Had our first lesson with Rick today and i can honestly say he is worth 300 an hour.He has Great coaches at his camp and he sees things that other coaches just cant see.He is Amazing!!!
He is great.We are doing the morning camp and doin one hour a day private lesson for five days.I had to sale dope for two months before we came down.Just kidding.
TCFL, Not a fan of the 3D tennis tech by Dr. Brian Gordon?
no junior should be paying that kind of money for a lesson..
No, I don't like the way they have meshed that with Maccis. Rick now hypes it and Gordon, as if its almost mandatory for kid's to improve. Never mind all the greats Macci and Lansdorp and others have helped without it.
Its pure money making to gullible parents. Gordon will work with a kid for an hour and end up making corrections that he could have made in 10 minutes with his naked eyes. The corrections are basic stuff and don't require detailed video analysis. Maybe a top 100 pro can use it to find some tiny detail to tweak, even if its a waste, they can justify the expense as they make lots of money from tennis. Detailed video analysis for a kid at $1000 for 5 sessions is just milking the parents.
Thats the side of Macci I have always cringed at, I think they go over the top on the monetary end with the assorted ways they use to get parents to spend more and more.
It is how things move. Look at the golf industry. They perform this kind of analysis and show you the swing path and all that. You can even use their custom fitting program where they will fit the right club and head for you. And this is for recreational players. So there will always be a market for this. Pros do it first (custom fitting started with them), then the rich club types do it next, and then it will filter down to the poor masses.
I just ordered my second pair of RF Nike Vapors for $120 yesterday from TW. Do you think I play like RF and need all that shoe technology?
I'm not sure 'being sold' on how great it is after one ($300.00) session is rational thinking. Rick has a reputation, as indicated by TCF, but I could (although I can't) name you at least two parents who were sold on their kids "talents" a few years ago who are still no higher than 3 star players in their senior year. Don't be blinded by the celebrity.
I'm not sure 'being sold' on how great it is after one ($300.00) session is rational thinking. Rick has a reputation, as indicated by TCF, but I could (although I can't) name you at least two parents who were sold on their kids "talents" a few years ago who are still no higher than 3 star players in their senior year. Don't be blinded by the celebrity.
Sadly, this is how coaches make their money...
Would say the money that it cost for a week there would be better spent with the local coach where you get a heck of a lot more lessons.
Agreed. I would say for any preteen's 5x60 is a lot better spent than 1x300.
I think it depends. Some families live in tennis dead zones without many good coaches. Macci does give lots of tips to visiting kids, he can fix a lot of errors in that hour.
So if the parents pay attention they can use the tips for months to fix the strokes. If a kid has a mediocre coach, he could go years using the same bad strokes and spend a lot more than $300 and heading nowhere.
I think it depends. Some families live in tennis dead zones without many good coaches. Macci does give lots of tips to visiting kids, he can fix a lot of errors in that hour.
So if the parents pay attention they can use the tips for months to fix the strokes. If a kid has a mediocre coach, he could go years using the same bad strokes and spend a lot more than $300 and heading nowhere.
That's just crazy.. No one can fix a kid's many errors in 1 hour .. I haven't met any kid who can grasp more than 2 things and try to correct them in 1 hour's time,not in tennis ,not in golf...
T.C.F Rick didnt mind her having a western grip on her forehand but he has totally changed her backswing.He has fixed parts of serve and has taught me alot.He lets you record the whole lesson so that when we get home i can help her fix some of the problems in her swing.For me it was worth 1500.00 dollars for the five one hour lessons.It wasnt just her getting a lesson it was also teaching me so many things i didnt know.
Exactly my point. Parents can take notes, videotape, whatever. So its not a one and done thing.
In your case it makes sense because now you can teach her an eliminate her coach for a long time. So $1500 spent if you now have a years worth of teachings is a good deal.
Funny about the western grip. My girl uses it and flat out hits amazing with it. Its suppose to limit them according to tennis lore. Interesting that Rick is chilling on changing it. I am playing it by ear and will look for signs it is limiting her.
I think every kid is different. My kid hit amazing with a western too, however; the move to semi was a painful but great change...eventually. We made the change when he was 8 or 9.
T.C.F Rick didnt mind her having a western grip on her forehand but he has totally changed her backswing.He has fixed parts of serve and has taught me alot.He lets you record the whole lesson so that when we get home i can help her fix some of the problems in her swing.For me it was worth 1500.00 dollars for the five one hour lessons.It wasnt just her getting a lesson it was also teaching me so many things i didnt know.
GAT - Honestly though do you really think any pro in his right mind would dare suggest a grip change in the first lesson, even if he thought it was the right thing to do? If he did, most kids would be crying after 20 minutes and he would probably be losing a customer as a result... I'm guessing it was probably important for him foremost to make the lesson as enjoyable as possible for everyone concerned.
I've seen 14's girls at the last Easter Bowl playing with extreme western. It wasn't pretty. Moonballing from back of the fence and and slicing low forehands won't get them very far I don't think.
Actually he will suggest they switch from Western within 5 minutes of meeting them, if he deems it important. Obviously not on the spot, he advises the parents to work on it at home in a case like this when they are just visiting. I have seen him doing it. heck he "completely changed her backswing" the first lesson.
Its situational. Most girls will be advised to switch away from western. As they age the spin does not penetrate and their balls sit up to get smashed.
But there are indeed girls who can succeed and play D-1 tennis with the western. I would guess Macci looked at her racquet head speed, body type, swing pattern, forehand penetration and decided she should stick with her grip for now.
Some 14s girls will moonball and slice for success no matter what the grip. Thats not the grip, its the training.
Some 14s girls will moonball and slice for success no matter what the grip. Thats not the grip, its the training.
OK TCF, I'll play. What do you charge an hour? You obviously know what to look for, what can RM tell a young visitor kid in the first few lessons that you couldn't?
Point was, as you know the western is great to moonball chest high but makes it virtually impossible to pick up a low ball and come forward. Kids who use the western are forced to slice low balls to their forehands because there's not much else they can do .
I said in my post if a kid lives in a tennis dead zone and parents are paying for coaching but not advancing the kid. In that case seeing a great coach can allow the parents to work with the kid and correct lots of issues that they have been stagnant on.
Since I worked with Macci you question does not apply. I learned many of his tricks from him, and pass them on at a cheaper rate than he does.
If a kid has no access to a competent coach than a few lessons with a great coach can allow them to progress. I see lots of kids with straight take backs and serves that make you cringe so whoever is coaching them stinks.
The #1 girl in the TRN Class of 2015 has played 27 tournaments in the last 12 months, and is ranked at the top, but her strokes are brutal and will dead end if not fixed soon. Whoever coaches her does not know how to correct the problems. Had a Macci gotten her for a few lessons early on maybe she would have better strokes.....if they are going to put that much time and effort and money into a kid's tennis than $300/hour for a few hours sure would not have hurt.
T.C.F Ricks main thing he changed with my daughter was her take back.He really wants that elbow to stay on the hitting side.He also talks alot about keeping the hitting arm straight while your pulling the racket forward.
Had our first lesson with Rick today and i can honestly say he is worth 300 an hour.He has Great coaches at his camp and he sees things that other coaches just cant see.He is Amazing!!!
Thanks. He told us we need to video the lesson and he would break down all of her strokes and explain what needs tweaking. So we intend to sit and listen throughout the hour. We are only taking her there one morning, but if we think it is worth it, would totally do it once a year when we are down for vacation.