Barcelona Draw (cakewalk series no. 51)

BigForehand · Apr 18, 2011

LMFAO the cakewalk draw run CONTINUES! WHEN WILL IT END??? I got no idea, but its sure going strong.

In barcelona, all the dirt ballers are on the other side of rafael's draw except for soda (who hasn't yet started his clay season). Ferrer, Melzer, Murray (who has chances)... All have to kill each other before going in, tired, against ******.

Rofl if anyone needs further proof of the rigged draws, try flipping a coin 65 times and get heads every time.

Devilito · Apr 18, 2011

BigForehand said:
LMFAO the cakewalk draw run CONTINUES! WHEN WILL IT END??? I got no idea, but its sure going strong.

In barcelona, all the dirt ballers are on the other side of rafael's draw except for soda (who hasn't yet started his clay season). Ferrer, Melzer, Murray (who has chances)... All have to kill each other before going in, tired, against ******.

Rofl if anyone needs further proof of the rigged draws, try flipping a coin 65 times and get heads every time.

Nadal is the big draw always so they want him to always make it to the final. It's all about business / money, not tennis. It's clay so not like it matters but they definitely like making it easy for him.

billnepill · Apr 18, 2011

BigForehand said:
LMFAO the cakewalk draw run CONTINUES! WHEN WILL IT END??? I got no idea, but its sure going strong.

In barcelona, all the dirt ballers are on the other side of rafael's draw except for soda (who hasn't yet started his clay season). Ferrer, Melzer, Murray (who has chances)... All have to kill each other before going in, tired, against ******.

Rofl if anyone needs further proof of the rigged draws, try flipping a coin 65 times and get heads every time.

I am not a fan of Nadal, but gives us a draw which you consider tough for Nadal.

I am very curious of what you will come up with.

Antonio Puente · Apr 18, 2011

Any draw on clay is an easy draw for Nadal. When your record on clay since 2005 is 182-6, and the second best player in the world is 0-10 vs. you on the surface, there is no one to play.

stringertom · Apr 18, 2011

If Form Holds, FO finalist or semifinalist in Semis

His quarter is weak but if form holds his semi opponent will be Sod or Berd, one a finalist and the other a SFist at RG'10. That's not "rigged".

Laurie · Apr 18, 2011

Nadal is playing???

I know he missed the tourney in 2010. I thought he learned his lesson....

oscar_2424 · Apr 18, 2011

BigForehand said:
LMFAO the cakewalk draw run CONTINUES! WHEN WILL IT END??? I got no idea, but its sure going strong.

In barcelona, all the dirt ballers are on the other side of rafael's draw except for soda (who hasn't yet started his clay season). Ferrer, Melzer, Murray (who has chances)... All have to kill each other before going in, tired, against ******.

Rofl if anyone needs further proof of the rigged draws, try flipping a coin 65 times and get heads every time.

hater alert hater alert!

Nadalfan89 · Apr 18, 2011

Nadal would have to play God for it to be a tough draw...and even then he would be the favourite.

Povl Carstensen · Apr 18, 2011

Antonio Puente said:
Any draw on clay is an easy draw for Nadal. When your record on clay since 2005 is 182-6, and the second best player in the world is 0-10 vs. you on the surface, there is no one to play.

Well its 2-10, but get your point.

gsharma · Apr 18, 2011

BigForehand said:
LMFAO the cakewalk draw run CONTINUES! WHEN WILL IT END??? I got no idea, but its sure going strong.

In barcelona, all the dirt ballers are on the other side of rafael's draw except for soda (who hasn't yet started his clay season). Ferrer, Melzer, Murray (who has chances)... All have to kill each other before going in, tired, against ******.

Rofl if anyone needs further proof of the rigged draws, try flipping a coin 65 times and get heads every time.

Which "soda" is in Nadal's draw: coke, fanta or soda water?

TennisandMusic · Apr 18, 2011

Povl Carstensen said:
Well its 2-10, but get your point.

Djokovic is number two.

cucio · Apr 18, 2011

TennisandMusic said:
Djokovic is number two.

tenniswarrior · Apr 18, 2011

Why don't they just give Nadal the title and let him pick random people he wants to face in the draw?

Pozarevacka · Apr 18, 2011

tenniswarrior said:
Why don't they just give Nadal the title and let him pick random people he wants to face in the draw?

Because he doesn't know how to read, so that would be very difficult for him.

cc0509 · Apr 18, 2011

Devilito said:
Nadal is the big draw always so they want him to always make it to the final. It's all about business / money, not tennis. It's clay so not like it matters but they definitely like making it easy for him.

Absolutely and 100%. He is "the" draw and the number 1 seed. They want him in the finals. It is all about money for sure. Anybody that believes the draws are totally random is not thinking in a business sense.

Aside from that though, no matter what the draw is, he would go through most people pretty easily and get to the finals in any case. He is the number 1 after all.

dominikk1985 · Apr 18, 2011

when fed was dominating everyone was complaining about his easy draws and why he has a better schedule (play semi earlier...).
now the same complaint is about nadal.

two possibilities:
1) the current best player is always treated better
2)it's just perception because people are bored from one player winning all the time.

which is more likely?

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ivan_the_terrible · Apr 18, 2011

Nadalfan89 said:
Nadal would have to play God for it to be a tough draw...and even then he would be the favourite.

Nadal is an atheist, so since God does not exist, he would win by a walkover in theory. However, since Nadal knows there is no God, he wouldn't show up for the match so there will no match, and fans like you will be left mouth agape & broke.

For a Nadal fan, you should learn a little more about your hero.

cucio · Apr 18, 2011

Bryan Swartz · Apr 18, 2011

In barcelona, all the dirt ballers are on the other side of rafael's draw except for soda (who hasn't yet started his clay season). Ferrer, Melzer, Murray (who has chances)... All have to kill each other before going in, tired, against ******.

Rofl if anyone needs further proof of the rigged draws, try flipping a coin 65 times and get heads every time.

*sigh*. These kinds of posts annoy me. Let's dispense a few facts shall we:

** Murray HAS to be on the other side of the draw. The top two players can't be on the same side. So you throw him out immediately.

** One of Soderling/Ferrer has to be on the other side. Nadal drew the higher-rated one(Soderling) to be in his potential semi. Remember that the draw system doesn't know 'dirt-baller', it doesn't know how many events Soderling has played on clay, it knows only his ranking. So it gave Nadal the tougher of the two potential SF opponents.

** Okay, move down -- Nadal got a pretty good QF draw in getting Monfils(although Almagro would have been more fortunate), an average one in getting Bellucci for the 3rd round. Moreover, of the 5-8 seeds, 5 and 7 are in Nadal's half; 6 and 8 are in the other half.

** From an odds point of view, there is absolutely nothing exceptional about Nadal's draw. There just factually isn't. It is objectively actually a tough draw as compared to the average expected one.

kishnabe · Apr 18, 2011

OKay......So what do you expect Barcelona to have as a tough draw....that tourney is pointless in comparison to MS1000 clay. I would doubt for a great field. Plus who cares what Draw Nadal gets on clay even if he plays seven spanish guys at the French.....he would get through any draw on clay.

What the point of crying about it.....it is still going to happen. Sure on some HC, and Grass tourneys he does get the ocassional cakewalk draw....but then again every top player does too. Well simply because they are all good enought to beat the tour...that is why they are the top ranked players. So to a wc it wouldn't be a tough draw but to a number one player it is a cakewalk draw.

That would mean cakewalk draw doesn't exist...and you just want 28978979874981241 about a player you hate. I know you are a ******* just like me.....but even you have to admit Federer had easy draws....but it happens because they can easily beat those guys and doesn't apply to any average player. What you are just doing is justifying that Rafa is a great player and the draws are cakes for him.....so please have some respect for the competition because the moment he loses to that cakedraw person you would jump on him no?.....then that time it is no cakewalk draw, no?

Just enjoy the tennis.....even thought it does suck seeing Nadal hog the clay......but as long as I can see the beautiful red....I am happy.

Manus Domini · Apr 18, 2011

Povl Carstensen said:
Well its 2-10, but get your point.

Actually, it is 0-9

Manus Domini · Apr 18, 2011

ivan_the_terrible said:
Nadal is an atheist, so since God does not exist, he would win by a walkover in theory. However, since Nadal knows there is no God, he wouldn't show up for the match so there will no match, and fans like you will be left mouth agape & broke.

For a Nadal fan, you should learn a little more about your hero.

he's agnostic

gsharma · Apr 18, 2011

Bryan Swartz said:
*sigh*. These kinds of posts annoy me. Let's dispense a few facts shall we:

** Murray HAS to be on the other side of the draw. The top two players can't be on the same side. So you throw him out immediately.

** One of Soderling/Ferrer has to be on the other side. Nadal drew the higher-rated one(Soderling) to be in his potential semi. Remember that the draw system doesn't know 'dirt-baller', it doesn't know how many events Soderling has played on clay, it knows only his ranking. So it gave Nadal the tougher of the two potential SF opponents.

** Okay, move down -- Nadal got a pretty good QF draw in getting Monfils(although Almagro would have been more fortunate), an average one in getting Bellucci for the 3rd round. Moreover, of the 5-8 seeds, 5 and 7 are in Nadal's half; 6 and 8 are in the other half.

** From an odds point of view, there is absolutely nothing exceptional about Nadal's draw. There just factually isn't. It is objectively actually a tough draw as compared to the average expected one.

Wow, an intelligent post, which is such a rarity on this board.

BigForehand · Apr 18, 2011

Bryan Swartz said:
*sigh*. These kinds of posts annoy me. Let's dispense a few facts shall we:

** Murray HAS to be on the other side of the draw. The top two players can't be on the same side. So you throw him out immediately.

** One of Soderling/Ferrer has to be on the other side. Nadal drew the higher-rated one(Soderling) to be in his potential semi. Remember that the draw system doesn't know 'dirt-baller', it doesn't know how many events Soderling has played on clay, it knows only his ranking. So it gave Nadal the tougher of the two potential SF opponents.

** Okay, move down -- Nadal got a pretty good QF draw in getting Monfils(although Almagro would have been more fortunate), an average one in getting Bellucci for the 3rd round. Moreover, of the 5-8 seeds, 5 and 7 are in Nadal's half; 6 and 8 are in the other half.

** From an odds point of view, there is absolutely nothing exceptional about Nadal's draw. There just factually isn't. It is objectively actually a tough draw as compared to the average expected one.

no joke they wouldn't forefit the rules or else it will be too obvious its rigged.

He gets no dirtballers until final (Sod will surprise me if he gets to semi) which means the draw is easy since the better players are on the other half.

Bryan Swartz · Apr 18, 2011

There is no evidence at all that it's rigged. Nothing in your post responded to the specifics I pointed out. If they didn't 'forfeit the rules' then by definition it isn't rigged.

glazkovss · Apr 19, 2011

Don't be so cruel to Rafa, he needs those cw draws to get through his busy schedule!

Seriously, I thought Nadal haters considered Sod a difficult opponent for Rafa, and Ferrer an easy one (as all of his compatriot dirtballers, so called puppies). Now it's somehow turned on the opposite. How can anyone still treat these cw talks as something meaningful?

glazkovss · Apr 19, 2011

Don't be so cruel to Rafa, he needs those cw draws to get through his busy schedule!

Seriously, I thought Nadal haters considered Sod a difficult opponent for Rafa, and Ferrer an easy one (like all of his compatriot dirtballers, so called puppies). Now it's somehow turned on the opposite. How can anyone still treat these cw talks as something meaningful?

stringertom · Apr 19, 2011

Murray, Berdych WDs make Easy Draw Easier

Next year there may not be any Euroclay events leading to the French if Rafafever continues to spread. If he's in then everyone else disappears? Time for stones to be grown in the locker room, guys. No?

Bryan Swartz · Apr 19, 2011

There's no reason to fear that. We know at least that Murray has an injury from last week in Monte Carlo. Plus, even with both of them out, half of the Top 10 is still playing -- not bad at all for a 500 event.

stringertom · Apr 19, 2011

Agreement & Disagreement

Bryan Swartz said:
There's no reason to fear that. We know at least that Murray has an injury from last week in Monte Carlo. Plus, even with both of them out, half of the Top 10 is still playing -- not bad at all for a 500 event.

I agree with your rebuttal of the OP. The draw is not rigged but Nadal got an easy quarter and now, with Berd gone a possibly easier half if Sod falters. My statement about the WDs was hyperbole, but let's just say the top Ten are gonna err to caution when Nadal's name is present, no? This just gives Rafa a little more R&R on the Ramblas.

As to the level of the top Ten, losing #4&7 really waters down the 50% claim. #1 avoids #s 2,3,4,7 & 10 with #5 getting on clay for the first time? Not real hard even for a 500-level at home on his chosen surface.

Povl Carstensen · Apr 19, 2011

Manus Domini said:
Actually, it is 0-9

On clay, 2-10.

namelessone · Apr 19, 2011

Please someone, give me a tough draw for Nadal in a 500/masters/GS on clay.

I've been asking this but no one seems to want to answer: What is a tough draw for Nadal on clay?

Bryan Swartz · Apr 19, 2011

As to the level of the top Ten, losing #4&7 really waters down the 50% claim. #1 avoids #s 2,3,4,7 & 10 with #5 getting on clay for the first time? Not real hard even for a 500-level at home on his chosen surface.

I understand what you are saying, but I think your expectations of a 500 are too high. Take the ones already played this year.

Rotterdam: similar strength of draw, only half of the Top 10 played
Memphis: only Roddick and Verdasco
Dubai: only 3 Top 10 players(Federer, Djokovic, Berdych)
Acapulco: only Ferrer and Verdasco

Only Rotterdam is close. Barcelona still has a tough field by any reasonable comparison with other 500 events. The fact that it's in Spain and on clay is irrelevant, as that would still be the case no matter who entered.

DjokerIsTheBest · Apr 19, 2011

Tough draw for nadal on clay:

3rd round: Almagro
4th round: Delpo
Quarter: Murray (assuming his ranking goes to 5th)
Semi: Federer
Final: Djoker

Bryan Swartz · Apr 19, 2011

Chances of said draw even being possible to occur(assuming all those players even enter an event, which will only happen in a GS probably):

less than 1 in 1000.

Mainad · Apr 19, 2011

DjokerIsTheBest said:
Tough draw for nadal on clay:
Quarter: Murray (assuming his ranking goes to 5th)

How do you mean? Murray's ranking is protected at least until Madrid.He has no points to lose in Barcelona and Soderling can't gain any unless he wins the tournament which is unlikely.

single_handed_champion · Apr 19, 2011

Bryan Swartz said:
*sigh*. These kinds of posts annoy me. Let's dispense a few facts shall we:

** Murray HAS to be on the other side of the draw. The top two players can't be on the same side. So you throw him out immediately.

** One of Soderling/Ferrer has to be on the other side. Nadal drew the higher-rated one(Soderling) to be in his potential semi. Remember that the draw system doesn't know 'dirt-baller', it doesn't know how many events Soderling has played on clay, it knows only his ranking. So it gave Nadal the tougher of the two potential SF opponents.

** Okay, move down -- Nadal got a pretty good QF draw in getting Monfils(although Almagro would have been more fortunate), an average one in getting Bellucci for the 3rd round. Moreover, of the 5-8 seeds, 5 and 7 are in Nadal's half; 6 and 8 are in the other half.

** From an odds point of view, there is absolutely nothing exceptional about Nadal's draw. There just factually isn't. It is objectively actually a tough draw as compared to the average expected one.

Ignorants milling around: please read and commit above FACTS to memory before embarrassing yourself in the future.

single_handed_champion · Apr 19, 2011

DjokerIsTheBest said:
Tough draw for nadal on clay:

3rd round: Almagro
4th round: Delpo
Quarter: Murray (assuming his ranking goes to 5th)
Semi: Federer
Final: Djoker

H2Hs on clay:

7-0 (12-1 in sets)
1-0 (3-0 in sets)
3-0 (6-1 in sets)
10-2 (27-11 in sets)
9-0 (21-3 in sets)

Combined 30-2 (69-16 in sets).

Easy pickings. Bring it on!

2008 RG, Nadal's draw: Bellucci-Devilder-Nieminen-Verdasco-Almagro-Djokovic-Federer. 21-0 in sets. Get the drift? Best you can do? etc.

single_handed_champion · Apr 19, 2011

And hilarious how on the basis of ONE match (and one tournament for himself), Murray has gone from claycourt scrub, which was the general feeling about him here, to a top-tier threat to Nadal. It is far more important for him to ensure he is able to keep winning, at all, after the recent disasters.

DjokerIsTheBest · Apr 19, 2011

single_handed_champion said:
H2Hs on clay:

7-0 (12-1 in sets)
1-0 (3-0 in sets)
3-0 (6-1 in sets)
10-2 (27-11 in sets)
9-0 (21-3 in sets)

Combined 30-2 (69-16 in sets).

Easy pickings. Bring it on!

2008 RG, Nadal's draw: Bellucci-Devilder-Nieminen-Verdasco-Almagro-Djokovic-Federer. 21-0 in sets. Get the drift? Best you can do? etc.

Sorry I meant Hrbary in the final. Continue on with your analysis

single_handed_champion · Apr 19, 2011

DjokerIsTheBest said:
Sorry I meant Hrbary in the final. Continue on with your analysis

Expected. Not caring to post anything other than vague and speculative BS, with plenty of noise to convince yourself that it could somehow be true, when others have real stats to back their arguments. Carry on... you were saying Djokovic won how many lotteries in a row?

DjokerIsTheBest · Apr 19, 2011

What stats? Using H2H to gauge future performance is speculative not guaranteed. So far this year Djokovic is the best player in the world.

Manus Domini · Apr 19, 2011

Povl Carstensen said:
On clay, 2-10.

against djokovic?

gsharma · Apr 19, 2011

single_handed_champion said:
Expected. Not caring to post anything other than vague and speculative BS, with plenty of noise to convince yourself that it could somehow be true, when others have real stats to back their arguments. Carry on... you were saying Djokovic won how many lotteries in a row?

You are wasting your time fighting the intellectually-challenged on this board.

stringertom · Apr 19, 2011

Location & Surface ARE Relevant

Bryan Swartz said:
I understand what you are saying, but I think your expectations of a 500 are too high. Take the ones already played this year.

Rotterdam: similar strength of draw, only half of the Top 10 played
Memphis: only Roddick and Verdasco
Dubai: only 3 Top 10 players(Federer, Djokovic, Berdych)
Acapulco: only Ferrer and Verdasco

Only Rotterdam is close. Barcelona still has a tough field by any reasonable comparison with other 500 events. The fact that it's in Spain and on clay is irrelevant, as that would still be the case no matter who entered.

Tell me exactly how being in Barcelona on red clay makes this tournament harder for Nadal! It is relevant because he would be in Mallorca resting up if he didn't have home-field advantage in Barcelona. As I said, the draw is not rigged, he has an easy quarter, his semi may be easier due to the Berdych WD if Sod should falter. If I were to wager, Sunday will be a repeat of MC's Sunday with much the same result. The armada will sail inland to Madrid with its flagship unscathed. Enjoy the tapas Rafa!

Bryan Swartz · Apr 19, 2011

It doesn't make it harder: my point it has nothing to do with the difficulty of the draw. Obviously it benefits him just like it benefits Monfils and Gasquet when they play the Masters in Paris, etc.

Povl Carstensen · Apr 21, 2011

Manus Domini said:
against djokovic?

Sorry, my mistake.

jackson vile · Apr 21, 2011

cucio said:

LMFAO, that cracked me up!

BigForehand · Apr 22, 2011

LMFAO

****** plays qualifiers all the way to the finals.

Gimeno traver
Giraldo
Monfis (just recovered injury, first time back on court since forever)
Dodig

Then he's got almagro or ferrer, one of his buttymen.

single_handed_champion · Apr 22, 2011

BigForehand said:
LMFAO

****** plays qualifiers all the way to the finals.

Gimeno traver
Giraldo
Monfis (just recovered injury, first time back on court since forever)
Dodig

Then he's got almagro or ferrer, one of his buttymen.

Yippee, lets declare Soderling his buttboy as well, since he obviously allowed himself to be thrashed by Dodig (who?) so Rafa could cakewalk his way to the title.

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