2012 Murray's last chance to win a slam

Tammo · Dec 22, 2011

Andy has been in the top 4 for at least 3 years now, and the top 10 for 5 years (?). He has been the British hope for a while. I feel that so far his carrer is similar to Davydenko's, good but not good enough. IMO if Andy doesn't get a slam and show people he can actually handle the big matches, he won't ever be taken seriously again.

I also realize that the draws have a mental toll on Murray, cause if you see your in Nadal's half for the past 10 slams, and you just lost 3 times in a row in the slams only coming off with 2 sets I would be disapointed.

Thoughts?

Clarky21 · Dec 22, 2011

I don't think it will be his last chance. With the lack of quality competition I think he has several more years to try and win one if he doesn't win one next year. The only question is will he be able to beat Cvac in order to do it since he is the only barrier between Andy winning a slam? That remains to be seen.

Mike Sams · Dec 22, 2011

If Murray wants a Slam, all he has to do is look at the footage of himself in the first set of Wimbledon 2011 semifinals and the third set of the finals of the Japan Open this year and then realize he needs to play like that consistently against the top 3 guys. THEN he will have Slam trophies on his mantlepiece.

Homeboy Hotel · Dec 22, 2011

Clarky21 said:
The only question is will he be able to beat Cvac in order to do it since he is the only barrier between Andy winning a slam? That remains to be seen.

I don't think thats an issue, Murray has shown him the exit in 3 Masters finals all in straight sets, two before Cvac 2.0 came along, and was a point away from beating PEAK Cvac 2.0 on his worst surface. And the way both have been playing as of late, with Djokovic going back to his average game, I think Murray's chances of being Cvac are big - most especially at Wimbledon.

Back to the OP, I dont understand this constant fascination of having to put a specific deadline on Murray winning a slam. He's fit, healthy, and most importantly hungry = that's all that matters. We don't put 'deadlines' on say Murray's other counterparts a couple of years older than him.

And I understand what you mean by some sort of 'metal toll' on Murray having to play Nadal, but I don't believe that for one second. It's not the same metal toll Nadal has playing Djokovic, because this guy loves playing Nadal and match by match he gets even closer to matches going his way, he knows he can (and has) beaten him before.

The guy just needs to sort his attitude and mental game in the second week of slams and he can be the next guy to have a mammoth year.

batz · Dec 22, 2011

Tammo said:
Andy has been in the top 4 for at least 3 years now, and the top 10 for 5 years (?). He has been the British hope for a while. I feel that so far his carrer is similar to Davydenko's, good but not good enough. IMO if Andy doesn't get a slam and show people he can actually handle the big matches, he won't ever be taken seriously again.

I also realize that the draws have a mental toll on Murray, cause if you see your in Nadal's half for the past 10 slams, and you just lost 3 times in a row in the slams only coming off with 2 sets I would be disapointed.

Thoughts?

Murray's 2011 slam record is better than Davydenko's entire career slam record, and you think they are comparable? When did Davy lose his 3 slam finals?

Tammo · Dec 22, 2011

Homeboy Hotel said:
The guy just needs to sort his attitude and mental game in the second week of slams and he can be the next guy to have a mammoth year.

I'vs also noticed that Murray will lose sets to nobodys. Like to Giermo Travers at Wimbledon he lost the first set 6-4. Or to Hasse at the USO he was pushed to 5 sets.

Tammo · Dec 22, 2011

batz said:
Murray's 2011 slam record is better than Davydenko's entire career slam record, and you think they are comparable? When did Davy lose his 3 slam finals?

I feel that their type of career is similar. Denko lost 3 (?) times to Fed in semifinals and Murray has lost twice in finals to Fed. Murray is much much better, but I've just noticed that neither one could go the last step.

batz · Dec 22, 2011

Tammo said:
I'vs also noticed that Murray will lose sets to nobodys. Like to Giermo Travers at Wimbledon he lost the first set 6-4. Or to Hasse at the USO he was pushed to 5 sets.

Have you noticed that other players lose sets to nobodies too?

celoft · Dec 22, 2011

Not his last but his clock is ticking.

Homeboy Hotel · Dec 22, 2011

Tammo said:
I'vs also noticed that Murray will lose sets to nobodys. Like to Giermo Travers at Wimbledon he lost the first set 6-4. Or to Hasse at the USO he was pushed to 5 sets.

Doesn't everybody? Didn't Haase take a set off Djokovic at Australian Open 2011? [Insert several more examples of Fed and Nadal here]

I saw the Giermo Travers match, and that was quite simply him stupidly double faulting his serve game away at 4-4, he wasn't playing that well, he lost the match a little later 6-0 as I'm sure you know. And Haase, I saw that match also - Haase was playing out of his mind, the guy has an epic game to say the least, serving and hitting big.

But surely that 5 set match (and many more) should emphasise the champion and athlete Murray is by coming back from 2 sets and a break to win the match. He can win a slam, just gotta really put his head into gear.

batz · Dec 22, 2011

Tammo said:
I feel that their type of career is similar. Denko lost 3 (?) times to Fed in semifinals and Murray has lost twice in finals to Fed. Murray is much much better, but I've just noticed that neither one could go the last step.

Davy has never made a slam final and has only been to 4 slam semis in his entire career; Murray's 2011 is a better record than that. Tim Henman has been to more slam semi finals than Davydenko! Davydenko's and Murray's slam records are not even close.

No current player has had a similar career to Murray as nobody has made 3 slam finals and lost them whilst having 8 masters titles to their name. Then again nobody in the open era who lost their first 3 slam finals finished their career slamless. Time will tell.

tacou · Dec 22, 2011

Clarky21 said:
The only question is will he be able to beat Cvac in order to do it since he is the only barrier between Andy winning a slam? That remains to be seen.

Murray lost 3 times in slams last year to Nadal, 1 to Novak.

kaku · Dec 22, 2011

Homeboy Hotel said:
Back to the OP, I dont understand this constant fascination of having to put a specific deadline on Murray winning a slam. He's fit, healthy, and most importantly hungry = that's all that matters. We don't put 'deadlines' on say Murray's other counterparts a couple of years older than him.

I agree. Tsonga is being considered to win a slam next year and unless it happens at the AO, he will be 27 when he does it. Murray is still 24 and is being written of if he hasn't won one by 25.

nethawkwenatchee · Dec 22, 2011

Tammo said:
I'vs also noticed that Murray will lose sets to nobodys. Like to Giermo Travers at Wimbledon he lost the first set 6-4. Or to Hasse at the USO he was pushed to 5 sets.

Haase is a very tricky and streaky player. All the top players know that he is capible of the big upset win.

Murray, is one of the most consistant players out there and his capibilities are well documented. His chances of winning a slam are as good as any of the top players this year and for years to come (if his body holds up)

Tammo · Dec 22, 2011

kaku said:
I agree. Tsonga is being considered to win a slam next year and unless it happens at the AO, he will be 27 when he does it. Murray is still 24 and is being written of if he hasn't won one by 25.

Good point. I guess Murray has been overhyped alot.

Mainad · Dec 22, 2011

Tammo said:
Good point. I guess Murray has been overhyped alot.

Well his age certainly has. As was pointed out, nobody goes on about the clock of time ticking away for Tsonga who is two years older than Murray but still thought of as a potential Slam winner!

Subventricular Zone · Dec 22, 2011

No. As long as he's in it, he has a chance as do 127 others. I think he will do it when people least expect it.

passive_aggressive · Dec 22, 2011

Murray already passed his deadline.

He won't get anywhere near a sniff of even a Grand Slam QUARTER final in 2012.

Homeboy Hotel · Dec 22, 2011

passive_aggressive said:
Murray already passed his deadline.

He won't get anywhere near a sniff of even a Grand Slam QUARTER final in 2012.

Good to see you back, you brainless fool.

BeHappy · Dec 22, 2011

kaku said:
I agree. Tsonga is being considered to win a slam next year and unless it happens at the AO, he will be 27 when he does it. Murray is still 24 and is being written of if he hasn't won one by 25.

Well the way he plays he will have a longer career than Murray (providing his injury troubles are behind him, which is a BIG if).

Tammo · Dec 22, 2011

batz said:
Murray's 2011 slam record is better than Davydenko's entire career slam record, and you think they are comparable? When did Davy lose his 3 slam finals?

Murray is much better as I have already stated. They both have gone deep into several slams with many QF and SF stages, but I'm saying they both can't go the last step, or can't keep up their level. Of course Murray is the better overall player, but they each had a couple opponents that they couldn't beat in the big matches of the slams. For Davy it was Federer, and Murray has Nadal.

TTMR · Dec 22, 2011

People say this every year. Ivanisevic didn't win a slam until age 29, and that was a guy who was basically only really competitive for one of the four. Opportunity and age suggest Murray will get at least one by the time he is done, barring serious injury.

Do you see Murray falling off the map and becoming a journeyman? Or is he a consistent top 5 player regardless? If the latter, there will be plenty of opportunities for him.

djokovicgonzalez2010 · Dec 22, 2011

Haase didn't take a set off Novak. It was Dodig.

Tammo · Dec 22, 2011

TTMR said:
Do you see Murray falling off the map and becoming a journeyman? Or is he a consistent top 5 player regardless? If the latter, there will be plenty of opportunities for him.

I believe that if Murray doesn't win a slam in 2012 he will drop lower and become more of a journeyman.

zagor · Dec 23, 2011

He's what 24? A bit early to write him off in such a way. His slam title might come when people are least expecting it, the game can be very unpredictable.

Andres · Dec 23, 2011

Homeboy Hotel said:
Doesn't everybody? Didn't Haase take a set off Djokovic at Australian Open 2011?

Nnnno, he didn't. They didn't even play.

batz · Dec 23, 2011

Tammo said:
I believe that if Murray doesn't win a slam in 2012 he will drop lower and become more of a journeyman.

Why do you believe this will happen? Winning non-slams and picking up ranking points hasn't been too tough for Murray since he arrived on tour - why do you think it will start to get tough at the age of 25?

batz · Dec 23, 2011

zagor said:
He's what 24? A bit early to write him off in such a way. His slam title might come when people are least expecting it, the game can be very unpredictable.

Yep - won't be 25 until May, but apparently he's on the cusp of being done. Unlike the new kids on the block - Tsonga, Soderling and Berdych; who will be 27, 28, and 27 this year. Apparently those losing slam finalists don't warrant a 'last chance in 2012' thread.

Russeljones · Dec 23, 2011

I agree with the OP. After 2012 the new guys will most likely give him a hard time, whoever they may be.

Tammo · Dec 23, 2011

batz said:
Why do you believe this will happen? Winning non-slams and picking up ranking points hasn't been too tough for Murray since he arrived on tour - why do you think it will start to get tough at the age of 25?

Because he won't have done anything to make his game more offensive, and by that time IMO it will be too late.

DRII · Dec 23, 2011

Clarky21 said:
I don't think it will be his last chance. With the lack of quality competition I think he has several more years to try and win one if he doesn't win one next year. The only question is will he be able to beat Cvac in order to do it since he is the only barrier between Andy winning a slam? That remains to be seen.

Interesting,

I think Murray in his heart of hearts feels he's a better player than Nole.

DRII · Dec 23, 2011

Tammo said:
Because he won't have done anything to make his game more offensive, and by that time IMO it will be too late.

You very well may be correct! Also even though he's a very good mover, Murray is a big guy and his style of play has to start taking a toll on him soon.

celoft · Dec 23, 2011

DRII said:
Interesting,

I think Murray in his heart of hearts feels he's a better player than Nole.

When is Murray planning to actually show this? So far, nada.

tennis_pro · Dec 23, 2011

Agree. If he doesn't win a major in 2012 I don't think he ever will. Might as well end his career as a 2.0 Mecir.

stringertom · Dec 23, 2011

'12 will not be a deadline but the pressure escalates with each major without the trophy. If he doesn't cash in, or at least give a memorable effort in a SF or final, I'm afraid the mental block will grow to epic dimensions. That might shut his chances down faster than the physical clock ticking down.

Sentinel · Dec 23, 2011

I believe that if Federer doesn't win a slam in 2012 he will drop lower and become more of a journeyman.

tusharlovesrafa · Dec 23, 2011

Sentinel said:
I believe that if Federer doesn't win a slam in 2012 he will drop lower and become more of a journeyman.

Federer is a journeyman since 2003,when he won his 1st major.He played in a weak era which helped him accumulate 16 slams,duh!

Cup8489 · Dec 23, 2011

tusharlovesrafa said:
Federer is a journeyman since 2003,when he won his 1st major.He played in a weak era which helped him accumulate 16 slams,duh!

You fool.. you can't win 16 majors if you're not very good at tennis. Ask Rafa what it's like to win 16 majors. he can't tell you, BECAUSE HE HASNT DONE IT.

God, you know NOTHING of tennis.

kragster · Dec 23, 2011

Cup8489 said:
You fool.. you can't win 16 majors if you're not very good at tennis. Ask Rafa what it's like to win 16 majors. he can't tell you, BECAUSE HE HASNT DONE IT.

God, you know NOTHING of tennis.

I'm pretty sure he was kidding dude, chill

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kragster · Dec 23, 2011

I believe that if Murray doesn't win a slam in 2012, then he will be slamless unless he wins a slam from 2013-2020.

There is also a high chance that if Murray doesn't win either the AO,FO, Wimby or USO in 2012, then he will go slamless that year.

West Coast Ace · Dec 23, 2011

kragster said:
I'm pretty sure he was kidding dude, chill .

You haven't been around these boards very long - never underestimate the craziness of some of the posters.

I don't think this is Murray's last year. But I know why these threads come up about him - because of the Mental Fragility he shows on court. He just doesn't give off anything that makes you think he can hang in and win a tough major final. And the chances of getting an easy finals opponent are very remote.

I'm starting to think like TTMR - he can't beat the top 3 but if he hangs around long enough and they retire/decline, he might get one later in his career.

Cup8489 · Dec 23, 2011

kragster said:
I'm pretty sure he was kidding dude, chill .

Naaa, tushar really is a *******.. He keeps proving it over and over.

DeShaun · Dec 23, 2011

I think Murray is the next number-one-in waiting, like Novak was. I really believe that Murray will take over the number one spot in 2013. He is too athletic, still so young, and immensely skilled with a racquet not to grab the number one ranking eventually IMO.He's that good, but naturally is having a hard time breaking through against the three guys who are ahead of him.

cork_screw · Dec 23, 2011

Davydenko is nowhere near Murray (at the time when he was ranked similar spot). Murray has been deeper in grand slam tournaments than Davydenko and Davydenko, even if he made it deep you felt like he had no chance if he ever encountered Novak or Federer, maybe Nadal. But Murray isn't doing poorly at all. He's still young and even if he was 29 years old and still in this position without a grand slam, I would say he still has a great shot of winning a grand slam. Andy Murray is very capable of beating any of the top 3 and has won some big 1000 masters tournies. I think people are rushing to judgment when they spell his future without understanding that some things take time and aren't immediate.

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