There are countless factors which could be affecting your serve...Recently I had trouble with making solid contact with my serve after not playing for a while and what got me back to serving well was to focus on keeping my elbow up throughout the serve
If you can get into a good trophy position then just working on having a smooth swing up into contact your serve will fall into place and then you can start tweaking little things
You probably are pronating somewhat, and might be forcing the pronation when you try to "pronate" But the trick with pronation is that its the last part of the service motion, and if everything is done correctly, it should feel very effortless, which is where debate comes in about how much pronation is "forced" through arm rotation, or whether it is just a natural release of the built up energy.
You might need to try and get your stroke going "up" more rather than "forward" towards your opponent, which will create better, and faster, pronation.
Thanks for the advice. I do normally get solid contact at serve , and I quite serve big for a player of my standard ( I can hit the back fence on one bounce regularly), but when I try to pronate, I feel I'm kind of flapping at the ball. Maybe Iam pronating without knowing it.
I understand this technique is a great way to get a bigger serve. I understand what you need to do for this technique, but I've been trying it, and I find I can't get a good contact on the ball. Ball contact seems to be weaker. Are there any tips to help with this technique?
Fedchamp. Question for ya. Stand up from the computer and shadow throw an imaginary ball. Bring the throwing hand back to just behind your ear to begin the throw. Now, which way is your hand facing when the ball is even with your ear?
I understand this technique is a great way to get a bigger serve. I understand what you need to do for this technique, but I've been trying it, and I find I can't get a good contact on the ball. Ball contact seems to be weaker. Are there any tips to help with this technique?
Protating on serve is not something you do actively. It happens automatically from good technique and a relaxed arm, wrist and hand.
I understand this technique is a great way to get a bigger serve. I understand what you need to do for this technique, but I've been trying it, and I find I can't get a good contact on the ball. Ball contact seems to be weaker. Are there any tips to help with this technique?
Fedchamp. Question for ya. Stand up from the computer and shadow throw an imaginary ball. Bring the throwing hand back to just behind your ear to begin the throw. Now, which way is your hand facing when the ball is even with your ear?
Nice video links by charlie and storm.
I believe that if you are serving using a continental grip and the proper form the pronation should naturally follow. In my experience, players might lose useful pronation by trying to stretch up too much to hit the ball. If you are straightening out the angle between the forearm and the racket too much at contact, it will sap the ability to use pronation to bring racket-head speed thru the ball. Check on video to see this isn't happening.
Another thing to get natural pronation is to make sure that you are lagging the racket head into the ball. Make certain that you are pulling the racket butt strongly up toward the ball out of the drop and you should naturally have to pronate to get good contact with the ball.
Gotta see your serve.
For solid pronation, hold conti grip that you can volley both fore AND backhands, serve a FLAT BALL. Use a closed stance. That is normal pronation.
My hand is facing with the imaginary ball pointed toward the imaginary target.
Grip the racket with the Eastern BACKHAND grip.
It will force exsessive pronation since otherwise you won't be able to hit the ball at all. Over time, your wrirst will become more flexible and pronation will become your second nature.
Yeah. Mine too. Perfectly reasonable way to throw if you're only interested in accuracy. But try this with the imaginary ball. Turn your hand 90 degrees so your hand is facing your face, and then another 90 degrees so your hand is actually facing backwards and start your throwing motion like that. What do you notice is happening?
FedChamp.....
What is easier for you might not be the best for anyone, including you.
You have to learn how to hit closed stance conti gripped flats and wide slices, it's not something your brain cal do instantly.
Watch 1,000 men and women pros. They ALL use closed stance conti or conti towards eBACKhand grips on their serves.
Now you're saying an open stance is better for you? Think about this.
Actually you're right. I'd do this to throw further and to put spin on the ball as well (is this what a baseball pitcher does?). The hand rotates counter-clockwise on the forward throw. (I'm right-handed btw).
Most players believe a very closed stance the best for hitting American twist serves.
A "semi open" stance promotes less spin, and works only for beginners just like an eastern forehand grip is easiest for beginners in tennis.
But isn't there a point where such a closed stance actually disallows twist on the ball? It seems like if you're closed like McEnroe, by the time you make contact with the ball most of your twist has already been expended.
Of course, in every stroke you make, as in every decision you make, there is the point of DIMINISHING RETURNS.
Try serving with a prep stance that has you body facing your opponent.
Try serving with your prep stance that faces your entire back to your opponent.
Compromise, like everything in life, you need to find the balance between too little and too much.
YOU KNOW THAT!
The perfect balance is easily found by compilatng every pro level serve, and find the average.
Could you explain what a semi open stance is? I've honestly never heard the term. I'm assuming it's somewhere in between McEnroe and Goran, but I don't know why it would be called "semi open".