Spanish to sue French broadcaster over Nadal drug skit!

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

Dilettante said:
What exactly do baseball players dope for?

Are you kidding? A baseball player who hits 30 HRs a year may make $8-12 Mill a year. A player who hits 50-70 HRs makes $20-30 mill a year so they figure the odds of getting caught are tiny but the payoff is huge. Ban them for life the 1st time caught and it would stop it.

Dilettante · Feb 8, 2012

volleygirl said:
Are you kidding? A baseball player who hits 30 HRs a year may make $8-12 Mill a year. A player who hits 50-70 HRs makes $20-30 mill a year so they figure the odds of getting caught are tiny but the payoff is huge. Ban them for life the 1st time caught and it would stop it.

I don't know anything about baseball. How do drugs help to hit more HRs? Is it about muscle more than about skill?

Tennis is about skill, I know that.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

Dilettante said:
I don't know anything about baseball. How do drugs help to hit more HRs? Is it about muscle more than about skill?

Tennis is about skill, I know that.

Hitting a baseball takes more skill than anything else in sports.

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

Dilettante said:
I don't know anything about baseball. How do drugs help to hit more HRs? Is it about muscle more than about skill?

Tennis is about skill, I know that.

Theres definitely a skill to hitting a baseball but the PEDs the baseball elite were using a decade ago made the hitters almost like Superman. Barry Bonds went from hitting around 28-33 hRs a year to a point where no one wanted to pitch to him. He hit 73 HRs in a year where he also walked almost 200 times also. He probably wouldve hit 100 HRs if the pitchers truly pitched to him and he did all this at an age where most players are retiring, not having the best season in the history of the sport. The PEDs wont turn an ordinary Joe into a pro, but will turn a very good player into an all star, and will make an all star an ungodly freak on the field.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

People are talking about steroids and blood doping, but the drug that is most beneficial to enhance skill right away in sports that require a high level of focus and hand eye coordination are the stimulant drugs, in pro baseball players pop Adderall like M&Ms to help with batting.

When you see someone as fidgety and energetic as Nadal, you have to wonder if he uses stimulants.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
Thats all well and good except you seem to be ignorant of an important fact, Armstrong had testicular cancer he had a medical exemption to use steroids up to the testing limits so it is a moot point, there was nothing to find in regards to steroid use, yes he used steroid and yes he was allowed, he can't even live a normal life without them, his body doesn't produce testosterone.

Had no idea you needed your testes to make EPO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin). I guess you're ignorant of the fact that testosterone ISN'T the only way to dope in cycling. If he was granted a medical exception for testosterone use, that would be the only steroid that he could use. Also, the one time he tested positive for steroids it wasn't for testosterone, it was for a corticosteroid, something that isn't produced in your testes.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

merlinpinpin said:
EPO sure wasn't part of what he was allowed to use, though...

Come on merlinpinpin, Lsmkenpo has taught us that testes produce all PEDs naturally and since Lance lost one of his testes he can use them all to his heart's content.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
Hitting a baseball takes more skill than anything else in sports.

Ehhhh. Not really.

Mustard · Feb 8, 2012

Dilettante said:
I don't think that was it, although it eventually added. It was something previous to the Federer and Nadal 2005 semifinal. RG crowd attitude towards Nadal seemed cold and even slighty hostile from the begining of the tournament. I'd say even before the Nadal-Grosjean match was played. I really never understood what it was, but I remember it perfectly. Something strange was in the air and never disappeared.

What was it? I don't know.

The umpire refused to come down and check a mark after Nadal broke Grosjean in the opening game of the second set to go a set and a break up. The crowd starting booing and whistling and held up play for 10 minutes. Nadal got impatient after a while and started making shushing gestures at them, while Grosjean milked the crowd's reaction for a few minutes. It rattled Nadal for a while as Grosjean came back to win the second set, but Nadal then cruised through the next 2 sets to get the victory.

I should also mention that in the previous round, Nadal had comfortably beaten Gasquet in straight sets, much easier than the pre-match expectations were, as Gasquet had pushed hard in the Monte Carlo semi final that year.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
People are talking about steroids and blood doping, but the drug that is most beneficial to enhance skill right away in sports that require a high level of focus and hand eye coordination are the stimulant drugs, in pro baseball players pop Adderall like M&Ms to help with batting.

When you see someone as fidgety and energetic as Nadal, you have to wonder if he uses stimulants.

Adderall and other stimulants will enhance your attention span, not your hand eye coordination.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

Biscuitmcgriddleson said:
Had no idea you needed your testes to make EPO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin). I guess you're ignorant of the fact that testosterone ISN'T the only way to dope in cycling. If he was granted a medical exception for testosterone use, that would be the only steroid that he could use. Also, the one time he tested positive for steroids it wasn't for testosterone, it was for a corticosteroid, something that isn't produced in your testes.

EPO isn't a steroid nor is a corticosteroid a PED, corticosteroid would actually be a detriment to performance it suppresses the immune system , Armstrong could have been blood doping with EPO yes, but all the discussion about steroids with Armstrong is a moot topic.

Frankly, the way I see it if Armstrong did cheat and gained fame from it that was awesome, because the man has done more for a good cause through his Livestrong organization than any athlete in the history of sports. Maybe without the alleged cheating that doesn't happen, if he cheated I say great, cheat some more, if it ends up raising 100s of millions of dollars for cancer victims and research.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

Biscuitmcgriddleson said:
Adderall and other stimulants will enhance your attention span, not your hand eye coordination.

It enhances your focus and concentration which improves hand eye coordination, and is the most widely abused drug in pro baseball,
I know what it does I take it every day.

tangerine · Feb 8, 2012

The French are being racist again? What a shock.

dudeski · Feb 8, 2012

tangerine said:
The French are being racist again? What a shock.

They hate white people? I guess that makes sense since their two best players are black.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
EPO isn't a steroid nor is a corticosteroid a PED, corticosteroid would actually be a detriment to performance it suppresses the immune system , Armstrong could have been blood doping with EPO yes, but all the discussion about steroids with Armstrong is a moot topic.

Frankly, the way I see it if Armstrong did cheat and gained fame from it that was awesome, because the man has done more for a good cause through his Livestrong organization than any athlete in the history of sports. Maybe without the alleged cheating that doesn't happen, if he cheated I say great, cheat some more, if it ends up raising 100s of millions of dollars for cancer victims and research.

Lance Armstrong has said that he had no medical exemptions. Doesn't exactly make steroid use a moot point. We were talking about doping, not solely use of steroids. If he had an exemption from testosterone, why would fellow riders accuse him of using it? Good diversion at pointing out the Livestrong work though.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
It enhances your focus and concentration which improves hand eye coordination, and is the most widely abused drug in pro baseball,
I know what it does I take it every day.

Same here. Many confuse being able to focus from improved hand-eye coordination. Can't seem to find any clinical studies that support your stance.

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
EPO isn't a steroid nor is a corticosteroid a PED, corticosteroid would actually be a detriment to performance it suppresses the immune system , Armstrong could have been blood doping with EPO yes, but all the discussion about steroids with Armstrong is a moot topic.

Frankly, the way I see it if Armstrong did cheat and gained fame from it that was awesome, because the man has done more for a good cause through his Livestrong organization than any athlete in the history of sports. Maybe without the alleged cheating that doesn't happen, if he cheated I say great, cheat some more, if it ends up raising 100s of millions of dollars for cancer victims and research.

Thats why most people dont come down on Armstrong for his cheating. Its pretty funny that people look the other way on his cheating and lying to their faces just because hes a good guy with charities outside of the sport.

kishnabe · Feb 8, 2012

dudeski said:
They hate white people? I guess that makes sense since their two best players are black.

Nadal isn't white.....he is latino......mild brown....more hazelnut!

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

Biscuitmcgriddleson said:
Lance Armstrong has said that he had no medical exemptions. Doesn't exactly make steroid use a moot point. We were talking about doping, not solely use of steroids. If he had an exemption from testosterone, why would fellow riders accuse him of using it? Good diversion at pointing out the Livestrong work though.

He uses testosterone replacement which does exactly what steroids do naturally not synthetically, his testicles were removed his body doesn't produce testosterone, he wouldn't even be able to live a normal life let alone compete. I had testicular cancer myself so I know what it is like, trust me it is a miracle the guy was able to even compete again. It may also be the reason it pisses me off when people decide to attack Armstrong out of all the athletes they could chose that possibly used PEDs, Armstrong is the one to pick on? seriously? The one that actually did something good from the outcome.

dudeski · Feb 8, 2012

kishnabe said:
Nadal isn't white.....he is latino......mild brown....more hazelnut!

Ok so French like pasty white people and black people but don't like Spanish speaking people with a tan.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

volleygirl said:
Thats why most people dont come down on Armstrong for his cheating. Its pretty funny that people look the other way on his cheating and lying to their faces just because hes a good guy with charities outside of the sport.

Maybe if you had cancer you would see things a little differently, huh? If you can't distinguish the difference between the importance of life and sports your ignorant.

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
He uses testosterone replacement which does exactly what steroids do naturally not synthetically, his testicles were removed his body doesn't produce testosterone, he wouldn't even be able to live a normal life let alone compete. I had testicular cancer myself so I know what it is like, trust me it is a miracle the guy was able to even compete again. It may also be the reason it pisses me off when people decide to attack Armstrong out of all the athletes they could chose that possibly used PEDs, Armstrong is the one to pick on? seriously? The one that actually did something good from the outcome.

If he cheated and acted like he was above any allegations, then yes he deserves to be picked on just like the baseball players and also the tennis players if they are frauds.

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
Maybe if you had cancer you would see things a little differently, huh?

I wont look at a cheater differently just because I have cancer or he has cancer.

jackson vile · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
He uses testosterone replacement which does exactly what steroids do naturally not synthetically, his testicles were removed his body doesn't produce testosterone, he wouldn't even be able to live a normal life let alone compete. I had testicular cancer myself so I know what it is like, trust me it is a miracle the guy was able to even compete again. It may also be the reason it pisses me off when people decide to attack Armstrong out of all the athletes they could chose that possibly used PEDs, Armstrong is the one to pick on? seriously? The one that actually did something good from the outcome.

All his team mates were using PEDs and they also explained that Lance used them as well. Really stupid to make believe that all his team mates are lying, and the very fact that they cheated for a 100% fact means that Lance's team titles should not count and be taken away.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

Biscuitmcgriddleson said:
Same here. Many confuse being able to focus from improved hand-eye coordination. Can't seem to find any clinical studies that support your stance.

Type adderall and baseball into google and you will see a lot articles and doctors discussing it, they estimate 50% of MLB players use it, to help batting.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
He uses testosterone replacement which does exactly what steroids do naturally not synthetically, his testicles were removed his body doesn't produce testosterone, he wouldn't even be able to live a normal life let alone compete. I had testicular cancer myself so I know what it is like, trust me it is a miracle the guy was able to even compete again. It may also be the reason it pisses me off when people decide to attack Armstrong out of all the athletes they could chose that possibly used PEDs, Armstrong is the one to pick on? seriously? The one that actually did something good from the outcome.

He only lost one testicle.

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

jackson vile said:
All his team mates were using PEDs and they also explained that Lance used them as well. Really stupid to make believe that all his team mates are lying, and the very fact that they cheated for a 100% fact means that Lance's team titles should not count and be taken away.

What? You dont think its possible that all his team mates and every other opponent was cheating besides Lance yet he was still able to beat them all, year after year?

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
Type adderall and baseball into google and you will see a lot articles and doctors discussing it, they estimate 50% of MLB players use it, to help batting.

Dr. Haraszti exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The players use this as a performance enhancing drug which allows them to concentrate better and also helps them to get over their grueling 162 game schedule they face during the season."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...new-drug-problem-says-doc-charges-fly-players

Exactly what I said. It will make you more alert. Being alert doesn't increase one's hand eye coordination. Personally, I feel they would take it more for the energy benefits due to the season length.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

volleygirl said:
I wont look at a cheater differently just because I have cancer or he has cancer.

I have zero respect for you than, if you think catching someone cheating in sports is more important than saving peoples lives.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

Biscuitmcgriddleson said:
He only lost one testicle.

Me too, I have to take testosterone replacement everyday.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
Me too, I have to take testosterone replacement everyday.

Cool story bro, not everyone has to take it though.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

jackson vile said:
All his team mates were using PEDs and they also explained that Lance used them as well. Really stupid to make believe that all his team mates are lying, and the very fact that they cheated for a 100% fact means that Lance's team titles should not count and be taken away.

There is more at stake, namely his charitable foundation, what is more important, a 100 million dollars for cancer patients and research or some Tour de France title? Destroy his career accomplishments and the foundation suffers.

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
I have zero respect for you than, if you think catching someone cheating in sports is more important than saving peoples lives.

Youre kidding yourself if you think he did all the cheating just to save lives. He was hungry for the glory and money just like the others, plus I couldnt care less who you respect. I root and respect athletes who dont cheat, PERIOD!!!

namelessone · Feb 8, 2012

merlinpinpin said:
It's also worthy of note that the French anti-doping agency is much more efficient than WADA. Recently, they were invited to 'operate' at RG. That was in 2009, for those who are interested, ie the year when Nadal and Djokovic had that extremely suspect semi in Hamburg (at the time, rumours amongst the coaches in the RG alleys were that the ITF had asked them to 'calm down' after this match). Interestingly, three things happened during this edition:

I think you mean the semi in Madrid if you are talking about 2009. Ah, and the irrefutable evidence, the rumours amongst coaches. Laptop girl FTW.

merlinpinpin said:
- Djokovic was crushed early by Kohlshreiber

Yeah, and in 2010 he lost in RG after being 2 sets up on Melzer Guess he was serving some long suspension where he was supposed to suck. In 2009 Djokovic was trying to hit through Nadal on clay and was gasping for air in both the MC and the Madrid match with Nadal yet you think he was doped up. Nadal was breathing heavily as well after their Madrid encounter and was wasting time even more than usual cause of it. He lost in RG 09 because he was mentally destroyed after 3 consecutive losses on clay to Nadal, after being so close.

This is the look of a man that couldn't wait to face Nadal a fourth time, in RG, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpJnt0SLKk

merlinpinpin said:
- Nadal lost to Söderling (his only loss in RG) and then didn't go to Wimbledon, supposedly because of 'his knees' (for a guy who was still running around like crazy, of course), after an exhibition on grass in which he kept repeating 'I can't play, my knees, I can't play' in which sounded like a PR operation

Yeah, what's more likely, Nadal overplayed with pain in his knees(and Nadal has done this before, by his own statements, he pushes himself to the point of breaking, likes to suffer), lost in RG, was forced to withdraw from the grass season cause of damage to his knees

OR

go on and put a show in RG and act like he cared about the loss to Soderling(even though he was just going out so the frenchies wouldn't test him), act like he was in pain in front of the press, forget about the biggest tourney in tennis, putting on a pr show before WB just to amp up the drama and even play badly and act distraught after WB as well, like you would after a real injury. Not to mention the fact that the people that made him do this whole act were the ATP guys who gave him a silent suspension. So Nadal had to do silent suspension + acting. Seems plausible.

Occam's Razor people, use it.

merlinpinpin said:
- After that, the French anti-doping agency was never invited again at RG, and things promptly got back 'in order', with Nadal winning everytime

Why didn't these anti doping crusaders, the french anti-doping agency, make a big fuss in the international press about it? If they really hold the best interest of the sport and feel that they are being ousted out of a GS just to be kept far away from certain players, then why don't they make a big deal out of it and have to rely on anonymous internet posters to do it for them? They are officials and yet they say nothing.To clarify even further, have Nadal/Djokovic played in any venues that had the french anti-doping agency testing for it?

merlinpinpin said:
French people now seem to think that, when something smells fishy in sports, it's generally safe to assume that there *is* something fishy behind it. Cycling showed that extensively (and is still doing it), and blatant cover-ups such as Operation Puerto only fuel the rumours, they sure don't stop them. After all, who were the "top tennis players" (plural) that Fuentes was refering to in 2006? The list is obviously not that long...

Ok, so I guess the frenchies word is enough then since they know doping. I'm sure that will hold fairly well in court when they get sued. If Nadal was in Operation Puerto, I would like to know where the hell does he get his stuff from, Eufemiano was busted in 2006 and yet Nadal has been constantly on the rise since then despite his "mentor" not being there to supply the substances. He must go somewhere else to get his fix.And just how the hell does this serbian beat the whole Spanish Doping industry? The spaniards must be off their game.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

Biscuitmcgriddleson said:
Cool story bro, not everyone has to take it though.

Yeah, I wish it was a cool story Bro, way to be a dick.

Raiden · Feb 8, 2012

^ Not sure what yer point is, Lsmkenpo - in any case it can't be that having a charity or some other good side-activity exonerates you from being scrutinized whether you have taken PED and, if found guilty, punished

volleygirl · Feb 8, 2012

jerriy said:
^ Not sure what yer point is, Lsmkenpo - in any case it can't be that having a charity or some other good side-activity exonerates you from being scrutinized whether you have taken PED and, if found guilty, punished

Thats exactly what I am saying

Deleted member 21996 · Feb 8, 2012

kishnabe said:
Nadal isn't white.....he is latino......mild brown....more hazelnut!

huh?

10 white guys from the iberian peninsula....

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
Yeah, I wish it was a cool story Bro, way to be a dick.

Well you come out blasting, giving misinformation and you continue to refine it after ever single retort from posters. Not everyone needs to have hormone replacement therapy after they have a testicle removed. Lance Armstrong appears to be in this crowd as he has no medical exemptions noted for testosterone.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

volleygirl said:
Youre kidding yourself if you think he did all the cheating just to save lives. He was hungry for the glory and money just like the others, plus I couldnt care less who you respect. I root and respect athletes who dont cheat, PERIOD!!!

That isn't the point, the point is something good actually happened other than Tour De France titles, from it, we already know the outcome so why would anyone now want to destroy that legacy and destroy the charitable
foundation with it. Commonsense, use it.

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

jerriy said:
^ Not sure what yer point is, Lsmkenpo - in any case it can't be that having a charity or some other good side-activity exonerates you from being scrutinized whether you have taken PED and, if found guilty, punished

The point is if you go after Armstrong and he is found guilty, you take away his titles, you are doing more harm than good, because you hurt the Livestrong foundation in the process. You have to look at the big picture, sometimes something good comes from what we may morally view as wrong at the time. If he cheated yeah, it was bad, but if he did not, something very good would not have happened.

Pahansuopa · Feb 8, 2012

merlinpinpin said:
It's also worthy of note that the French anti-doping agency is much more efficient than WADA. Recently, they were invited to 'operate' at RG. That was in 2009, for those who are interested, ie the year when Nadal and Djokovic had that extremely suspect semi in Hamburg (at the time, rumours amongst the coaches in the RG alleys were that the ITF had asked them to 'calm down' after this match). Interestingly, three things happened during this edition:
- Djokovic was crushed early by Kohlshreiber
- Nadal lost to Söderling (his only loss in RG) and then didn't go to Wimbledon, supposedly because of 'his knees' (for a guy who was still running around like crazy, of course), after an exhibition on grass in which he kept repeating 'I can't play, my knees, I can't play' in which sounded like a PR operation
- After that, the French anti-doping agency was never invited again at RG, and things promptly got back 'in order', with Nadal winning everytime

So yes, rumours abound about Nadal (but don't worry, Djokovic is soon getting there, I saw a French article on the AO final (link below) in which they are openly questioning whether such a physical intensity for 6h is humanly possble without outside help.

And remember that France has the dubious honour of hosting the most doped-up sporting event ever, ie the Tour de France. French people now seem to think that, when something smells fishy in sports, it's generally safe to assume that there *is* something fishy behind it. Cycling showed that extensively (and is still doing it), and blatant cover-ups such as Operation Puerto only fuel the rumours, they sure don't stop them. After all, who were the "top tennis players" (plural) that Fuentes was refering to in 2006? The list is obviously not that long...

http://www.menly.fr/buzz/news/67541-nadal-djokovic-finale-australie/

2009 Nadal and Djoko did not play in Hamburg.

equinox · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
The point is if you go after Armstrong and he is found guilty, you take away his titles, you are doing more harm than good, because you hurt the Livestrong foundation in the process. You have to look at the big picture, sometimes something good comes from what we may morally view as wrong at the time. If he cheated yeah, it was bad, but if he did not, something very good would not have happened.

Sound much like the bill gates microsoft excuse for illegally crushing competition.

tusharlovesrafa · Feb 8, 2012

Lsmkenpo said:
Me too, I have to take testosterone replacement everyday.

Lsm u never told us abt this stuff..There is no point arguing with ppl down here as they lack common sense and their mind is over shadowed by silly beliefs..

devila · Feb 8, 2012

it's a crime that armstrong has better lungs than the underwhelming frenchies. maybe his lung should've been removed too.

tusharlovesrafa · Feb 8, 2012

volleygirl said:
Looks like you think the only ones with common sense are those who have lost a ball. Not how it works.

Learn to respect others or else u will regret it afterwards..

Lsmkenpo · Feb 8, 2012

tusharlovesrafa said:
Lsm u never told us abt this stuff..There is no point arguing with ppl down here as they lack common sense and their mind is over shadowed by silly beliefs..

Thats Ok, I am sure I have a biased viewpoint when it comes to Armstrong.

Bhagi Katbamna · Feb 8, 2012

Hood_Man said:
I think they should sue them just for making such an unfunny sketch.

Just them being French is a good enough reason for suing.

Bhagi Katbamna · Feb 8, 2012

Dilettante said:
I don't know anything about baseball. How do drugs help to hit more HRs? Is it about muscle more than about skill?

Tennis is about skill, I know that.

They turn routine fly balls into home runs.

marcub · Feb 8, 2012

volleygirl said:
You thought you told me? I am guessing very few if anyone listens to your orders so it shouldnt be a surprised that I havent either. The women must love you when your mom lets you out.

:lol: Matter of fact they do - there, you're not totally hopeless.
Listen - your only excuse for being a b*tch is if you're hot. For your sake, I hope you are

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