Federer or Graf- which is the stronger GOAT candidate

Stonger GOAT candidate- Federer for men or Graf for women


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NadalAgassi

Guest
Which of these 2 players do you think has a stronger argument to be the GOAT of their respective genders.
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
I guess by default I choose Graf. I dont think either is a worthy GOAT though. Atleast 3 others per gender superior to both IMHO.
 
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Deleted member 21996

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Augustus

Hall of Fame
I guess by default I choose Graf. I dont think either is a worthy GOAT though. Atleast 3 others per gender superior to both IMHO.

This is beyond ridiculous, davey25. Steffi Graf, with 22 slams (7 Wimbledons and 6 FOs), The Golden Slam and numerous other records is the female GOAT. If not for injuries, she might have won even more. Only Navratilova and maybe Evert can arguably challenge her claim, but are by no means 'superior' (except Martina being the GOAT on grass). So it's outrageous to claim that at least 3 women are superior to Graf...

As for Federer, it's a more difficult question. He's far from 'undisputed' GOATness, for reasons that have been discussed endlessly on this forum, but I can't think of any player that is clearly superior to him either. Rod Laver and some of the ancient greats like Gonzales might have a case as well though, just like Nadal maybe if he wins at least some more slams.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Graf by a huge margin :)

Based on the poll results, we'll all know exactly who the forum *******s are ;)
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Graf. Far and above all else, she won the Grand Slam, and managed to remain a powerful force in the game beyond that historic achievement.
 

Smasher08

Legend
This photo says it all: Federer clearly in awe of Kobe, who's ignoring him to shake hands with Sampras.

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Without a doubt, Kobe would have ditched them both in a heartbeat just to shake hands with Steffi. ;)
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Shame on you, gorecki, for posting pictures of ksbh from his facebook :D

I notice his wrinkles have been photoshopped off.


Graf or Nadal ???
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
Would the dudes who voted for Graf vote for her against Dull too ?

I know i Would... to me Graf is GOAT on the womens side, whereas neither Fed nor Rafa are on the mens side! and no... it's not about slam count!
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Well winning 16 majors by a man looks more difficult for me than the same number of majors won by a woman. Just look at this stat: tennis players (both men and women) who have won at least 10 majors since 1970:

Men:
1. Federer 16
2. Sampras 14
3. Borg 11
4. Nadal 10

Women:
1. Graf 22
2. Navratilova 18
3. Evert 18
4. Williams 13

The competition in the men's circuit has always been winder than in the women's.

Plus Federer didn't have the priviledge of Nadal being stabbed in the back once he started beating Federer more often in 2008 :D
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
I vote for Federer, not only the slam count, but other incredible records that he broke and now own.

Graf and Martina is like 1 and 1a. While Graf holds for the most slam count, Martina's mind-boggling records cannot be ignore.
 

Emet74

Professional
Plus Federer didn't have the priviledge of Nadal being stabbed in the back once he started beating Federer more often in 2008 :D

This.

I'm not generally a fan of asterisks and hypotheticals, but Steffi (and Monica's) career resumes need them IMO.

Steffi was a great, great player, no doubt. But for one of her fan base to physically attack (and mentally destroy) her main rival in that rival's prime just puts a cloud over everything achieved after that.

It was for me the saddest incident and low point of this sport. It wasn't Steffi' s fault but it does affect her legacy.
 

ksbh

Banned
Here we go again, the Feddie fans obsession with GOAT! Some of them should be thrown at the receiving end of this device-



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lonux

Hall of Fame
I guess by default I choose Graf. I dont think either is a worthy GOAT though. Atleast 3 others per gender superior to both IMHO.

And those are? Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Serena, Serena and Serena? :lol:


Thank for giving me a laugh at least! :lol:

Unbelievable...you actually selected Federer as the prime candidate for the GOAT in place of Rafa, the widely accepted GOAT? Do you live in a rock?

Federer pales in comparison to the great Rafa, even though he has more GS titles. The difference between the two is that Federer garnered his GS' in a horribly weak era, while Rafa is playing against Federer, Nole, and Murray, who are all worthy contenders for multiple GS titles. Rafa is the GOAT, and in the near future, I'm confident that he'll solidify his spot as the UGOAT (Unsurpassable Greatest of All Time).

Now this is how you troll well, davey25. Better learn from him a bit! :lol:
 

lonux

Hall of Fame
Here we go again, the Feddie fans obsession with GOAT! Some of them should be thrown at the receiving end of this device-

Just to tell you, it was NadalAgassi who started this thread, therefore your conclusions are false!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist it :lol:
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
Just to tell you, it was NadalAgassi who started this thread, therefore your conclusions are false!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist it :lol:

Mr Punjabi GOAT sees what he wants. he is entitled for that since he did all the media PR he had to back when he was raking slams...
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Let's check the stats

Majors
Graf-22 majors in 56 attempts=39.3%
Federer-16 majors in 48 attempts=33.3%

Tournaments won
Graf-107 tournaments out of 223 played=48.0%
Federer-67 tournaments won out of 240 played=27.9%

Lifetime winning percentage
Graf-88.7%
Federer-81.0%
 
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Sneezy

New User
My vote would be for Federer. He broke how many records and made how many achievements with Nadal there. Graf's main rival Seles on the other hand was not there for an extended period, and how many of the other women during that era could beat Graf on a regular basis? I think its more impressive to be a big fish in a pond with an equally big fish around (Federer/Nadal), than a big fish (Graf) in a pond with small fish around.
 

lonux

Hall of Fame
What a fail way to make me look like the idiot, fool. It's a shame that Federror/I] fans refuse to look at the facts that support Nadal as being the UGOAT. Sorry, go ********** to Federror's shanks somewhere else.


Nadal's the ugliest geek of all time? :confused:

Now you're confusing me.
 
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Deleted member 3771

Guest
Let's check the stats

Majors
Graf-22 majors in 56 attempts=39.3%
Federer-16 majors in 48 attempts=33.3%

Tournaments won
Graf-107 tournaments out of 223 played=48.0%
Federer-67 tournaments out of 67 tournaments won out of 240 played=27.9%

Lifetime winning percentage
Graf-88.7%
Federer-81.0%

what about the h2h in slams vs the greatest rival

Fred is 2-7(22%) how does that compare to Graf?
 

Netzroller

Semi-Pro
I'm not sure if it makes that much sense to compare men and women achievments. It's already problematic to compare players from different generations, but adding different genders simply makes it a whole different situation.

edit: misunderstood the question.. still I think it's a somewhat weird question

I vote for Federer, not only the slam count, but other incredible records that he broke and now own.

Graf and Martina is like 1 and 1a. While Graf holds for the most slam count, Martina's mind-boggling records cannot be ignore.
Most singles GS titles would be Court, not Graf
 
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tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
That's a dirty comment to make you low life scumbag. Then to top it off you throw a smilie in there. What a pathetic excuse for a human being, you would just love someone to stab Rafa wouldn't you. Just confirms how scared you are that Rafa will one day break Fed's record.

I wouldn't reply to me if I were you, you pretty much insult me whathever I say thus giving me a reason to report your naughty posts, you're gonna be banned sooner or later unless you learn how to behave, kiddo
 
Its not like he said he WISHED, or HOPED that Nadal would be stabbed. Now, that would be low.

No but he said it was a priveldge for Steffi when Monica got stabbed and implied that it would be a priviledge if Rafa got stabbed then threw a smilie in there because he thinks it funny. That is low.
 
I wouldn't reply to me if I were you, you pretty much insult me whathever I say thus giving me a reason to report your naughty posts, you're gonna be banned sooner or later unless you learn how to behave, kiddo

Really? IIRC it was you who got banned last time pal. Report me as much as you want, I'm not the one acting like it would be funny to see another great player get stabbed you low life.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Really? IIRC it was you who got banned last time pal. Report me as much as you want, I'm not the one acting like it would be funny to see another great player get stabbed you low life.

First of all I got banned for 1 day because of a stupid thread, not because I insult everyone around. Moreover, only a maniac would want someone to get stabbed in the back for whatever reason.
 
First of all I got banned for 1 day because of a stupid thread, not because I insult everyone around. Moreover, only a maniac would want someone to get stabbed in the back for whatever reason.

Why did you put a smilie on that post then? They are usually indicators of something you think is funny. Don't back pedal. If it happened to Nadal you'd love it. I don't like Fed but I would never want anyone to stab him. When I saw that guy run out in the 09 RG final I was worried he was a mad Rafa fan and was gonna attack Fed.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Why did you put a smilie on that post then? They are usually indicators of something you think is funny. Don't back pedal. If it happened to Nadal you'd love it. I don't like Fed but I would never want anyone to stab him. When I saw that guy run out in the 09 RG final I was worried he was a mad Rafa fan and was gonna attack Fed.

Obviously I'd like Federer to win more but not at the cost of someone's stabbing. Get a life already.

I put a smiley because I think Graf was superlucky in her career to avoid Seles while the youngster was about to enter her best years 1993-1995. If it wasn't for the back stabbing nobody would talk about Graf being the women's GOAT as she was beaten repeatedly over and over again on every surface (with the exception of grass) by a teenager. That's why I never appreciate Graf's post-1993 achievements as they never should've happened. The fact that Graf is mentioned in the same boat as Federer is a joke. Not only for the stabbing and the fluke post-1993 wins but for many other reasons.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
First of all I got banned for 1 day because of a stupid thread, not because I insult everyone around. Moreover, only a maniac would want someone to get stabbed in the back for whatever reason.

Were you the only one who got suspended for 1 day? Or was the other poster(s) that was involved with during that time you got suspended too?
 
Obviously I'd like Federer to win more but not at the cost of someone's stabbing. Get a life already.

I put a smiley because I think Graf was superlucky in her career to avoid Seles while the youngster was about to enter her best years 1993-1995. If it wasn't for the back stabbing nobody would talk about Graf being the women's GOAT as she was beaten repeatedly over and over again on every surface (with the exception of grass) by a teenager. That's why I never appreciate Graf's post-1993 achievements as they never should've happened. The fact that Graf is mentioned in the same boat as Federer is a joke. Not only for the stabbing and the fluke post-1993 wins but for many other reasons.

Look, the stabbing shouldn't be talked about anymore. The fact that you're back pedalling shows that you understand what you said was wrong.

I hope you learn from it.
 

Joe Pike

Banned
This photo says it all: Federer clearly in awe of Kobe, who's ignoring him to shake hands with Sampras.

fedkobe.jpg


Without a doubt, Kobe would have ditched them both in a heartbeat just to shake hands with Steffi. ;)


But who is this "Kobe" guy?
I don't think Steffi would know either.
 
Were you the only one who got suspended for 1 day? Or was the other poster(s) that was involved with during that time you got suspended too?

Nope. I didn't get suspended because I retaliated the name calling after he started calling me names in the first place.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Look, the stabbing shouldn't be talked about anymore. The fact that you're back pedalling shows that you understand what you said was wrong.

I hope you learn from it.

Wot? If there is a similar thread I'm going to post the same stuff if I feel like it. You thought that I'd have pleasure watching Nadal go down being stabbed my someone else and I disagreed.

I don't have to LEARN that, I did my homework when I was 3 years old.
 
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