Dancer stacks his players and still loses a home match against the 23rd ranked Gophers. PATHETIC! I've said it before but it's now official. He has destroyed all that was left over from the Tiley era. This guy has got to go.
A little credit to The Golden Gophers is in order. When healthy, they've only lost to top 10 teams (only one loss outside top ten).
Stacking doesn't work against The Golden Gophers as they can go 7 or 8 deep and still compete.
When I was at the U of M, we never lost to anybody other than Michigan. Everyone has their day and Minnesota is on the rise.
A little credit to The Golden Gophers is in order. When healthy, they've only lost to top 10 teams (only one loss outside top ten).
Stacking doesn't work against The Golden Gophers as they can go 7 or 8 deep and still compete.
When I was at the U of M, we never lost to anybody other than Michigan. Everyone has their day and Minnesota is on the rise.
Yeah, maybe you're right. I'm just sick of the way Dancer has destroyed this team. You may be one of those who think stacking is ok so you don't see it. I know stacking is not against the rules but I am one of those who thinks it ruins the game sometimes. The second ranked player is playing the sixth match. That's stacking. Maybe you think it's good manuvering. Fine. Whatever. I'm probably done getting too involved in Ilinois tennis until Dancer is gone or figures it out. Signing out.
I think we all agree that stacking is against the rules. I don't think Illinois stacked in the Minnesota match. KU, Kalmanovich and Hamui have played higher than Souza the whole year. The only issue would be with Hoh playing 5. From what I have seen lately, I think Hoh was playing better. I admith this is debateable. I thnk Dancer has been looking for more out of the 5-6 spot the whole year. Souza, Hoh and Abdelnour have switched in and out of those spots. Typically, Souza and Hoh have played more than Abdelnour. While Souza probably has played more matches at a higher spot than Hoh, the question really goes to who is playing better. By the way, was anyone at the OSU-IU match? OSU won 5-2 but I think that is a good result for IU.
There is a rule for stacking, a couple of years ago, Northwestern forfeited a match against Wisconsin that they had won 4-3 because of stacking. As a result, Wisconsin won 4-3.
Didn't Wisconsin itself also get a match forfeited because of stacking in the past few years?
Yeah, maybe you're right. I'm just sick of the way Dancer has destroyed this team. You may be one of those who think stacking is ok so you don't see it. I know stacking is not against the rules but I am one of those who thinks it ruins the game sometimes. The second ranked player is playing the sixth match. That's stacking. Maybe you think it's good manuvering. Fine. Whatever. I'm probably done getting too involved in Ilinois tennis until Dancer is gone or figures it out. Signing out.
not so loud, bro! clarkc thinks only the top 2 on any team can compete!!!
I think we all agree that stacking is against the rules. I don't think Illinois stacked in the Minnesota match. KU, Kalmanovich and Hamui have played higher than Souza the whole year. The only issue would be with Hoh playing 5. From what I have seen lately, I think Hoh was playing better. I admit this is debateable.
Out of curiousity, does anyone know how stacking rules are determined/enforced?
Bluetrain, I know it was the Wisconsin-Northwestern match. I may be wrong on which team was forfeited. In regards to the enforcement of the rule, the coach of the other team files a protest which is then ruled on for interpretation. Unfortunately, I don't know who rules on the protest. It sould be the ITA officials at the match or the conference. I think Woodrow is a college official. He can give us the answer.
No team survives injuries to their top two players. .
Dancer continues to struggle to put a team together. KU Singh apparently has decided to leave to try the tour or who knows what, and Brian Alden has transferred to Florida State. With three seniors gone, this leaves only 6 players on the team, including the two new freshmen coming in.
What is it about Dancer? Why do these players continue to quit on his program? I've heard he has a bit of an overbearing coaching style and nitpicks every point. Since the great Tiley era, he has continued to drag the Illini down. We host the NCAA championships in 2013 but it's starting to look like the Illini will be waiting tables instead of playing on the stage. Time for a new coach?
ClarkC, I understand your viewpoint but I can assure you that the staff is on top of the recruiting. I also don't know for sure that Singh will not be back. I think he is playing some tournaments in India for the fall semester. Alden was not going to crack the singles line-up and he knew that. I have also heard that they are looking at a couple of really good players for January as you mentioned.
I also think it hard to complain about the team when no matches have been played yet. Heck, as of earlier today the schedule was not posted. Illinois is hosting a tournament in Chicago in a couple of weeks and that will include Notre Dame, Alabama and someone else. While I understand that the one poster wants better results I don't understand his annimosity to Dancer. It just seems like the poster has a personal issue with Dancer over something he has not explained.
One thing that is not as well publicized is the fact that the University is not giving as many preferential admissions to the tennis team as had been given in past years. For example, Jean Anderson was not admitted by Illinois but then admitted to Texas on a faxed transcript. Singh's issues getting into the school are also well documented.
Getting back to recruiting, the staff has two very good recruits verballed for next year and Illinois is also in the mix for two more highly rated recruits. I guess I just think we should wait until matches are played and then rate how the season went. I am going to try and not post many responses on this thread because i know I will not change anyone's mind and I don't want to get into an internet argument over the topic.
Ona side note, I am going to the Open for the first time this weekend. I will take pictures and try to post them.
purdue can take them
Sure hope no one transfers out in January.