http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4He isn't American.
why do you think Roger hasn't done for Tennis what Tiger has done for golf?Tiger changed golf internationally. The first billion dollar athlete is one with more than major exsposure just in America.
Come on. So you two are saying only an American athlete can be transformational for any given sport! Thats just not true.
I often wonder are such statements made out of insecurity or hubris...
Tiger changed golf internationally. The first billion dollar athlete is one with more than major exsposure just in America.
Come on. So you two are saying only an American athlete can be transformational for any given sport! Thats just not true.
I often wonder are such statements made out of insecurity or hubris...
Tiger changed golf internationally. The first billion dollar athlete is one with more than major exsposure just in America.
Come on. So you two are saying only an American athlete can be transformational for any given sport! Thats just not true.
I often wonder are such statements made out of insecurity or hubris...
why do you think Roger hasn't done for Tennis what Tiger has done for golf?
Americans are more pervasive of world culture than the Swiss.
Money talks.
Golf is much more business oriented than tennis.
You can lose a golf match to a client while talking him up, have a few drinks, and close the deal all in one day.
And you don't even have to break a sweat.
How is tennis going to compete with a game like that for corporate sponsorships?
Why would they promote a non-golf corporate spokesman?
Even the game of tennis can not support its "heroes" the way golf can, with it's club memberships, green's fees, weekly tournament crowds, TV money, and equipment sales dwarfing tennis's earning capacity.
And...
(I can't emphasize this enough.)
You don't have to sweat to play golf.
(Plus you get to drive around in those fun little cars, bet and double down on each hole, and have those drinks at the 19th hole.)
How can you match the appeal of a game like that?
Federer doesn't stand a chance.
It's a lot of things, but I would also argue that Federer has done similar things for tennis as Woods has for golf, except that this isn't as evident in America where tennis has never rebounded back to the popularity it enjoyed in the McEnroe/Connors days. And it is true that executives play golf as a networking/deal-making outing in business circles far, far more than tennis. Plus, America has become a wasteland of the obese and the lazy, and it's much easier for them to ride or even walk during a round of golf in which the actual action accounts for no more than 60 seconds of physical exertion beyond walking from hole-to-hole, if they do choose to skip the golf cart. I'm American so this isn't a outsider view.
Well why not?
The two sports are the most similar of any 'major' sports I can think of. Both with similar pedigrees and history. Both athletes have (had before recent revelations) analagous public profiles as far as demeanor and dominance.
Whats wrong with Federer?
Tiger changed golf internationally. ...
And what exactly did Woods for golf?
Did the TV ratings go up? Nope.
We like to alternate between the two. :shock:
My guess on this matter is that golf is simply a more popular sport worldwide than tennis, ...
I thought Woods was the reason the Golf Channel became a must-have in all cable packages and hotel TV?
As an American here is what I think. Tiger has more flair. He had a good "story". Federer appears to have had a run of the mill tennis upbringing, and he certainly doesn't really show too much positive emotion while playing. Tiger does the fist pumps and all that.
2nd, most of the big tournaments in golf are broadcast live on NBC, on weekend days, which makes them more available to the average tv watcher here. No one is getting up at 3am to watch tennis on ESPN2 except hard core fans. NBC and ESPN2 are VASTLY different types of networks, and have vastly different qualities of broadcast.
3rd, video games. I never play video games and I have logged hours upon hours of playing Tiger Woods on Playstation because it's easy, you can create cool-looking avatars and golf is fun to play on a game.
4th, he's multi-racial. This was a huge story when he came out because there are so few black players in professional golf, and because golf has such a long history of discrimination. There are still whites-only golf courses!!! If Venus and Serena were males, they might have a similar effect (since male sports are generally more popular, and male tennis is just a much higher quality). I saw a poster of Serena on the railroad in NY today, months away from the US Open. America has a huge minority population, and anything a little bit different is going to cause a stir. Tiger did, and the fact that he followed up with GOAT results in golf, just made him even more popular. Federer is white, and he's bland (even though he's funny and cool) to the average American consumer.
5th, Tiger has no popularity competition in golf. All of his other opponents are white, OLD, male and boring. They wear ugly clothes. He is cool. He looks 1000 times better in comparison to them so everyone roots for him. Tiger, when he was starting out, affiliated himself with Michael Jordan, one of the most popular athletes of all time. Federer has had much sparkier opponents (Nadal, Baghdatis, Agassi). This makes for great rivalries but it doesn't set him apart and doesn't make him look spectacular personality-wise in comparison.
I rarely see a Federer commercial on regular tv, while I always see Tiger. He's just more popular.
A tad rambling but you get the idea.
And what exactly did Woods for golf?
Did the TV ratings go up? Nope.
Federer at least made the ratings go up again.
And how did he do that?
Internationally, I mean?
Do you just not know any better?
Tiger increased golf ratings substantially. And since his absence ratings have gone down.
Do you just not know any better?
Tiger increased golf ratings substantially. And since his absence ratings have gone down.
People in all over the world who probably never even been to a golf course or picked up a club in their lives know who Tiger Woods is. He's a transcendent figure. Even if you're not a golf fan, you tune in to cheer for Tiger.
Just look at how dramatic the difference is in events w/ Tiger and those w/o Tiger.
Exactly.
Why should someone who is not a golf fan tune in to cheer for Woods?
You sound like you're not American, in which case I'll excuse your oversight on this topic.
To be honest, it's very easy for people from America on here (where Woods is most popular) to come out and say how popular Woods is worldwide. True to an extent, but obviously, as most people on here are American, instead of how popular Woods is worldwide, they'll often be unwittingly commenting on how popular Woods is in America. So yes, Woods is bigger in America than Federer. No surprise there; he's American after all.
Federer is bigger in Europe than Tiger.
Far, far bigger.
There are even at least 200 football players who are bigger.
That's precisely the problem with this thread. We have Americans talking about how much more popular Woods is than Federer. Well of course he's more popular in America!
If Fed was American, and Woods was Swiss, I highly doubt Woods would have the same American following.
Tiger Woods is not just popular in America. As I have said the world's first billion dollar athlete does not have exposure only in America. He's problably one of the most marketable athletes in hstory, certainly greater than Federer in most regions including many European nations. There are several big international tournaments including one of the majors.
Federer is bigger in Europe than Tiger.
Far, far bigger.
There are even at least 200 football players who are bigger.
Whats wrong with Federer?
Take a look at the obesity rates in our great nation at some point. It should scare the bejeezus outta ya.Your American...
With friends like you, who needs enimies?
Well why not?
The two sports are the most similar of any 'major' sports I can think of. Both with similar pedigrees and history. Both athletes have (had before recent revelations) analagous public profiles as far as demeanor and dominance.
Whats wrong with Federer?
I answered "why" on the second post. He's American, which I believe gets him more worldwide exposure. And also, Golf was always a bit more popular than tennis.
I hope it doens't sound like I dislike Tiger or something by not putting it down to his character, but that's just the way I see it. If Woods was Swiss, I don't think he'd have the same popularity.
You mention footballers.
David Beckham plays soccer which is not that popular in America, yet he is very popular here.
Federer has not transcended the way Beckham has, or Tiger or Jordan.
Either there is some substantial weakness in Federer or a substantial weakness in tennis. I pick the former!
he's not american.that's what wrong with him.
The only place where tiger has raised interest is usa,the rest of the world couldn't care less.
Beckham has had a lot of fashion commitments, lots of marketing in America and he MOVED to America. That could be why you all love him there. And as malakas says, the popularity of football vastly exceeds that of tennis and golf.
Again, with you saying Fed has not transcended the sport, I think your American background is causing you to associate America's opinion with the opinion of the world.
I think when Murray played that 5 setter against Wawrinka at last year's Wimby it was watched by millions of Brits. More than the champion's league final that year IIRC. .