I know why Nadal/et all use small grips...

Nanshiki

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People say Nadal, and lots of other Spanish clay court grinders use small grips is for "more spin," which is true, but it's more complicated than that...

To put it simply, it's because you can't properly use a full Western grip without a small handle.

The reason is that the ratio between the angle of the racquet face and the amount you have to turn your wrist to have it at a usable (open enough) angle to hit a hard, deep shot with the spin that a wristy, looping Western stroke can give you is too much with a big grip.

Try it with a 1/4th or 3/8th, and then try it with a 1/2 or 5/8ths. You can tell just by looking that the smaller grips let you turn your racquet to where you can use the full western grip with a neutral face instead of a closed one, and this lets you hit something besides a high looping topspin shot, like what would happen if you use your 'normal' grip size.

This is ability to turn the racquet face to a wider range of angles also means that you are also able to turn it faster, increasing your topspin potential greatly, as it allows you to stroke around the ball instead of simply up the back, or through it.

Of course, on the flip side this also means that your racquet is more suspect to torque when it impacts a heavy shot. This is why a larger grip is better for people who hit flatter, harder shots and like to be able to return heavy shots easily. With a lower ratio of racquet face rotation to grip rotation (the closer to 1, the better for flat. The higher this ratio, meaning a smaller grip, the better for spin production), the energy from the balls you hit turns the face less, giving you better stability.

I for one prefer a bigger grip...which is why I use 1/2".
 

nfor304

Banned
You can use a full western grip with a larger grip size. It is certainly not impossible.

I do it every time I play. I have a full western forehand and use a 4 5/8 grip size and find it far more comfortable than using a smaller grip. My forehand is easily my best shot and i dont have problems flattening the ball out, or producing heavy spin either.

Its all about preference, rather than 'science'.
 

Nanshiki

Hall of Fame
You can use a full western grip with a larger grip size. It is certainly not impossible.

I do it every time I play. I have a full western forehand and use a 4 5/8 grip size and find it far more comfortable than using a smaller grip. My forehand is easily my best shot and i dont have problems flattening the ball out, or producing heavy spin either.

Its all about preference, rather than 'science'.

It's not impossible, it's hard to have an open racquet face with a grip that big. I'm sure you figured out a different way to make it work.
 

Nanshiki

Hall of Fame
Nanshinki...Japanese?

Well all of this all ready posted on a website called Tennis.com!

IIRC that article just says "people are using smaller grips nowadays because it's better for spin," which says little about why it's more suitable for spin and the Western grip.
 
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Deleted member 25923

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I prefer a larger grip (4 1/2) because it feels more stable. I do have a moderate amount of topspin in my game.
 

jamauss

Hall of Fame
It's not about spin or grip dude - it's about being able to use wrist to a greater degree. I've played only 1/8 or 1/4 for the past 4 years...I can tell you all about it.
 

ronalditop

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I prefer a larger grip (4 1/2) because it feels more stable. I do have a moderate amount of topspin in my game.

Larger grips do help adding stability. I have always prefered smaller grips, but I had to use a big grip because the racquet felt way too unestable with the smaller grip. That was when I knew nothing about customization. Now that I have more knowledge about it I can use smaller grips, but I also add lead at the head to compensate for the less stability that the smaller grip provides.
 

Nanshiki

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I prefer a larger grip (4 1/2) because it feels more stable. I do have a moderate amount of topspin in my game.

It doesn't just feel more stable; it IS more stable. You have more leverage over the racquet face, and to an extent you also have more surface area of grip to hold on to. Bigger grip diameter = more leverage. More surface area = more friction. Combine these two and you get more stability, but you don't get the added spin that comes from the wrist action.
 

Nanshiki

Hall of Fame
It's not about spin or grip dude - it's about being able to use wrist to a greater degree. I've played only 1/8 or 1/4 for the past 4 years...I can tell you all about it.

I mentioned this. Yes, the wrist action is a big part of the additional spin potential. If you're not using the Western grip, the ability to open the racquet face up matters a lot less.
 

wangs78

Legend
People say Nadal, and lots of other Spanish clay court grinders use small grips is for "more spin," which is true, but it's more complicated than that...

To put it simply, it's because you can't properly use a full Western grip without a small handle.

The reason is that the ratio between the angle of the racquet face and the amount you have to turn your wrist to have it at a usable (open enough) angle to hit a hard, deep shot with the spin that a wristy, looping Western stroke can give you is too much with a big grip.

Try it with a 1/4th or 3/8th, and then try it with a 1/2 or 5/8ths. You can tell just by looking that the smaller grips let you turn your racquet to where you can use the full western grip with a neutral face instead of a closed one, and this lets you hit something besides a high looping topspin shot, like what would happen if you use your 'normal' grip size.

This is ability to turn the racquet face to a wider range of angles also means that you are also able to turn it faster, increasing your topspin potential greatly, as it allows you to stroke around the ball instead of simply up the back, or through it.

Of course, on the flip side this also means that your racquet is more suspect to torque when it impacts a heavy shot. This is why a larger grip is better for people who hit flatter, harder shots and like to be able to return heavy shots easily. With a lower ratio of racquet face rotation to grip rotation (the closer to 1, the better for flat. The higher this ratio, meaning a smaller grip, the better for spin production), the energy from the balls you hit turns the face less, giving you better stability.

I for one prefer a bigger grip...which is why I use 1/2".

Makes sense to me, but I don't think you are saying anything new really. Ppl already knew this except no one wanted to explain it this way so they stuck with the abbreviated explanation which "Yeah, a smaller grip allows you to apply more spin"
 

Nanshiki

Hall of Fame
They do, until the grip wears down.

I bought an APD 3/8ths, but wish I had bought a 1/2.

Get a leather grip when you buy it, and it'll be just like you want it.
 
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