So, what will the (fixed?) draw look like?

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OK, major draw conspiracy theorists, we've had a lot of fun with this in the past, so let's not disappoint. What do you think the draw for the Australian Open will look like. Will Murray and Nadal be on the same side? What other (fixed?) matchups can we look forward to?
 
kishnabe

kishnabe

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A fixed draw is a Nadal with most potential Spaniards or a Federer with a Roddick, Murray and some other lopsided guys (Slams)!
 
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rainingaces

Legend
Murray in Soders quater, expect as easy a draw possible for Hewitt. Nadal first round match will be a qualifier, Federers will be a claycourter like chela.

All the spanish and French players meeting early 1st, 2nd rounds. Del Potro, Nalbandian, Baghdatis and Davydenko (the dangers) in the same half of the draw.
 
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batz

batz

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Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
 
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bolo

G.O.A.T.
Obviously the draw is fixed against the world no. 2, which as we all know is federer. This means federer will get djokovic, murray, roddick and dasco. :) Keeping my fingers crossed. :)
 
jman

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batz said:
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
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My GOD! If Nadal had such a draw and got through it. He would certainly be considered one of the GOATS, plus he'd he'd be holding all 4 at the same time... That draw is BRUTAL!
 
jman

jman

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batz said:
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
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My GOD! If Nadal had such a draw and got through it. He would certainly be
considered one of the GOAT's, plus he'd he'd be holding all 4 at the same time... That draw is BRUTAL!
 
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Rippy

Hall of Fame
If Murray is on Nadal's side, we'll have an absolutely huge number of posts about a "fixed draw".
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
batz said:
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
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Funny, I was thinking more like:

Fed's draw:

R1: Tsonga
R2: Delpo
R3: Davydenko
R4: Soderling
QF: Djokovic
SF: Murray
F: Nadal

while Nadal's will be filled with Robredos until the SF where he gets a super tough opponent in the form of his wife Verdasco, and then *******s will go "oh another Federer joke draw" or "again Nadal gets screwed with a tough draw".
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

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Rippy said:
If Murray is on Nadal's side, we'll have an absolutely huge number of posts about a "fixed draw".
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I remember *******s crying about Nadal getting Djokovic in his draw at the FO all the time. Then Fed gets Djokovic for the past 4 slams and suddenly Djokovic becomes irrelevant, its all about Murray now.
 
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Rippy

Hall of Fame
P_Agony said:
I remember *******s crying about Nadal getting Djokovic in his draw at the FO all the time. Then Fed gets Djokovic for the past 4 slams and suddenly Djokovic becomes irrelevant, its all about Murray now.
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Slam fixing is complicated.

The French is fixed for Djokovic to be in Nadal's half.

All other slams are fixed for Murray to be in Nadal's half.

:)
 
Tennis sensation

Tennis sensation

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P_Agony said:
Funny, I was thinking more like:

Fed's draw:

R1: Tsonga
R2: Delpo
R3: Davydenko
R4: Soderling
QF: Djokovic
SF: Murray
F: Nadal

while Nadal's will be filled with Robredos until the SF where he gets a super tough opponent in the form of his wife Verdasco, and then *******s will go "oh another Federer joke draw" or "again Nadal gets screwed with a tough draw".
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I don;t think Seed #2 will play Seed #13 or 14 even if the draw is heavily in favour of Nadal.
 
cknobman

cknobman

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batz said:
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Nalbandian
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final.
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I liked your Nadal picks but made one update in the second round.

I would say Fed should get:

R1 Hewitt
R2 Solderling
R3 Roddick
R4 Donald Young
QF Monfils
SF Ferrero
F Robredo
 
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Sentinel

Sentinel

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batz said:
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
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So who gets Berdych and Soderling, wise guy ;)
I presume Roger.

If Roger gets these 4, it would be a cakewalk, right? (considering how he's shredded them recently)

R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
 
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Lion King

Semi-Pro
P_Agony said:
Funny, I was thinking more like:

Fed's draw:

R1: Tsonga
R2: Delpo
R3: Davydenko
R4: Soderling
QF: Djokovic
SF: Murray
F: Nadal

while Nadal's will be filled with Robredos until the SF where he gets a super tough opponent in the form of his wife Verdasco, and then *******s will go "oh another Federer joke draw" or "again Nadal gets screwed with a tough draw".
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His wife Verdasco...... hahahahaha!
 
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Lion King

Semi-Pro
C'mon people, how do you rig a random draw? Have you ever heard of the concept of random events? If Fed consistently gets "easy" draws, it only means that he is a very good player and few opponents are real dangers for him. Same goes for Nadal, Murray, or anyone else. Anyone can get a fluke draw once. It's much more rare to get fluke draws on a regular basis.
 
Bud

Bud

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Commando Tennis Shorts said:
OK, major draw conspiracy theorists, we've had a lot of fun with this in the past, so let's not disappoint. What do you think the draw for the Australian Open will look like. Will Murray and Nadal be on the same side? What other (fixed?) matchups can we look forward to?
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You KNOW that Murray will once again be in Nadal's half! :)

Who also wants to bet Davydenko will end up in Nadal's side as well?

How many times does that make for Murray?
 
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seffina

seffina

G.O.A.T.
I just want Djokovic to have a decently difficult draw... he has lucked out with some easy ones (until the semis) in the last few slams.

Not that I don't like him, but COME ON! ((C) GOB)
 
batz

batz

G.O.A.T.
Bud said:
You KNOW that Murray will once again be in Nadal's half! :)

Who also wants to bet Davydenko will end up in Nadal's side as well?

How many times does that make for Murray?
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A lot of times.

Every 2010 slam.

Every 2009 slam that Rafa played.

Every 2008 slam.

AO 2007 (Murray didn't play RG or SW19)
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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batz said:
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
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Bingo. No need to wait for the real draw now, you said it all.
 
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meg0529

Guest
batz said:
A lot of times.

Every 2010 slam.

Every 2009 slam that Rafa played.

Every 2008 slam.

AO 2007 (Murray didn't play RG or SW19)
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Is this true? that's nuts! I hope 2011 will break this trend!
 
batz

batz

G.O.A.T.
meg0529 said:
Is this true? that's nuts! I hope 2011 will break this trend!
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I think so. I'm happy to stand corrected if I've got any of it wrong but I'm pretty sure it's bang on. 12 out of the last 13 with the last 11 straight.
 
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Rippy

Hall of Fame
veroniquem said:
Bingo. No need to wait for the real draw now, you said it all.
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Remember your incredibly accurate comments on the US Open draw after it was published?

You listed all of the "brilliant" players in Nadal's half, who all proceeded to have early exits. :oops:
 
dandelion_smiley

dandelion_smiley

Banned
batz said:
A lot of times.

Every 2010 slam.

Every 2009 slam that Rafa played.

Every 2008 slam.

AO 2007 (Murray didn't play RG or SW19)
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2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.

You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.
 
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Rippy

Hall of Fame
dandelion_smiley said:
2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.

You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.
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Yep, everyone whined about how unfair it was (despite the fact it was random) that Nadal "got Murray" last US Open instead of Djokovic, and yet Djokovic went out to knock out Federer, and Murray lost to Stan.
 
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meg0529

Guest
dandelion_smiley said:
2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.
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No he's not there EVERY time, but considering there is only one, it's pretty damn close. I agree, Murray does tend to underperform. It's not a given though.


You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.
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Ahah! This further shows that you should not include these two when you are talking about how Fed had tough draws.
 
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batz

batz

G.O.A.T.
dandelion_smiley said:
2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.

You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.
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I am?

Show me where.

I don't give a feck which side of the draw Murray falls on. Bud asked a question - I provided an answer.

Stop looking for things that aren't there.

PS thanks for correcting FO 2010.
 
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8PAQ

Banned
Bud said:
You KNOW that Murray will once again be in Nadal's half! :)

Who also wants to bet Davydenko will end up in Nadal's side as well?

How many times does that make for Murray?
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It would be about freaking time. Fed played Denko 5 times in Slams already and Nadal never did!
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=F324&oId=D402
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D402&oId=N409

I am hoping for 3rd round exit for Nadal courtesy of Denko.
 
Larrysümmers

Larrysümmers

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guys, guys. we are talking about 2 of the greatest players of all time. they have the ability to beat any of them. you know why they have such "cakewalk" draw? because they can beat any of them. Fed fans argue because they know Nadal can beat those players, and visa versa. and besides, why do you want the other player to get out before the finals and not let us to see the final we all want to see, the 2 greatest players of all time.

sorry for my rant..so isner.
 
Walenty

Walenty

Professional
As far as conspiracy theories go, since Robin Soderling's 2009 French Open run:

2009 Wimbledon: Soderling meets Fed in 4R
2009 US Open: Soderling meets Fed in QF
2010 Australian: Soderling to meet Fed in SF
2010 French Open: Soderling meets Fed in QF
2010 US Open: Soderling meets Fed in QF

5/6. Poor Guy...

Interesting to see where he and Murray will end up, along with Davy, Delpo, and Nalbandian. I can hear the *******s and *******s complaints even now and it isn't even Friday yet :)
 
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Joseph L. Barrow

Professional
Commando Tennis Shorts said:
OK, major draw conspiracy theorists, we've had a lot of fun with this in the past, so let's not disappoint. What do you think the draw for the Australian Open will look like. Will Murray and Nadal be on the same side? What other (fixed?) matchups can we look forward to?
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I made a similar pre-draw thread last year, and no one was able to make a particularly accurate prediction, in spite of the pervasive belief among some corners herein that the draws are clearly fixed and have a recognizable agenda.
 
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