Rank top 10 players on all surfaces

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Dutch-Guy

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Rank top 10 players on all surfaces

0-5 : mediocre
6-8: good
9-10: best


1. Nadal:
Clay: 10
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 8

2. Djokovic
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

3. Federer:
Clay: 7
Grass: 10
Hardcourt: 10
Average on all surfaces: 9

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 7
Harcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

5. Soderling
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.6

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 5.3


8. Berdych
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

9. Roddick
Clay:3
Grass: 7
Hardcourt:8
Average on all surfaces: 6.

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 5
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 4.6

Conclusion: TMF is the best on all surfaces followed by The Bull of Mallorca.
 
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jones101

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Nadal is 8 on HC IMO, he is ine oh the most consistent performers on it and has a GS on it too. Id also put him 9 on grass, 4 finals in last 4 wimbys entered says it all.

Fed is higher on clay too, IMO.
 
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Dutch-Guy

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jones101 said:
Nadal is 8 on HC IMO, he is ine oh the most consistent performers on it and has a GS on it too.
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I'd rank Djokovic higher than Rafa on HC: 1 Slam,1 slam final,5 masters to Rafa's 1 Slam and 4 masters.

Id also put him 9 on grass, 4 finals in last 4 wimbys entered says it all.
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9=best,which 'd almost equal him to Fed who has 6 titles on that surface.

Fed is higher on clay too, IMO.
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How high/low shoulf he be ranked?
 
vortex1

vortex1

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Dutch-Guy said:
I'd rank Djokovic higher than Rafa on HC: 1 Slam,1 slam final,5 masters to Rafa's 1 Slam and 4 masters.
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Nadal also has olympic gold and he beat Djokovic on the way to it. Also Djokovic should be lower on clay, he hasn't made one RG final and has 0 wins against Nadal on clay.
 
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single_handed_champion

Professional
Yeah, Nadal at 10+9+8 sounds correct, Roger at 8+10+10 (though could argue for 9 on clay, since he has been so consistent on it, numerous finals, 1 RG). Why is Verdasco 5 on clay? He has actually been more consistent at RG, though his best results have been at the HC slams.
 
akv89

akv89

Hall of Fame
Dutch-Guy said:
Rank top 10 players on all surfaces

0-5 : mediocre
6-8: good
9-10: best


1. Nadal:
Clay: 10
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 8

2. Djokovic
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 7

3. Federer:
Clay: 7
Grass: 10
Hardcourt: 10
Average on all surfaces: 9

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 7
Harcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

5. Soderling
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.6

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 5.3


8. Berdych
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

9. Roddick
Clay:3
Grass: 7
Hardcourt:8
Average on all surfaces: 6.

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 5
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 4.6

Conclusion: TMF is the best on all surfaces followed by The Bull of Mallorca.
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Are we looking at their form right now or their peak form, or are we averaging their whole career?
If we look at their best, a rough approximation of these numbers would be 10x their win ratio over their best years. For example, Rafa has something like a 0.97 win ratio on clay (97%), which translates to a 9.7 on your scale.
 
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muzza123

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Another thread where people can argue over the accuracy of numbers pulled out of their a55e5.

Keep up the good work boys! ;)
 
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LeoR

Banned
1. Nadal:
Clay: 11
Grass: 9,5
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 9,5

2. Djokovic
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 8

3. Federer:
Clay: 8,5
Grass: 9.5
Hardcourt: 9,5
Average on all surfaces: 9

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 8
Harcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 8

5. Soderling
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 7

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 6,5


8. Berdych
Clay: 6,5
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 7

9. Roddick
Clay:2
Grass: 8
Hardcourt:7
Average on all surfaces: 6,5

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 6,5


I did not calcul the average but rather gave an "overall" mark.

So, to me, Nadal is the best player of the top 10 (which is perfectly in agreement with the ATP rankings) and Soderling the weakest (which is not in agreement with the ATP rankings).
 
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Dutch-Guy

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akv89 said:
Are we looking at their form right now or their peak form, or are we averaging their whole career?
If we look at their best, a rough approximation of these numbers would be 10x their win ratio over their best years. For example, Rafa has something like a 0.97 win ratio on clay (97%), which translates to a 9.7 on your scale.
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There you have it.
Btw this is my rankings,which is based on what each of them has achieved so far on any of those surfaces.
 
Semi-Pro

Semi-Pro

Hall of Fame
LeoR said:
1. Nadal:
Clay: 11
Grass: 9,5
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 9,5

2. Djokovic
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 8

3. Federer:
Clay: 8,5
Grass: 9.5
Hardcourt: 9,5
Average on all surfaces: 9

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 8
Harcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 8

5. Soderling
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 7

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 6,5


8. Berdych
Clay: 6,5
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 7

9. Roddick
Clay:2
Grass: 8
Hardcourt:7
Average on all surfaces: 6,5

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 6,5


I did not calcul the average but rather gave an "overall" mark.

So, to me, Nadal is the best player of the top 10 (which is perfectly in agreement with the ATP rankings) and Soderling the weakest (which is not in agreement with the ATP rankings).
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Your post is SPEWING of bias.

Nadal at 11 for clay? Cool, because I thought the scale we were looking at started from 1 and ended at 10.

You rank both Federer and Nadal on grass the same, I don't see how that adds up, mind if you expand on your reasoning for this one?...because I can't think of a logical answer. One has 2 Wimbledons, 3? grass titles and the other has 6 Wimbledons and 11 or so grass titles.

Soderling a 6 on clay? The guy made 2 consecutive FO finals. lol
 
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Jchurch

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LeoR said:
1. Nadal:
Clay: 11
Grass: 9,5
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 9,5

2. Djokovic
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 8

3. Federer:
Clay: 8,5
Grass: 9.5
Hardcourt: 9,5
Average on all surfaces: 9

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 8
Harcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 8

5. Soderling
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 7

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 6,5


8. Berdych
Clay: 6,5
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 7

9. Roddick
Clay:2
Grass: 8
Hardcourt:7
Average on all surfaces: 6,5

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 7,5
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 6,5


I did not calcul the average but rather gave an "overall" mark.

So, to me, Nadal is the best player of the top 10 (which is perfectly in agreement with the ATP rankings) and Soderling the weakest (which is not in agreement with the ATP rankings).
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I mean shouldn't Federer be a 11 on Hard Court also then? he has 9 Majors to Nadal's 1. Heck maybe even a 12. How do you justify the 9.5 on grass to both?
 
kishnabe

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
1. Nadal:
Clay: 12
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 8.6

2. Djokovic
Clay: 8
Grass: 5
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 7

3. Federer:
Clay: 8
Grass: 12
Hardcourt: 10
Average on all surfaces: 10

4. Murray
Clay: 4
Grass: 8
Harcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

5. Soderling
Clay: 8
Grass: 7
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 7.33

6. Davydenko
Clay: 7
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 5.6

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 5.3


8. Berdych
Clay: 6
Grass: 7
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 6.66

9. Roddick
Clay:3
Grass: 9
Hardcourt:8
Average on all surfaces: 6.66

10. Verdasco:
Clay:7
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 6
 
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dmt

Hall of Fame
Dutch-Guy said:
Rank top 10 players on all surfaces

0-5 : mediocre
6-8: good
9-10: best


1. Nadal:
Clay: 10
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 8

2. Djokovic
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

3. Federer:
Clay: 7
Grass: 10
Hardcourt: 10
Average on all surfaces: 9

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 7
Harcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

5. Soderling
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.6

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 5.3


8. Berdych
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

9. Roddick
Clay:3
Grass: 7
Hardcourt:8
Average on all surfaces: 6.

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 5
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 4.6

Conclusion: TMF is the best on all surfaces followed by The Bull of Mallorca.
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1.Nadal

Clay:10
Grass:9
Hardcourt: 8

Average: 9

Ps anyone who gives Nadal a 6 on hard is either very biased or doesnt have a clue of what they are talking about. The guy is the third most successfull hardcourter of his generation behind Federer and Djokovic.

2. Djokovic

Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourts: 8.5

Average: 7.16.....

3. Federer

Clay: 8
Grass: 10
Hardcourts: 9.5

Average: 9.16

4. Murray

Clay: 5
Grass: 7
Hardcourt: 8

Average: 6. 66

5. Soderling

Clay: 7.5
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: ??

6. Davydenko

Clay: 7
Grass: 3
Hardcourts: 8

Average : 6

7. Del Potro

Clay: 6
Grass: 2
Hardcourts: 8

Average: 5.3

8. Berdych

Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hard: 6

9. Roddick

Clay: 3
Grass: 8
Hardcourts: 7

Average: 6

10. Verdasco

Clay: 6
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 6

Average: 5
 
mtr1

mtr1

Professional
Nadal
Clay:10
Grass:8
Hard:7
Average: 8.3

Djokovic
Clay:7
Grass:5
Hard:8
Average: 6.7

Federer
Clay:8
Grass:10
Hard:10
Average: 9.3

Murray
Clay:5
Grass:7
Hard:8
Average: 6.7

Soderling
Clay:7
Grass:5
Hard:6
Average: 6

Davydenko
Clay:6
Grass:5
Hard:8
Average: 6.3

Del Potro
Clay:6
Grass:4
Hard:8
Average: 6

Berdych
Clay:6
Grass:7
Hard:6
Average: 6.3

Roddick
Clay:3
Grass:8
Hard:7
Average: 6

Verdasco
Clay:6
Grass:4
Hard:6
Average: 5.3
 
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dmt

Hall of Fame
I wonder why Murray and Davydenko are getting 8s on hardcourts when neither of them actually has a slam on that surface, while Nadal does. Nadal should atleast get the same score as those two.
 
Li Ching Yuen

Li Ching Yuen

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What surfaces?

There's a major tournament taking place on grass while the trillion rest are being played on clay or hard court.

Really pointless thread.
 
Nadalfan89

Nadalfan89

Hall of Fame
It's not fair for Nadal to be within 1-10 on clay because Federer is about a 9 on clay and Nadal completely destroys him on clay.

Nadal should get a 11 or 12 on clay, and if he can't, no one should be able to get hgiher than 8.
 
Mustard

Mustard

Bionic Poster
1. Rafael Nadal
Clay: 10
Grass: 9
Hardcourt: 8

Average: 9

2. Novak Djokovic
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 8

Average: 7

3. Roger Federer
Clay: 9
Grass: 10
Hardcourt: 10

Average: 9.7

4. Andy Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 7
Hardcourt: 8

Average: 6.7

5. Robin Soderling
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 7

Average: 6.7

6. Nikolay Davydenko
Clay: 7
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 7

Average: 6

7. Juan Martin del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 5
Hardcourt: 8

Average: 6.3

8. Tomas Berdych
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6

Average: 6

9. Andy Roddick
Clay: 3
Grass: 8
Hardcourt: 8

Average: 6.3

10. Fernando Verdasco
Clay: 6
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 7

Average: 5.3
 
mtr1

mtr1

Professional
dmt said:
I wonder why Murray and Davydenko are getting 8s on hardcourts when neither of them actually has a slam on that surface, while Nadal does. Nadal should atleast get the same score as those two.
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Looking at my list, I seem to have made that mistake. I would move Nadal up to an 8 if I were to do my list again.
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
1. Nadal:
Clay: 10
Grass: 9
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 9

2. Djokovic
Clay: 8
Grass: 5
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 7.3

3. Federer:
Clay: 8
Grass: 10
Hardcourt: 10
Average on all surfaces: 9.3

4. Murray
Clay: 6
Grass: 8
Harcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 7.6

5. Soderling
Clay: 8
Grass: 7
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 7.6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 8
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 7

7. Del Potro
Clay: 7
Grass: 0 (only because he's done nothing on the surface yet, can improve in the future though)
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 5.3


8. Berdych
Clay: 7
Grass: 7
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 7.3

9. Roddick
Clay: 6
Grass: 9
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 8.

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 7
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.3

Federer is the ultimate all surface player while Nadal is a close 2nd. Surprisngly, I think Roddick is a close 3rd considering he's awesome on grass and hard courts and he played some good clay matches as well (nothing great, but not as bad as people make him). Murray and Soderling share the 4th place, and Djoko and Berdych are 5th. DP shares a spot with Verdasco but only because DP has no ranking on grass since he barely won matches on that surface. Keep in mind I consider him a FAR greater player than Verdasco, who will leave the top 10 very soon IMO.
 
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VGP

VGP

Legend
All this thread does is remind me how homogenized the tour is now.

Makes me wish it were like it was in the late 80s to early 90s......when there were essentially six surfaces on tour.

red clay
har-tru
rebound ace
deco-turf II
carpet
grass

(slow to fast - not accounting for variations)

....no wonder Federer's got 16 majors and Nadal's got 8.
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
Nadalfan89 said:
It's not fair for Nadal to be within 1-10 on clay because Federer is about a 9 on clay and Nadal completely destroys him on clay.

Nadal should get a 11 or 12 on clay, and if he can't, no one should be able to get hgiher than 8.
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Nadal only destroyed Federer once on clay (FO 08). Otherwise their matches on clay have been really close most of the time with Federer almost winning a few and even having MPs at the Rome 06 final. They almost always went the distance in sets as well. Nadal is amazing on clay but Fed also gave him tough matches and beat him twice as well. I don't think Fed deserves a 9 on clay (an 8 is more appropriate) but he does on grass. He won the freaking grass event for 6 times already!
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
dmt said:
I wonder why Murray and Davydenko are getting 8s on hardcourts when neither of them actually has a slam on that surface, while Nadal does. Nadal should atleast get the same score as those two.
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You have a point, but here's my explanation:

I think both Davy and Murray are superior HC players (not by much though) but Nadal is the FAR greater match player, especially in slams. In fact, if we add a "match player" category to this list, nobody would even come close to Fed and Nadal, they are far above everyone else on "that surface" :)

Davy is one of the best HC players in recent years and have beaten Nadal 5 times on that surface, but he's a poor match player which is why he never even made a slam final (no matter the surface). He's shown an improvment in the last year but failed again against Federer at their AO match. Davy will only win a slam if he improves in that regard.
 
T

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
You guys make me laugh by giving player a 10+ point when 10 is the maximum. I don’t believe any player deserve a 10 b/c it’s saying that player has NO flaw. Even gymnastics abandoned the “perfect 10” scoring system.
 
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LeoR

Banned
Semi-Pro said:
Your post is SPEWING of bias.
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You have the right to disagree with me.

Nadal at 11 for clay? Cool, because I thought the scale we were looking at started from 1 and ended at 10.
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Because he is really really good on clay. Best ever probably.

You rank both Federer and Nadal on grass the same, I don't see how that adds up, mind if you expand on your reasoning for this one?...because I can't think of a logical answer. One has 2 Wimbledons, 3? grass titles and the other has 6 Wimbledons and 11 or so grass titles.
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I take account Federer prime and now, and since 2008, Nadal is the superior player on grass. So, with a mix of whole career and currently I put that rankings on both.
 
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LeoR

Banned
P_Agony said:
You have a point, but here's my explanation:

I think both Davy and Murray are superior HC players (not by much though) but Nadal is the FAR greater match player, especially in slams. In fact, if we add a "match player" category to this list, nobody would even come close to Fed and Nadal, they are far above everyone else on "that surface" :)

Davy is one of the best HC players in recent years and have beaten Nadal 5 times on that surface, but he's a poor match player which is why he never even made a slam final (no matter the surface). He's shown an improvment in the last year but failed again against Federer at their AO match. Davy will only win a slam if he improves in that regard.
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That's strange. How can you be a better hardcourt player by having inferior results during all your carreer?

Because Nadal is stronger on clay, they think he is not a great hardcourt player, but he is easily top 5 on that surface.
 
C

Cloudy

Semi-Pro
how are these figures calculated. Performance over entire career (which surely is unfair because for example Federer is several years into his career whereas someone like Del Potro is at the start of his) or current form.

In any event, Nadal has won the last two consecutive wimbledons that he has played so surely he is at least a 9 on grass.

How are these points made up. For example Nadal has a hard court slam and Murray doesn't. Are the slams given more weight in this calculation?

Also if you are looking over entire career, someone like Kolya has several MS titles on hard and several quarter and semis in slams. Is this overall more consistent than someone like Del Potro who has a slam but not the same results in MS tournaments, but then he is a lot younger so hasn't had the opportunities yet.

If we are going on potential we could make up any figures. What is the meaning of this thread?

Federer doesn't do as well outside slams does this dumb down his performance overall and again there aren't many grass tournaments to play on other than wimbers it's likely if he played 2 or 3 grass events he might not win all of those if it reflects his performance in MS and lesser tournaments.
 
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sjam316

Rookie
1. Nadal:
Clay: 10
Grass: 9
Hardcourt: 8.5
Average on all surfaces: 9.2

2. Djokovic
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

3. Federer:
Clay: 9
Grass: 10
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 9.3

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 7
Harcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

5. Soderling
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.6

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 5.3


8. Berdych
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

9. Roddick
Clay:3
Grass: 8
Hardcourt:8
Average on all surfaces: 6.3

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 6
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.3

Nadal and Federer are probably the greatest players of all time on their respective surfaces (Nadal-clay, Federer-grass), I don't think there's any valid argument for why they shouldn't have 10s.
 
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fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
sjam316 said:
1. Nadal:
Clay: 10
Grass: 9
Hardcourt: 8.5
Average on all surfaces: 9.2

2. Djokovic
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

3. Federer:
Clay: 9
Grass: 10
Hardcourt: 9
Average on all surfaces: 9.3

4. Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 7
Harcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

5. Soderling
Clay: 7
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6.6

6. Davydenko
Clay: 6
Grass: 4
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.6

7. Del Potro
Clay: 6
Grass: 2
Hardcourt: 8
Average on all surfaces: 5.3


8. Berdych
Clay: 6
Grass: 6
Hardcourt: 6
Average on all surfaces: 6

9. Roddick
Clay:3
Grass: 8
Hardcourt:8
Average on all surfaces: 6.3

10. Verdasco:
Clay: 6
Grass: 3
Hardcourt: 7
Average on all surfaces: 5.3

Nadal and Federer are probably the greatest players of all time on their respective surfaces (Nadal-clay, Federer-grass), I don't think there's any valid argument for why they shouldn't have 10s.
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why is the guy with ONE HC slam title a 8.5, while the other with 9 HC slam titles, 4 YEC master's championships rated at 9?
 
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petetheileet

Rookie
Feds maybe even 10 on HC....

honestly he would be the best ever on the surface... in Grand slams since 04 look whats it has taken to beat him on that surface....

mono and 3 of the greatest performances i have ever seen
 
OKUSA

OKUSA

Hall of Fame
Default
Nadal
Clay:10
Grass:8.5
Hard:7.5
Average: 8.67

Djokovic
Clay:7
Grass:4
Hard:8
Average: 6.3

Federer
Clay:9
Grass:10
Hard:10
Average: 9.67

Murray
Clay:5
Grass:7
Hard:7
Average: 6.3

Soderling
Clay:8
Grass:5
Hard:6.5
Average: 6.5

Davydenko
Clay:5
Grass:3
Hard:8
Average: 5.3

Del Potro
Clay:7
Grass:5
Hard:8.5
Average: 6.83

Berdych
Clay:6
Grass:7
Hard:7
Average: 6.67

Roddick
Clay:3
Grass:8
Hard:8
Average: 6.3

Verdasco
Clay:6
Grass:4
Hard:5
Average: 5
 
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aldeayeah

aldeayeah

G.O.A.T.
akv89 said:
Are we looking at their form right now or their peak form, or are we averaging their whole career?
If we look at their best, a rough approximation of these numbers would be 10x their win ratio over their best years. For example, Rafa has something like a 0.97 win ratio on clay (97%), which translates to a 9.7 on your scale.
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I'll do exactly that! (disclaimer: source is Wikipedia)

Nadal (2005-2010) Clay: 9.7 Grass: 8.4 Hard: 7.8
Djokovic (2007-2009) Clay: 7.8 Grass: 7.6 Hard: 8.0
Federer (2003-2009) Clay: 8.5 Grass: 9.9 Hard: 8.8
Murray (2008-2009) Clay: 6.8 Grass: 9.0 Hard: 8.5
Roddick (2003-2010) Clay: 6.2 Grass: 8.4 Hard: 8.0
Del Potro (2009) Clay: 7.5 Grass: 5.0 Hard: 7.9

...and because I know you guys love these things:

Peak Nadal Clay: 10.0 (2006, 2010) Grass: 10.0 (2008) Hard: 8.2 (2008)
Peak Djokovic Clay: 8.4 (2008) Grass: 8.0 (2009) Hard: 8.3 (2009)
Peak Federer Clay: 9.0 (2009) Grass: 10.0 (2003-2007, 2009) Hard: 9.8 (2005)
Peak Murray Clay: 7.5 (2009) Grass: 9.1 (2009) Hard: 9.0 (2009)
Peak Roddick Clay: 7.7 (2005) Grass: 9.2 (2004, 2005) Hard: 8.4 (2004)
Peak Del Potro Clay: 7.5 (2009) Grass: 5.0 (2009) Hard: 7.9 (2009)

...and just for the hell of it:

Hewitt (2001-2005) Clay: 7.1 Grass: 8.5 Hard: 8.2
Agassi (1988-1996, 1998-2005) Clay: 7.4 Grass: 7.6 Hard: 8.1
Sampras (1992-2000) Clay: 6.8 Grass: 9.1 Hard: 8.6
Edberg (1985-1992) Clay: 7.1 Grass: 8.5 Hard: 8.4
Wilander (1982-1988) Clay: 8.7 Grass: 8.0 Hard: 8.3

Peak Hewitt Clay: 7.4 (2001) Grass: 10.0 (2002) Hard: 8.3 (2001)
Peak Agassi: Clay: 9.1 (1988) Grass: 10.0 (1992) Hard: 9.5 (1995)
Peak Sampras: Clay: 8.6 (1994) Grass: 10.0 (1995, 1999) Hard: 9.3 (1994)
Peak Edberg: Clay: 8.8 (1989) Grass: 9.2 (1988) Hard: 8.9 (1987)
Peak Wilander Clay: 9.5 (1983) Grass: 9.2 (1983) Hard: 9.4 (1988)

Ranking by surface:

Clay: Nadal 9.7, Wilander 8.7, Federer 8.5, Djokovic 7.8, Del Potro 7.5, Agassi 7.4, Hewitt 7.1, Edberg 7.1, Sampras 6.8, Murray 6.8, Roddick 6.2
Grass: Federer 9.9, Sampras 9.1, Murray 9.0, Hewitt 8.5, Edberg 8.5, Nadal 8.4, Roddick 8.4, Wilander 8.0, Djokovic 7.6, Agassi 7.6, Del Potro 5.0
Hard: Federer 8.8, Sampras 8.6, Murray 8.5, Edberg 8.4, Wilander 8.3, Hewitt 8.2, Agassi 8.1, Djokovic 8.0, Roddick 8.0, Del Potro 7.9, Nadal 7.8
Average: Federer 9.1, Nadal 8.6, Wilander 8.3, Sampras 8.2, Murray 8.1, Edberg 8.0, Hewitt 7.9, Agassi 7.7, Djokovic 7.8, Roddick 7.5, Del Potro 6.8

Clay (Peak): Nadal 10.0 (2006/2010), Wilander 9.5 (1983), Agassi 9.1 (1988), Federer 9.0 (2009), Edberg 8.8 (1989), Sampras 8.6 (1994), Djokovic 8.4 (2008), Roddick 7.7 (2005), Murray 7.5 (2009), Del Potro 7.5 (2009), Hewitt 7.4 (2001)
Grass (Peak): Federer 10.0 (2003-2007, 2009), Sampras 10.0 (1995, 1999), Nadal 10.0 (2008), Hewitt 10.0 (2002), Agassi 10.0 (1992), Roddick 9.2 (2004, 2005), Edberg 9.2 (1988), Wilander 9.2 (1983), Murray 9.1 (2009), Djokovic 8.0 (2009), Del Potro 5.0 (2009)
Hard (Peak): Federer 9.8 (2005), Agassi 9.5 (1995), Wilander 9.4 (1988), Sampras 9.3 (1994), Murray 9.0 (2009), Edberg 8.9 (1987), Roddick 8.4 (2004), Djokovic 8.3 (2009), Hewitt 8.3 (2001), Nadal 8.2 (2008), Del Potro 7.9 (2009)
Average (Peak): Federer 9.6, Agassi 9.5, Nadal 9.4, Wilander 9.4, Sampras 9.3, Edberg 9.0, Hewitt 8.6, Murray 8.5, Roddick 8.4, Djokovic 8.2, Del Potro 6.8

I'm aware of the glaring defects this way of evaluating surface prowess has, but I'm sure future posters will point them out better than I would.
 
Falloutjr

Falloutjr

Banned
OKUSA said:
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Nadal
Clay:10
Grass:8.5
Hard:7
Average: 8.5

Djokovic
Clay:8
Grass:7.5
Hard:9
Average: 8.16

Federer
Clay:8.5
Grass:10
Hard:9.5
Average: 9.33

Murray
Clay:6.5
Grass:8
Hard:9
Average: 7.83

Soderling
Clay:9
Grass:5
Hard:7
Average: 7

Davydenko
Clay:6
Grass:4
Hard:8
Average: 6

Del Potro
Clay:8.5
Grass:5
Hard:9
Average: 7.5

Berdych
Clay:8
Grass:8
Hard:8
Average: 8

Roddick
Clay:4
Grass:8.5
Hard:8.5
Average: 7

Verdasco
Clay:7.5
Grass:6
Hard:7
Average: 6.67
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Fixed 10char
 
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OKUSA

OKUSA

Hall of Fame
Either Djokovic is extremely overrated or Federer is underrated.

On Clay and Hard specifically, and not to mention Djokovic lost in the 2nd round to SAFIN in his peak on grass. So his grass is overrated as well
 
Falloutjr

Falloutjr

Banned
OKUSA said:
Either Djokovic is extremely overrated or Federer is underrated.

On Clay and Hard specifically, and not to mention Djokovic lost in the 2nd round to SAFIN in his peak on grass. So his grass is overrated as well
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I think if you can make it to the semis of a slam, you must be pretty good on that surface. I don't think its a stretch to say he's one of the 10 best grass-court players in the game today.
 
OKUSA

OKUSA

Hall of Fame
He might be, but the grass court competition includes Fed, Nadal, Murray, Roddick..........
 
OKUSA

OKUSA

Hall of Fame
He said top 10, so unless they each occupy more than 1 person, then there are 6 other people to fill it out.

Hell, you could make a case that Hewitt is in the top 10
 
T

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Serena
Clay: 6
Grass: 8
Hard: 9
Average: 7.7

Martina
Clay: 7.5
Grass: 9.5
Hard: 8.5
Average: 8.5

Steffi
Clay:8.5
Grass:9
Hard:9.5
Average: 9


Someone can do it for Seles and Henin b/c if I were to do it there will be trouble coming from the Serena obsession.
 
adimax8

adimax8

Rookie
Djoker
Clay: 8
Grass: 7.5
Hard: 9
Average: 8.2

Federer
Clay: 8
Grass: 10
Hard: 9.5
Average: 9.2

Nadal
Clay: 10
Grass: 8.5
Hard: 8
Average: 8.8

Murray
Clay: 5
Grass: 7.5
Hard: 8.5
Average: 7
 
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FlamEnemY

FlamEnemY

Hall of Fame
Only the top 4 for now.

Nadal
Clay: 10
Grass: 8.5
HC: 8
Total: 8.8

Djokovic
Clay: 8
Grass: 7 (I might get hated for this)
HC: 9
Total: 8

Federer
Clay: 8.5
Grass: 10
HC: 10
Total: 9.5

Murray
Clay: 6 (some people underrate him)
Grass: 8
HC: 8.5
Total: 7.5

edit: changed Nadal - grass from 9 to 8.5, however I'm willing to rate him a 9.
 
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aldeayeah

aldeayeah

G.O.A.T.
...Did you even read the post?

"Peak Roddick" doesn't get a 10 in grass because he's never made a grass season sweep like Nadal did in 2008. That's arguable, of course, with the limited number of grass tournaments per season and all, but it's unbiased.

With the same criteria, Agassi has a 10 in grass too, and that is far more arguable. But I left it in precisely to be unbiased and thus show the flaws of the method!

On the other hand, you do reek of bias yourself.
 
Bud

Bud

Bionic Poster
gunnd5000 said:
THIS IS SO BIAS TO RAFA

He is not a 10 on grass, roddick is a miles better grass player at his peak and peak del potro would crush a peak rafa on hardcourt.

Also a peak roddick would beat murray on hardcourt
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Roddick a better grass player than Rafa? :lol:

Drop the crackpipe and step away from the computer :)
 
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P_Agony

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LeoR said:
That's strange. How can you be a better hardcourt player by having inferior results during all your carreer?

Because Nadal is stronger on clay, they think he is not a great hardcourt player, but he is easily top 5 on that surface.
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I explained the inferior results - Nadal is a far better match player than both Murray and Davy. Especially Davy.
 
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