Nadal's. Not even close. Nadal says he's never lifted weights.

Cesc Fabregas · Oct 30, 2009

BreakPoint said:
I used to lift weights and my biceps were nowhere near the size of Nadal's. Not even close. Nadal says he's never lifted weights.

Nadal is blessed, he is naturally athletic, strong and talented guy unlike your 2 favourites Haas and Gasquet.

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Tdot said:
sigh... look, do you seriously think picking up forks and punching phone numbers will get you big arms ?

Agreed that he uses two handed backhand and through doing so, his right hand get some work out as well but even then, how can it be that big ?

If you are thinking of countering whatever i said above with "Well that's why i said he must have used steroids" then please try to remember this simple bodybuilding fact: you need to push heavy weights with low reps to attain muscle growth, light weights high reps (like in the case of tennis) will only result in toning not increase in size. I don't care if you are the manliest of man in the world with a testosterone level like a bull's, if the only thing that you do every day is swinging a tennis racket, you will not get an arm like Nadal's.

Good nutrition, good work out routines and some genetic predisposition will results in wonders for muscle development. Heck, i can even show you pictures of natural bodybuilders that are bigger than Nadal.

Whether Nadal does steroid or not we do not know but I think it's highly unlikely that is the case due to stringent testings that occur today in tennis. Until we have some evidence that he did juice, please refrain from calling him a juicer since it's disrespectful for a good and hardworking player like Nadal. It's just wrong to say an athlete juice just because he's muscular.

You've just presented a very convincing argument that Nadal must take something since he never lifts weights. :shock:

BreakPoint · Oct 30, 2009

Cesc Fabregas said:
Nadal is blessed, he is naturally athletic, strong and talented guy unlike your 2 favourites Haas and Gasquet.

Yes, Nadal must be very talented for muscles to pop out naturally all over his body without ever lifting weights. :shock:

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