Davydenko back to Prince? - Done with Dunlop already?!?

gloumar

Rookie
Yep.
It's just sad how pro players want to play with what they like, but still want free product and endorsement contracts so they 'sell out' to companies who want to sell stuff to yutzes who believe their games will improve with a racquet choice. Complete joke. But it's been going on for as long as I can remember.

I agree on the nonsense.

But what is truely sad to me is the fact that companies have been setting up an annual schedule for releasing their "new awesome futuristic technologies" ! (my arse)
I dt know which of Head Prince or Wilson started it, but THIS is nonsense.

And why should the companies force players to fit the new cosmetics ? Having the name of the brand on the gear isn't enough ? Of course not, because everyone would want the same old damn stick, to be sold maybe the quarter the price of the brand new one !
They create the need.
 

themitchmann

Hall of Fame
^^^It's all about selling stuff. Racquets tend to last a while. By redesigning or changing the cosmetics, it entices players to switch to a new frame.

Why release a new model of car every year?

I'm not a fan of the whole PJ conspiracy...often, it's very misleading to the general public. However, I genuinely believe the better racquet companies are honestly trying to improve their product. I feel like releasing frames every 1-2 years isn't absolutely necessary, but it pushes manufacturers to constantly strive to be forward thinking and attempt to produce better frames.

On the other side of the coin, some frames are so good and popular that all they really need is an updated paintjob (and sometimes, not even that).
 

NLBwell

Legend
What seems sad is that Dunlop should be able to make a specially-made racket for a pro that would be exactly like he wanted. Head seems to be able to do this especially well and I've never heard of anyone leaving Wilson because they can't make an acceptable racket. However, Dunlop can't seem to custom-make an acceptable racket for anyone. Blake, Verdasco, Philipoussis, Davydenko, etc.
 
Is it bad location?
I just bought a stringing machine (two months ago), I am still learning how to string. knots are always difficult for me.
yesterday, I tried to make the last cross knot and pulled a little hard then broke the string:evil:
I did not want to restring so I will test it whether restring or use it until break the string.
I remember being new to stringing, and knots can definitely be a pain. Some things to remember are that you don't have to tie knots that hard for them to hold (especially true of gut where you can weaken the string by over-pulling), and the awl is your best friend with tough grommets.
I'm sure he will stick with the racquet that's clearly an extension of his hand, but....can you imagine the penetrating shots and the reduced shank factor if he switched to a 95 head? After a short transition, he'd be the best again.
I agree. Wilson could easily manufacture a 95-inch racquet with the same weight and balance as the 90-inch, and I think it would help Federer quite a bit with the shanks.
Im sure the average recreational/club player could cope perfectly well using a pro's exact racquet specs - authenticity sells so i don't understand why they don't give the consumer the real deal - I should be able to walk into my local shop and come out with the latest 'Isner' or 'Query' model - If companies just sold stock frames that pros like the industry would be better - I see this happening in the future -
I think themitchman summarized it well. Racquet companies don't want people sticking with the same racquet for 10 years like the pros do. Roddick said in an interview after losing a tournament that he's played with the same racquet for 13 years. Racquet companies can't rely on the average recreational player breaking frames regularly enough that have to repurchase them, so they need new marketing gimmicks.
Either my sarcasm meter is off, or you are very much misinformed. Why on earth would you want to play with someone else's racquet? The whole point of it being YOUR racquet is that it is customised/bought to fit your needs. You want it at a certain weight with a certain balance, not "whatever Isner has". And the reason they're using those racquets is because those are the ones that they are used to. The companies paint the racquets to make it look like the new ones they're promoting, and some players might feel these newer racquets give them something extra, so they might switch, but others might feel more comfortable with the older frame, so they stick with it. At the end of the day, just pick the racquet that you think suits your game best. And it's not like the newer racquets are false advertising; a junior is going to start off with a brand new APDCGT now, and then once they make their way up the rankings they're more than likely going to stay with that racquet and get it PJ'd to look like the next APDCGT turbo boost GOATracquet.

EDIT: also, it's not like those racquets weren't available at some point. They're just older models, not some PE that the public can't use.
I like your comment on the edit, but some racquets (Federer's, for instance) are literally custom-made to the point that you couldn't take a stock model and make it the same. I believe his specifically has a tighter grommet pattern around the middle.

I also think you're overrating how much the average players care about their racquets. People like us who are on forums discussing these types of things have far more interest in customizing our frames than the average player. I think tennis players are divided into three categories: people who think the racquet doesn't matter and stick with the same thing until they literally have to switch; people who buy every new racquet on the market thinking that it's "the one;" and people like us who work hard to find a racquet that works well for them then tweak string configurations, tensions, and the frame weight to make the racquet perfect.

Clearly, to racquet companies, that middle group that will buy anything that looks pretty and advertises improvement is the primary consumer category.
 

zasr4325

Professional
I like your comment on the edit, but some racquets (Federer's, for instance) are literally custom-made to the point that you couldn't take a stock model and make it the same. I believe his specifically has a tighter grommet pattern around the middle.

I also think you're overrating how much the average players care about their racquets. People like us who are on forums discussing these types of things have far more interest in customizing our frames than the average player. I think tennis players are divided into three categories: people who think the racquet doesn't matter and stick with the same thing until they literally have to switch; people who buy every new racquet on the market thinking that it's "the one;" and people like us who work hard to find a racquet that works well for them then tweak string configurations, tensions, and the frame weight to make the racquet perfect.

Clearly, to racquet companies, that middle group that will buy anything that looks pretty and advertises improvement is the primary consumer category.

True dat. I've seen quite a few, let's call them 'intermediates', who simply buy whichever frame is newest. And you can just tell they told the guy in the store, "I want the one Roger uses". I mean you see these beginners who can barely keep a ball in court trying to use a BLX90, and it just seems so pointless.

I've never had a problem with pros using older racquets with the newer PJs, as they should be able to get some exclusive things because, well, they're pros, who need to feel absolutely 100% with the racquet they use. I certainly know that if I was a top pro, I would want some benefits such as being able to use whichever racquet I choose, obviously with a PJ, and certain PE shoes or clothing.

I think certain companies who release new racquets very often are clearly doing it to appeal to that 'middle group', whilst others refreshing every few years are trying to promote longevity. But in reality, most consumers aren't going to stay with the same racquet throughout refresh cycles, simply because it becomes difficult to source the racquet once production is finished. I've just switched to the BLX 95, and I can't really see myself changing racquet for the next few years. And if I did, it would just be the same model in whatever the new line is called. Like from a K95 to a BLX95. Or I'd buy out the entire stock of BLX95s, just for consistency :).
 
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lacoster

Professional
Every company is doing this. There is only a small percentage of top players that actually use a retail version of the frame that they endorse.

Rochus is another story, but the Diablo (Malisse) is still available (however, I believe Malisse uses a older frame that is painted like the Diablo - can't remember the name of the frame though).

Duh, everyone knows about paintjobs. My original point is the fact that Prince still has players (Rochus, Spadea, Malisse) that endorse racquets that are a decade old. A good product line manager would have introduced a new mix of traditional frames to replace or refresh those decade-old designs. Or, at least release new paintjobs like the Storm GT series (new PJ this year), NTour (with NTour 2 a year later), and the RD ti-80 (which now has three paintjobs released).
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Every company is doing this. There is only a small percentage of top players that actually use a retail version of the frame that they endorse.

Rochus is another story, but the Diablo (Malisse) is still available (however, I believe Malisse uses a older frame that is painted like the Diablo - can't remember the name of the frame though).

Malisse uses the old Precision Retro MP.
 
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themitchmann

Hall of Fame
Duh, everyone knows about paintjobs. My original point is the fact that Prince still has players (Rochus, Spadea, Malisse) that endorse racquets that are a decade old. A good product line manager would have introduced a new mix of traditional frames to replace or refresh those decade-old designs. Or, at least release new paintjobs like the Storm GT series (new PJ this year), NTour (with NTour 2 a year later), and the RD ti-80 (which now has three paintjobs released).

Though most of us here know about the PJ issue, there are still some that are not aware.

I think updating the pjs of the older Prince sticks is a good idea, though I don't think it's entirely necessary.
 

lacoster

Professional
I think updating the pjs of the older Prince sticks is a good idea, though I don't think it's entirely necessary.

It would be necessary if Prince wants to command premium pricing ($180-$200) for their older tour-level sticks. If they want to continue selling Diablos and Graphites for $119/$129 (the price of discontinued tour-level Cortex, RDis, and KFactors), then that's fine. Babolat can refresh a paintjob, keep the specs, and call it "latest and greatest" to charge premium pricing (i.e: new Storm GT refresh/35th Anniv. PD refresh). Maybe if Prince does this, perhaps they can pay more pro players or keep marquee players endorsed with the incremental income they make on those racquet sales (i.e: Sharapova/Davydenko).
 

baseline_monster

Professional
I see for one match atleast he had the Dunlop stencil on his blacked out Prince, as this is so obvious, could Prince take action or is it how I believe fine as the frame has no Prince branding other than the holes?
 

Carolina Racquet

Professional
Prince has no issue with this because it's a blacked-out frame and he's no longer under contract with Davy. He could actually take a stock Prince frame 'as is' and put any logo on it. There's no law on this issue!

The issue here is with Dunlop, not Prince. He's got to comply with the terms of his contract with Dunlop, which typically offers an out to a player who can't adjust to their frame. The most liberal contingency here is that he can't play with a competitor's 'branded' frame. That's why he blacked out the Princes.
 

AlpineCadet

Hall of Fame
Prince has no issue with this because it's a blacked-out frame and he's no longer under contract with Davy. He could actually take a stock Prince frame 'as is' and put any logo on it. There's no law on this issue!

The issue here is with Dunlop, not Prince. He's got to comply with the terms of his contract with Dunlop, which typically offers an out to a player who can't adjust to their frame. The most liberal contingency here is that he can't play with a competitor's 'branded' frame. That's why he blacked out the Princes.

Prince can't do much, but they def. don't enjoy seeing their frames being used by him under all that black ink.
 

baseline_monster

Professional
Prince can't do much, but they def. don't enjoy seeing their frames being used by him under all that black ink.

I think Prince will be happy with it. As they see it, Davy left them to go Dunlop, now he still uses what is obviously a Prince frame. Just makes Prince look good and Dunlop look bad.
 

AlpineCadet

Hall of Fame
Yes, definitely, if people can recognize the frame and buy Prince instead of Dunlop, but keep in mind that Davy hated on Prince before leaving them.
 

Automatix

Legend
I think Prince will be happy with it. As they see it, Davy left them to go Dunlop, now he still uses what is obviously a Prince frame. Just makes Prince look good and Dunlop look bad.

But the truth is that the TT community or at least part of it is aware of paintjobs etc. but most buyers don't have a clue and will go by the info provided by the seller or the producers website.

Another thing, Davy did experiment with Head frames. So the whole Prince->Head->Prince->Dunlop->Prince roundabout isn't exactly 100% good for Prince. On one hand Davy returns to Prince (like Blake to Dunlop) but on the other hand he's in a search for something else.
 

jackcrawford

Professional
Prince has no issue with this because it's a blacked-out frame and he's no longer under contract with Davy. He could actually take a stock Prince frame 'as is' and put any logo on it. There's no law on this issue!
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Not so, Safin tried to play with Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Head and was forced to cease and desist - you need the company's permission to stencil their product with your label even if blacked out.
 

Buckethead

Banned
Davydenko can do whatever He wants, He can stencil his name on the racket, He can stencil VW on it and He can stencil Dunlop.
This can't be an issue, and this is not Safin's issue.
He can go buy a Gamma racket use and put Dunlop stencil, because Dunlop pays him to promote Dunlop whether or not He is using Dunlop rackets. He can buy a mercedes and put the Dunlop Logo on, will mercedes sue him for that??
If anybody buys Dunlop racket because they see Davydenko with the Dunlop stencil, it is out of Dunlop's hands, who says Davydenko is using the Dunlop stencil not to promote his Dunlop apparel or a bag??
The only reason why He has it blacked out it is because He isn't sponsored by Prince, but that doesn't exclude him from using Prince rackets. He is a player and He is a consumer, therefore He can buy 100 Prince rackets if He wants and I bet Prince will not tell all the shops in the world not to sell Prince rackets to Davydenko.
Once Gustavo Kuerten had only the Luxilon stencil on his HEAD racket, did everybody think He was using Luxilon rackets? If so, it's up to you.
The truth is all these racket changes messed him up pretty badly.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Davydenko can do whatever He wants, He can stencil his name on the racket, He can stencil VW on it and He can stencil Dunlop.
This can't be an issue, and this is not Safin's issue.
He can go buy a Gamma racket use and put Dunlop stencil, because Dunlop pays him to promote Dunlop whether or not He is using Dunlop rackets. He can buy a mercedes and put the Dunlop Logo on, will mercedes sue him for that??
If anybody buys Dunlop racket because they see Davydenko with the Dunlop stencil, it is out of Dunlop's hands, who says Davydenko is using the Dunlop stencil not to promote his Dunlop apparel or a bag??
The only reason why He has it blacked out it is because He isn't sponsored by Prince, but that doesn't exclude him from using Prince rackets. He is a player and He is a consumer, therefore He can buy 100 Prince rackets if He wants and I bet Prince will not tell all the shops in the world not to sell Prince rackets to Davydenko.
Once Gustavo Kuerten had only the Luxilon stencil on his HEAD racket, did everybody think He was using Luxilon rackets? If so, it's up to you.
The truth is all these racket changes messed him up pretty badly.

HEAD did not even want Safin to put a Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Prestige Classic 600. HEAD was successful in court in getting a injunction against Dunlop and Safin stopping them.

But Davydenko is with some prototype Dunlop made for him today in Barcelona. NO port holes.
Davydenko_2011_Barcelona_1.jpg
 
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Lemoned

Rookie
It seems like Dunlop let him use Prince racquets until they made a modified prototype for him? He said it gave him a better serve but he couldn't execute his ground strokes.
 

junk

Semi-Pro
HEAD did not even want Safin to put a Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Prestige Classic 600. HEAD was successful in court in getting a injunction against Dunlop and Safin stopping them.

But Davydenko is with some prototype Dunlop made for him today in Barcelona. NO port holes.
Davydenko_2011_Barcelona_1.jpg

exactly my question - i don't see any prince port holes so wonder which racquet is that?
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
Davydenko should sort out his head, then his racquet, in that order!

He never really looks happy so it's tough to know if the new racquet was bothering him in his match/collapse.
 
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