Federer-Nadal WTF Finals RR 2011

Federer vs Nadal WTF Finals RR 2011


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bullfan

Legend
^^^^I don't know about you, but I don't want Fed to choke during the match. He has been doing that lately on the big stages.

I just want to see a really good Fed-Nadal match..... I don't know how many more of them we'll get...... So, I hope we get 2 in this tournament.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Seriously? Federer is 30, he's won here 5 times, he's beaten Nadal 3 times, it can't continue happening forever. I mean Federer has got a better chance against Nadal here than many other places, but for Federer to win 2 things must happen.

1. He must play fairly well.
2. He must not think "ahh it's Nadal" and choke.

It's hard to say either will happen. It's about a 50/50 chance I think


I don't understand your logic. Fed has played Rafa 3 times at WTF (and vs a more dominant Rafa than this year) and he has NEVER choked on that surface, quite the opposite. Why would he start now :confused:
This is the ONLY surface where Fed feels supremely confident vs Rafa. If he loses, it will be because of not keeping up with the pace, intensity, being a bit slower, lack of focus or something like that, it will clearly not be a confidence issue, especially since Fed just won the Paris master for the first time while Rafa arrives at WTF after some shaky results and a long break.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
I would love to see Rafa beat Fed on this London hardcourt -
Same here, except that its at 1:30 AM my time. I guess I'll catch the replay at 3:30pm.

And who says this is not RAfa's surface. Rafa was very tired in last years final. He has never lost when healthy, or fresh. In fact, now he wins even when sick and barfing. Clearly his level has risen beyond even 2009-10. This is his prime-peak.
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
Same here, except that its at 1:30 AM my time. I guess I'll catch the replay at 3:30pm.

And who says this is not RAfa's surface. Rafa was very tired in last years final. He has never lost when healthy, or fresh. In fact, now he wins even when sick and barfing. Clearly his level has risen beyond even 2009-10. This is his prime-peak.

yes defintely when you have people like Mardy Fish who choke in the end even im at my peak.
 

rofl_copter3

Professional
Nadal can claim sick or whatever it comes down to he is screwed up in the head right now and on a court that doesnt treat his style of play too nice. Federer has been pretty sharp up til last match, and most likely playing Nadal will focus him and hopefully result in great tennis from him
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
I don't understand your logic. Fed has played Rafa 3 times at WTF (and vs a more dominant Rafa than this year) and he has NEVER choked on that surface, quite the opposite. Why would he start now :confused:
This is the ONLY surface where Fed feels supremely confident vs Rafa. If he loses, it will be because of not keeping up with the pace, intensity, being a bit slower, lack of focus or something like that, it will clearly not be a confidence issue, especially since Fed just won the Paris master for the first time while Rafa arrives at WTF after some shaky results and a long break.

The surface doesn't effect his mental state, and he has choked against Nadal a lot before, he'll be ahead then play a bad point and lose it and start coming in at the wrong time, or dump a 2nd serve into the net on breakpoint. He only needs Nadal to break him (one bad service game) and it could happen. It might not, but it could. I mean Federer had never choked a match away to nadal on grass until 2008...fisrt time for everything (EDIT he didn't choke the match away but he choked in it, everytime he got break point).

In 2006 and 2006 he was both a better player and he had wins at Wimbledon he was coming off (in terms of last meetings with Nadal) and that 2007 win brought the H2H to 8-6 in Federer's favour, so really he was not getting beaten by Nadal almost every time - he had much less mental scars against the guy. Last year he played very well and his backhand was a weapon, but that doesn't mean it will be like this every match.

I'm surprised that people can say Nadal is such a big underdog on the basis of 3 matches over 5 years. It's just a sea of overconfident Federer fans and Nadal fans making him super underdog so that when the inevitable happens and Nadal does beat Federer at the WTF at last (maybe not this year, but some year in the future), it will be hailed as a monumental feat, when in reality against a 30 year old Federer it's probably 50/50 at worst. I mean if they had met 6 or 7 times indoor and Federer had won every one, fair enough although age still catches up with you. But 3 meetings? Not a lot to base the belief that even an older Federer has it in the bag.

Do't get me wrong, I think Federer playing well and not choking would win 9 times out of 10 indoors, but I can't rely on both those things happening. I mean I think a Federer playing his best would have the edge on most hardcourt and grass just like Nadal would be virtually unbeatable on clay, but the H2H hasn't worked out like that
 
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The surface doesn't effect his mental state, and he has choked against Nadal a lot before, he'll be ahead then play a bad point and lose it and start coming in at the wrong time, or dump a 2nd serve into the net on breakpoint. He only needs Nadal to break him (one bad service game) and it could happen. It might not, but it could. I mean Federer had never choked a match away to nadal on grass until 2008...fisrt time for everything.

In 2006 and 2006 he was both a better player and he had wins at Wimbledon he was coming off (in terms of last meetings with Nadal) and that 2007 win brought the H2H to 8-6 in Federer's favour, so really he was not getting beaten by Nadal almost every time - he had much less mental scars against the guy. Last year he played very well and his backhand was a weapon, but that doesn't mean it will be like this every match.

I'm surprised that people can say Nadal is such a big underdog on the basis of 3 matches over 5 years. It's just a sea of overconfident Federer fans and Nadal fans making him super underdog so that when the inevitable happens and Nadal does beat Federer at the WTF at last (maybe not this year, but some year in the future), it will be hailed as a monumental feat, when in reality against a 30 year old Federer it's probably 50/50 at worst. I mean if they had met 6 or 7 times indoor and Federer had won every one, fair enough although age still catches up with you. But 3 meetings? Not a lot to base the belief that even an older Federer has it in the bag.

Do't get me wrong, I think Federer playing well and not choking would win 9 times out of 10 indoors, but I can't rely on both those things happening. I mean I think a Federer playing his best would have the edge on most hardcourt and grass just like Nadal would be virtually unbeatable on clay, but the H2H hasn't worked out like that

Your common sense and fair points are not welcome on this board. You must pick a player and worship him irrationally like a deity.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Yep. Just like clay: 5-1 in the Hamburg first set and then loses it 5-7. Good old days :)

And I wouldn't rule that out on any surface. I remember watching that and as soon as he got broken at 5-1 I turned to my brother and said "He won't even get to a tiebreak, he'll lose this 7-5"

What's good old days about it though? Nadal still wins nearly every match they play, not like much has actually changed :lol:
 

DragonBlaze

Hall of Fame
The surface doesn't effect his mental state, and he has choked against Nadal a lot before, he'll be ahead then play a bad point and lose it and start coming in at the wrong time, or dump a 2nd serve into the net on breakpoint. He only needs Nadal to break him (one bad service game) and it could happen. It might not, but it could. I mean Federer had never choked a match away to nadal on grass until 2008...fisrt time for everything (EDIT he didn't choke the match away but he choked in it, everytime he got break point).

In 2006 and 2006 he was both a better player and he had wins at Wimbledon he was coming off (in terms of last meetings with Nadal) and that 2007 win brought the H2H to 8-6 in Federer's favour, so really he was not getting beaten by Nadal almost every time - he had much less mental scars against the guy. Last year he played very well and his backhand was a weapon, but that doesn't mean it will be like this every match.

I'm surprised that people can say Nadal is such a big underdog on the basis of 3 matches over 5 years. It's just a sea of overconfident Federer fans and Nadal fans making him super underdog so that when the inevitable happens and Nadal does beat Federer at the WTF at last (maybe not this year, but some year in the future), it will be hailed as a monumental feat, when in reality against a 30 year old Federer it's probably 50/50 at worst. I mean if they had met 6 or 7 times indoor and Federer had won every one, fair enough although age still catches up with you. But 3 meetings? Not a lot to base the belief that even an older Federer has it in the bag.

Do't get me wrong, I think Federer playing well and not choking would win 9 times out of 10 indoors, but I can't rely on both those things happening. I mean I think a Federer playing his best would have the edge on most hardcourt and grass just like Nadal would be virtually unbeatable on clay, but the H2H hasn't worked out like that

Agreed. I am so jealous you are going to be at the match! Hopefully its a good one!
 

Fedalfan

Semi-Pro
Agreed. I am so jealous you are going to be at the match! Hopefully its a good one!

Me too! Really jealous of all those who get to watch this live!
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MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Federer's polo looks soooooooo nice compared to Rafa's kit. It's too thin and baggy. Anyway, why is Rafa holding the racquet in his right hand, and Federer holding his in his left o_O
 

ruerooo

Legend
Federer's polo looks soooooooo nice compared to Rafa's kit. It's too thin and baggy. Anyway, why is Rafa holding the racquet in his right hand, and Federer holding his in his left o_O

I think they both look great. I like Rafa's offset design -- it's Constellation Rafa!

(Didn't he have an asteroid named after him, or something, back in 2009?)
 

ZeroSkid

Banned
Federer's polo looks soooooooo nice compared to Rafa's kit. It's too thin and baggy. Anyway, why is Rafa holding the racquet in his right hand, and Federer holding his in his left o_O

I disagree it looks like the same thing Fed wears all the time, nadals kit looks much nicer
 

namelessone

Legend
No, Nadal wanted everyone to think he's tired and out of focus, who when Roger comes he can dominate his BH again. I do think Fed will have a much better shot at beating Djokovic than Nadal will.

Damn that Nadal and his head(and stomach) games.
 

Magnus

Legend
Damn that Nadal and his head(and stomach) games.

Don't get me wrong. This is brilliant of Nadal. Let me ask you this: How many times have you seen Nadal play badly and everyone was writing him off, yet when the big match came and everyone thought he was doomed, he suddenly played like a warrior and wiped the floor with his opponent? Nadal likes being the underdog, unlike Federer who likes being the favorite.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
LOL..so much hype about this match? 7 threads and it's not even started.

This is not even a GS final. Furthermore, none of the 2 players is ranked #1 or anywhere close to it..
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
LOL..so much hype about this match? 7 threads and it's not even started.

This is not even a GS final. Furthermore, none of the 2 players is ranked #1 or anywhere close to it..

I guess being ranked #2 isn't anywhere close to #1....

And Federer all the way down there at #4 might as well not be in the top 100...
 
It will be embarassing for Federer if he can't beat a sick and rusty Nadal on his worst surface, plus Federer is in brilliant form.
 

Magnus

Legend
It will be embarassing for Federer if he can't beat a sick and rusty Nadal on his worst surface, plus Federer is in brilliant form.

LOL at *******s already finding excuses. Now Nadal is sick.

Seriously, was Nadal ever healthy in his life? Was he ever not injured?

Federer and Nadal both played mediocre 1st matches. Both won their match in a 3rd set.

Like always Fed will have the chance to win and will blow it.
 

Ralph

Hall of Fame
It will be embarassing for Federer if he can't beat a sick and rusty Nadal on his worst surface, plus Federer is in brilliant form.

Alternatively, it will be embarrassing for for Ralph if he can't beat an old and slower Federer on a higher bouncing than last year surface, plus Nadal is still in his prime*.

*How many Major finals and MS1000s finals has he made this year?
 

TennisLovaLova

Hall of Fame
It will be embarassing for Federer if he can't beat a sick and rusty Nadal on his worst surface, plus Federer is in brilliant form.

Yeah.
He's in such a good form that he even created Deaderror after ******** came in set 2 vs tsonga on monday

I'm not gonna watch this match, can bear the pressure, it makes me sick.
I'll watch it on youtube if Federer wins.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
If Fed wins today (no matter in 2 or 3 sets), he advances from the 1st position and Tsonga/Nadal will decide which of the 2 advances directly to the semis.
If Fed loses today (no matter in 2 or 3 sets), he will have to beat Fish convincingly (something like 6-3 6-3 or better) to advance from 1st or 2nd position.
 
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iriraz

Hall of Fame
If Fed wins today (no matter in 2 or 3 sets), he advances from the 1st position and Tsonga/Nadal will decide which of the 2 advances directly to the semis.
If Fed loses today (no matter in 2 or 3 sets), he will have to beat Fish convincingly (something like 6-3 6-3 or better) to advance from 1st or 2nd position.

U are correct here but if Federer loses today and Nadal beats Tsonga then it doesn`t make a difference how Federer wins against Fish.It all gets complicated if 3 players would finish with 2-1 or 1-2 record.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Its a WIN-WIN for Nadal both ways today.

If he wins, a tired Nadal, coming from a long rest, beats a prime, peak Fed on Nadals worst surface, and Fred's bestest.

IF tired from marathon against Fish Nadal loses, he was back from a long rest, against peaking fresh Fred.
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
Its a WIN-WIN for Nadal both ways today.

If he wins, a tired Nadal, coming from a long rest, beats a prime, peak Fed on Nadals worst surface, and Fred's bestest.

IF tired from marathon against Fish Nadal loses, he was back from a long rest, against peaking fresh Fred.

WIN WIN for fed today
If loses lost to the guy he always loses to
IF he wins HE IS THE MAN!!!
 

CDestroyer

Professional
Fed has really played brilliantly lately. Indoors, fast conditions, low bounces? Nadal doesn't have a chance.

Fed 6-4 6-3
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Its a WIN-WIN for Nadal both ways today.

If he wins, a tired Nadal, coming from a long rest, beats a prime, peak Fed on Nadals worst surface, and Fred's bestest.

IF tired from marathon against Fish Nadal loses, he was back from a long rest, against peaking fresh Fred.

Federer also had a 3 set match that same day. Why would one guy be more tired than the other? And furthermore, Nadal had a super-long rest and is raring to go while Federer has been playing constantly.
 
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