JackB1
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Hi Jack,
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. The London sounds like a better choice for my game.
Great. Pick up a couple and join the club!
Hi Jack,
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. The London sounds like a better choice for my game.
Just noticed the London prices dropped as TennisMaverick has mentioned? I was wondering why a racquet that has came out around 6 months has done so?
Now it's gotten me worried, I hope they are not discontinuing anytime soon. Could it because of Volkl's new Organix line?
F Y I -another weekend of doubles LONDON users--vs gut 16 @ 53lbs(was pre-streached and strung on 2/8)--no launchers as the string has started to loosen and i agree this is not that powerful of a stick.-i play on har-tru so the weight of this great racquet will keep u in the game with no arm fatigue.
Just noticed the London prices dropped as TennisMaverick has mentioned? I was wondering why a racquet that has came out around 6 months has done so?
Now it's gotten me worried, I hope they are not discontinuing anytime soon. Could it because of Volkl's new Organix line?
Pick up a couple and join the club!
Pneumated 1
Where do you find the Volkl/BB string information?
Where do you find the Volkl/BB string information?
Pneumated 1
Where do you find the Volkl/BB string information?
Levy,
I did a simple google search and found this post in a stringforum.net thread from 2007:
Gents,
We have used this technique of lowering the cross tension on Volkl racquets for some time. Because of the oblong shape of the Volkl frames, much like the Isometric shape of the Yonex sticks, the mains are longer than the cross strings. If you use the Swingway method of measuring the mains and crosses to get a specific SBS, then this works very well in opening the sweetspot in Volkl racquets, just like in the Yonex frames (recommended). It's not a requirement but just a technique that works for some players.
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As you can see this has been going on for awhile. I've always hit Dunlops before coming to the London, and I've heard this recommendation for these sticks as well--due to the oblong head shape--perhaps even more pronounced in Dunlops. I hope this helps, and maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can come in and fill in the details of why and how this is the case.
They probably just realized their initial pricepoint was too high. The Becker line usually doesn't compete directly with the Volkl line, so I don't think it has anything to do with the upcoming Organix release.
Funny you should mention this? I wonder why Volkl decided to do the BB line then? Is it the same business model as the toyota/lexus, honda/acura, Gap/Old Navy?
If so, I wonder if BB is the lexus or toyota?
BB is the Lexus
It was like that BITD, i.e., 1.5 kilo differential recommendation in the T-9 30, but the need became more magnified with the use of DC/DNX nano carbon at 3/9. There maybe a possibility that the differential be less in the Organix Line because there is now DNX in all four poles.
Got it . . . I think. So at this point the reduction is to compensate for the stiffness in the technology in those areas where the crosses attach and can be influenced. I definitely experienced more of a need for a cross reduction in the BB 11, which was less forgiving off center.
Exactly where is the DC in the London? I thought it was throughout the frame. But I'll admit, I'm totally ignorant of layups, fibers, epoxy resins, etc., and how that all works to create a frame.
Funny you should mention this? I wonder why Volkl decided to do the BB line then? Is it the same business model as the toyota/lexus, honda/acura, Gap/Old Navy?
If so, I wonder if BB is the lexus or toyota?
LOL. Glad to know also finally I get to drive with a luxury stick. But the new Organix line does look very lush. I really like the reference "bullseye," PJ they put as a reference to where the sweetspot is. I want to try to put some sort of yellow tape on my london to try as well. Just afraid I'll concentrate more on that spot then on the ball.
The DC is only on the sides and above the grip. If it were throughout the frame, it would be crazy stiff.
Now that I look at the stick, it's kinda like, duh, but I've honestly never known for sure what was DC and what was not, what was Aerogel and what was not, what was Karophite and what was not, etc. But that knowledge helps me a lot and explains, most likely, why I didn't like the lead at 3&9, as it made the hoop a little stiffer than I wanted for this frame, which has a very unique flex at impact. Who would want to diminish that "feel" and dwell? If one chooses to mod this frame, 5&7, the bridge, and maybe the pallet are the most optimal locations, imo. And now I know why.
Live wire xp is a very fast and lively string like NRG, which might not be the best match for the London. A lower powered multi or syngut in the mains would work better. Maybe a copoly in the crosses too, would help tame some of the power. NXT control is working great for me at 57/53
A) If stringing at different tensions, should you use the same strings or possibly use two different kinds?
B) I have battled tennis elbow and the arm is feeling pretty good right now. Any suggestions on some arm friendly string or strings to try with the london
A) Regardless of what string(s) you use, drop the cross string tension. If you use different strings, you need to compensate for their characteristics.
B) The London plays well with strings that aren't that quick, and with arm problems, look at multis, perhaps NXT Tour or Gripper, and of course, gut.
I noticed with Jack's set up that he has a 4lb difference in the tension. Would that be a recommended drop to try (57 and 53)?
There is something to be said about changing the intrinsic design of a frame with lead tape, especially when a completely different element is introduced into the lay-up, because it then becomes part of the design parameters. The judicious use of nano carbon in Volkl sticks as opposed to using copious amounts of lead tape on a traditional graphite frame is the same reason why US Fifth Gen fighters are unmatched: you can do a lot more with a lot less; so it's faster, stronger, and more maneuverable.
I've mentioned several times now that I've settled in on 2g @ 5&7 and 1g @ 3&9. I'll probably take the gram off at 3&9 and add it to 5&7 as well, or possibly to the bridge. I pretty well have the hoop dialed in to my liking, and I could play this stick with just these mods, no question about it.
However, I've always used lead on the pallet near the top of the grip at 6.5" from the butt cap. I hit one stick the other night with the hoop mods mentioned above with an additional 4g on the sides of the pallet (vertical) starting at the bottom of the grip. I didn't like the lead in this location as it has always given me the sense that the head and pallet are "disconnected" somehow. What I did like was how lead on the pallet made the stick "feel" brick-wall stable and removed that ever so slight flutter on off center shots. My plan is to remove the lead at the bottom of the pallet and use 3-4g wrapped around the pallet at 6.5" from the butt cap. A "depolarized" setup better suits my playing and swing style and type of shot, so I'm pleased to discover how positively responsive the London is to additional weight at its "center." What do you think?
I have no experience putting lead at the top of the pallets. All of my players or my sticks that have lead in the grips are either on the pallets or in the butt. Also,whenever I weight a frame, lead is always put inside the "V" of the throat, so perhaps, you are accomplishing what we do with tape only at the top of the pallet, rather than above and below. I prefer to distribute the lead, which is cleaner as well.
I have no experience putting lead at the top of the pallets. All of my players or my sticks that have lead in the grips are either on the pallets or in the butt. Also,whenever I weight a frame, lead is always put inside the "V" of the throat, so perhaps, you are accomplishing what we do with tape only at the top of the pallet, rather than above and below. I prefer to distribute the lead, which is cleaner as well.
If i had to guess, I'd say the Organix would have less pop. I'm wondering how they're going to spec the Ogranix 9 to differentiate them from these two sticks wight, balance and swingweight wise (since the 9's are always stiffer).
If i had to guess, I'd say the Organix would have less pop. I'm wondering how they're going to spec the Ogranix 9 to differentiate them from these two sticks wight, balance and swingweight wise (since the 9's are always stiffer).
The feedback that I received was that the X10 295 has more pop than the London, which makes sense with all of the DNX they used at all four poles. The London is not a high powered frame. The only possibility of that read is if you have a terrible or inappropriate string job.
Yeah,..I'll be curious to here about the Melbourne,...specifically as it compares to the BB11,..The feedback that I received was that the X10 295 has more pop than the London, which makes sense with all of the DNX they used at all four poles. The London is not a high powered frame. The only possibility of that read is if you have a terrible or inappropriate string job.
I'll have an X6/8/10 on Tue, and the Melbourne by Thur. I'll give feedback ASAP.
Yeah,..I'll be curious to here about the Melbourne,...specifically as it compares to the BB11,..
My guys tell me that if they didn't play with the PB 10 Mid, that they would play with the Melbourne, before the X10. It is more precise and more demanding.
Ooooops,..didnt see the Melbourne was in already!!!!....Specs look pretty appealing,...(I like that its 18x20!!)...but i'm in the wrong thread to be goin on about that!!...:lol:
I guess I was wrong then in my post above (#585) about the differences between Volkl/BB. I know that Volkl is quicker, has different ball quality and feel. I guess besides the obvious layup differences, I'm as confused as anyone else as to the differences, although I have my clear preference.
The lines have finally diverged totally, and have become what was the original design concept for the two lines. DNX is very different than DC, so the company can now drive the spec monkey ****s, bananas, and also, shut the tech deniers the frak up.
DC resists bending; DNX resists torque. BB DC sticks is like having super light lead tape where you need it, 1:30/2/3/4/5/5:30 & 7:30/8/9/10/10:30; Volkl Organix sticks is like having super light lead tape and a wider beam with a contradictory soft feel, all in the same places to minimize power loss, at 3/6/9/12.
And yes, the Organix line is crisper then the DC line, just as the PB line was.
The lines have finally diverged totally, and have become what was the original design concept for the two lines. DNX is very different than DC, so the company can now drive the spec monkey ****s, bananas, and also, shut the tech deniers the frak up.
DC resists bending; DNX resists torque. BB DC sticks is like having super light lead tape where you need it, 1:30/2/3/4/5/5:30 & 7:30/8/9/10/10:30; Volkl Organix sticks is like having super light lead tape and a wider beam with a contradictory soft feel, all in the same places to minimize power loss, at 3/6/9/12.
And yes, the Organix line is crisper then the DC line, just as the PB line was.
Would you suggest that the Organix 295 is more arm friendly than the London then? Now I am curious about the 295 now.
If it is, it might be by an insignificant amount. I can't image anyone thinking the London is not "arm friendly". I have a sensitive elbow and the London is the first racquet that I could use with poly mains. I have also stopped using my elbow band completely with no ill effects.
Bottom line is that they will both be very arm frienedly racquets for sure.
Thanks man! That puts it together for me.
About 3 years ago, I had a brief hit with a C-10 Pro and DNX 9 for about 20 min. I liked the feel of the C-10 Pro, but couldn't "control" the DNX 9 and found it a little "harsh" for my tastes. I hit the PB 10 MP for 10 min. and thought it played a little "harsh" as well, but I don't know what poly my friend was hitting. I also sensed that it didn't suit my playing style so well, much like my 300Tour. Nonetheless, you could sense the direction Volkl was trying to go with their technology: DNX, PB, and now Organix (soft, stable, and more powerful). According to reports thus far, Volkl has combined the best of all previous generations in this Organix. I won't tinker with it, though; I'm happy with the London.
I demoed and bought a BB 11 MP a few years ago, and I liked the feel better than Volkl. In the sweetspot, I thought it had a comfortably "raw" and responsive feel, lots of feedback, but I couldn't control it. The progression to the London provides more forgiveness off center, more dwell, and much better maneuverability and control--with a more distinct feel with the DC, moving away from the stiffer DNX.
I wonder if this will create clear preferences among players between Volkl and BB? I would say it has for me.
TennisMav: Would you suggest that the Organix 295 is more arm friendly than the London then? Now I am curious about the 295 now.
I searched and couldn't find a "Club Thread" for this amazing racquet so I thought I'd start one.
The Melbourne and the BB 11 are completely two different frames. Firstly, the BB 11 was a cannon compared to any previous BB/Volkl 10-Line frame. The BB 11's better comparison is to the London, the BB 11's upgrade. The Melbourne is a better balanced Legend, and without any Titanium Lite, which makes it easier on the arm and enhances the dwell time. My guys tell me that if they didn't play with the PB 10 Mid, that they would play with the Melbourne, before the X10. It is more precise and more demanding.
TennisMaverick,
Just curious why the BB Melbourne would be considered more demanding ? Due to the tighter string pattern? Swing weight, static weight, and head size would make me think the opposite.