Who won this point
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you have to hit the ball into his court, it's not about where the ball lands the second time. from a technical standpoint, his shot bounced twice and therefore he won. you were allowed in that situation (and to my knowledge, only in this situation) to reach over the net and hit it.
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[d]ragon
Hall of Fame
Yes. If a ball bounces on your side but bounces backwards to your opponents side due to spin or wind, you can reach over and hit the ball before it bounces twice and without touching the net. It happened to Roddick one match and apparently he didn't know that
aceX
Hall of Fame
Wow :shock: I thought it was all about the ball lands.
but you weren't the one who hit the ball in. if the ball had hit the net, or close to the net instead of actually clearing the net after the bounce you'd have no qualms, i'm sure. its the fact that after his shot landed in your court, it bounced twice. the point therefore was over. doesn't have to "bounce twice in your court", just has to hit the ball in your court. after that, if it bounces twice, the point is awarded to him.
way to take something out of context, lol
what? where does anything in the thread lead to that
aceX
Hall of Fame
Isn't the only reason we have a racquet so we can get the ball back onto the opponents side?
aceX
Hall of Fame
Sorry a bit of a random thought.
So the racquet must make contact with the ball. Is it specified how long that contact can or cannot be?
right. so "you" can. you didn't hit the ball that bounced back on the opponent's side. think of it this way, when a winner is hit the ball bounces in your court, and then bounces again either on a wall or out of the court, right? does the winner not count because the second bounce bounced out of the court? of course not. the rule is simple, after the ball bounced in your court, if it bounces again, regardless of where, your opponent gets the point. you have to hit it before it bounces twice, back into his court. key point being, you have to hit it.
aceX
Hall of Fame
What if I swing at the ball and although I miss it, the wind generated from my swing pushes the ball back over? "I" still got the ball back
are you honestly asking this?
jester911
Rookie
You must make contact with the racket on the ball to win the point after it bounces in on your side of the court.
If backspin carries it back to the other side of the net from you this is the only case where can reach over the net and hit the ball but it must make contact with your racket.
It is really hard to believe this is a serious thread.
If backspin carries it back to the other side of the net from you this is the only case where can reach over the net and hit the ball but it must make contact with your racket.
It is really hard to believe this is a serious thread.
PeterPanda
Semi-Pro
I second that oppinion TW!
aceX
Hall of Fame
Yes, the tennis player guides the ball back into play. In this case I was not able to reach the ball but luckily some divine intervention guided the ball into play.
aceX
Hall of Fame
24.PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:
b.The player does not return the ball in play before it bounces twice
consecutively
25.A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
a.The ball touches the net,net posts/singles sticks,cord or metal cable,strap or
band,provided that it passes over any of them and hits the ground within the
correct court;except as provided in Rule 2 and 24 (d);or
b.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24;or
c.The ball is returned outside the net posts,either above or below the level of
the top of the net,even though it touches the net posts ,provided that it hits
the ground in the correct court;except as provided in Rules 2 and 24 (d);or
d.The ball passes under the net cord between the singles stick and the adjacent
net post without touching either net,net cord or net post and hits the ground
in the correct court,or
e.The player ’s racket passes over the net after hitting the ball on the player ’s
own side of the net and the ball hits the ground in the correct court;or
f.The player hits the ball in play,which hits another ball lying in the correct
court.
Show me the rule which says my return wasn't good.
The point is lost if:
b.The player does not return the ball in play before it bounces twice
consecutively
25.A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
a.The ball touches the net,net posts/singles sticks,cord or metal cable,strap or
band,provided that it passes over any of them and hits the ground within the
correct court;except as provided in Rule 2 and 24 (d);or
b.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24;or
c.The ball is returned outside the net posts,either above or below the level of
the top of the net,even though it touches the net posts ,provided that it hits
the ground in the correct court;except as provided in Rules 2 and 24 (d);or
d.The ball passes under the net cord between the singles stick and the adjacent
net post without touching either net,net cord or net post and hits the ground
in the correct court,or
e.The player ’s racket passes over the net after hitting the ball on the player ’s
own side of the net and the ball hits the ground in the correct court;or
f.The player hits the ball in play,which hits another ball lying in the correct
court.
Show me the rule which says my return wasn't good.
jester911
Rookie
.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24
The key word being played the ball. To play the ball you must hit it with your racket.
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24
The key word being played the ball. To play the ball you must hit it with your racket.
aceX
Hall of Fame
I can't find this rule in the ITF rules. Which number is it?
Larrysümmers
Hall of Fame
yep ^ this is how it goes.
jester911
Rookie
I pulled the quote from your post.
25.A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
a.The ball touches the net,net posts/singles sticks,cord or metal cable,strap or
band,provided that it passes over any of them and hits the ground within the
correct court;except as provided in Rule 2 and 24 (d);or
b.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24;or
c.The ball is returned outside the net posts,either above or below the level of
the top of the net,even though it touches the net posts ,provided that it hits
the ground in the correct court;except as provided in Rules 2 and 24 (d);or
d.The ball passes under the net cord between the singles stick and the adjacent
net post without touching either net,net cord or net post and hits the ground
in the correct court,or
e.The player ’s racket passes over the net after hitting the ball on the player ’s
own side of the net and the ball hits the ground in the correct court;or
f.The player hits the ball in play,which hits another ball lying in the correct
court.
25.A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
a.The ball touches the net,net posts/singles sticks,cord or metal cable,strap or
band,provided that it passes over any of them and hits the ground within the
correct court;except as provided in Rule 2 and 24 (d);or
b.After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net,the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court,provided that the player does not break Rule 24;or
c.The ball is returned outside the net posts,either above or below the level of
the top of the net,even though it touches the net posts ,provided that it hits
the ground in the correct court;except as provided in Rules 2 and 24 (d);or
d.The ball passes under the net cord between the singles stick and the adjacent
net post without touching either net,net cord or net post and hits the ground
in the correct court,or
e.The player ’s racket passes over the net after hitting the ball on the player ’s
own side of the net and the ball hits the ground in the correct court;or
f.The player hits the ball in play,which hits another ball lying in the correct
court.
aceX
Hall of Fame
Oh sorry I meant where did you get the rule that says to play the ball you must hit it with your racquet
aceX
Hall of Fame
Yeah this one. Where did you get that from?
aceX
Hall of Fame
Dude there's no need to be like that. I'm honestly asking where in the rules is says "To play the ball you must hit it with your racket."
HunterST
Hall of Fame
Why are you asking the question if you're going to argue when you get the answer? Everyone knows it was your opponent's point. I know it seems like a freak occurrence, but it happens quite frequently and everyone knows that's the rule.
Think about it. Why would it be your opponent's job to return his own shot?
Andres
G.O.A.T.
Just to answer a couple of your previous questions:
24. PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:
f. The player deliberately carries or catches the ball in play on the racket or
deliberately touches it with the racket more than once; or
i. The ball in play touches the player or anything that the player is wearing or
carrying, except the racket; or
aceX
Hall of Fame
Honestly if someone shows me the rule in the ITF rulebook that says "To play the ball you must hit it with your racket." then I will say "Okay I lost the point".
It's my opponent's job to keep the ball in play. It bounced once on my side then onto his, just like the thousands of points I've ever played; it's still in play.
This is a case where I'm thinking for myself and won't just accept what people say and follow it like a sheep. If its in the official rules then I'll accept it since this is the sport I choose to play and without rules there would be no game.
aceX
Hall of Fame
Wow so can you actually hit it twice if it's an accident?
Andres
G.O.A.T.
25. A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net, the player reaches over the net and plays the ball into the correct court, provided that the player does not break Rule 24; or
You failed to do that, so you lost the point.
Andres
G.O.A.T.
Yes. With one continuous swing. It's a miss-hit.
aceX
Hall of Fame
But what is the definition of "play" in the official rules?
Is using my telekinesis to get the ball back over "play"?
25. A GOOD RETURN
It is a good return if:
b. After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net, the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court, provided that the player does not break Rule 24; or
In this rule, we ascertained that you must play the ball. I hope you can agree that play the ball requires some positive action from your part.
24. PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:
i. The ball in play touches the player or anything that the player is wearing or
carrying, except the racket;
So you have to take positive action. You can't touch the ball with anything other than the racquet. Therefore, we can deduce that play the ball must equate to hit it with your racquet.
Q.E.D.
It is a good return if:
b. After the ball in play has hit the ground within the correct court and has spun
or been blown back over the net, the player reaches over the net and plays the
ball into the correct court, provided that the player does not break Rule 24; or
In this rule, we ascertained that you must play the ball. I hope you can agree that play the ball requires some positive action from your part.
24. PLAYER LOSES POINT
The point is lost if:
i. The ball in play touches the player or anything that the player is wearing or
carrying, except the racket;
So you have to take positive action. You can't touch the ball with anything other than the racquet. Therefore, we can deduce that play the ball must equate to hit it with your racquet.
Q.E.D.
Then you'll spend your life fighting crime, and won't have time to play tennis. Shame.
salsainglesa
Semi-Pro
where are the facepalm images?
We need one right now!!
We need one right now!!
Andres
G.O.A.T.
Come on. Stop it.
aceX
Hall of Fame
What if the positive action is me swinging my racquet and the wind I generate makes it go over?
Hahahaha, I need to rethink how to spend my free time!
HunterST
Hall of Fame
You lost the point. Get over it.
This is seriously common knowledge. Why do you think there is a special rule that you can reach over and hit a ball if it's bouncing back to the other side? Because you still have to play the ball in this scenario!
aceX
Hall of Fame
Honestly it does seem weird that they don't formally define 'play'.
aceX
Hall of Fame
Studying mathematics I've learned to never assume. That's the only reason I'm being picky about what play means.
HunterST
Hall of Fame
Alright, "playing" does not mean standing around and hoping the ball will bounce back to the other side, or swinging and missing. It's not an assumption. Everyone knows it.
