Longhorn Tennis

Vicious Vik

Semi-Pro
Pretty good tournament for Texas. Lost to a great Buckeye tam then killed A&M and Auburn. I wish Hess-Olesen could have finished off Mies.
 

atatu

Legend
Pretty good tournament for Texas. Lost to a great Buckeye tam then killed A&M and Auburn. I wish Hess-Olesen could have finished off Mies.

Nice to see UT rebound and beat A&M a few days after losing to them in Houston, the Auburn match was pretty tough, I think. Still no Ben Chen, wonder if he's recovering...
 

Huzzah

New User
Soren Hess-Olesen deserves some love. I don't care if he's a 20 something freshman, the dude has been awesome so far.
 

andfor

Legend
He is actually a 21 year old freshman.

Maybe that is hurting some recruiting - why would a U.S. freshman want to go there and compete for a spot in their own lineup against someone 2-3 years older?

That's such bull. That's like saying why would a U.S. freshman want to go to a program where he could be beat out by BlueChips and 5stars the following years? You can either beat the competition or you can't. Is Hess-sorenson undefeated and #1 in the country?
 
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ClarkC

Hall of Fame
He is actually a 21 year old freshman.

Maybe that is hurting some recruiting - why would a U.S. freshman want to go there and compete for a spot in their own lineup against someone 2-3 years older?

I guess a cowardly freshman better not go somewhere that has juniors and seniors on the roster, in that case.
 

andfor

Legend
The ones who are ruffled are the anti-foreigners. I like the system the way it is, you don't and it's not changing.
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
We will see in a couple of years if Olesen is truly a freshman in eligibility. I doubt it. They can list a player as a freshman one year, a senior the next; or they can list a player as a freshman, then a sophomore, then they are gone mysteriously. We used to have guys show up at 21 and play through age 25. Those days are over.

This point has been made numerous times, but I guess we can make it once a month or so just as a reminder.
 

andfor

Legend
Funny as it may be, I actually think the foreign competition in the college system is great, doesn't bother me one bit. I think the player should take on the challenge....but I can be open minded and understand how reality impacts others. However, what I like or you like is irrelevant. You guys just keep denying a situation that exists, which is odd. The rule is to drive 55, I am sure no one breaks that either cause it is a written rule.

What I don't like is people posting things that don't represent reality to others whether they like it or don't like it.

Foreign players are still coming in as freshman at 20 or 21, they are in rosters all over the country. That is a fact. And you are wrong, it is supposed to be changing. But it hasn't yet. When there aren't 21 year old foreign freshman I would acknowledge that, but that is not the case today. Looking for accuracy in posts, don't care what people like or don't like.

The accuracy you can't produce is naming a 21 year old freshman, show he has 4 years of eligibility and if he does explain his circumstances ("workaround") as they are are also understood and approved by the NCAA.

Read ClarkC's last post.
 
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andfor

Legend
Right now he is listed as a freshman as are many others that age. And we know they have and are graduating 24-25 year old seniors, as Clark said. I am saying that it is not over yet.

I've produced the 20-21 year old freshman of which you denied existed all along, now you want to turn it another way - very lawyer like.....I will check back with you in 4 years on this one. Until then, the same system is still in play and foreign freshman can come in older, just the way it is. Fine with me, but it is how it is.

1 Freshman does not make a sample group. No matter how long he's there you still won't be able to explain his circumstances. In the end you'll be the one without facts and lack accuracy.

You may want to read Clark's post again one more time.
 

atatu

Legend
Wow, UT loses to San Diego and now faces Florida State and then USC on Wednesday, it could get rough. One good thing is that Chen is back and playing well.
 

DaDave

Rookie
Is Lloyd still out? I think he had some injury from a match a few wks ago. Hopefully he's ready to play soon as he was starting to make some good progress.
 

atatu

Legend
I know he's not a Longhorn, but anyone know what's up with Connor Pollack ? I was surprised to hear the news.
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
Downward spiral lately will lead to not hosting a regional and not making the NCAA final 16. When was the last time that happened?

Very young team, as are Baylor and Texas A&M. But Oklahoma also has almost everybody back next year. Not sure when Texas will win the Big 12 again.
 

DaDave

Rookie
Texas will be much better next yr. Should be a 3rd kid joining.. maybe Spring?? If he does, they'll be better next yr.
 

killR4hand

New User
These days how to athletes announce to family and friends what school they have committed to? Via facebook of course.

But you may have to be a facebook friend to see it. ;)
 

andfor

Legend
Watched Texas Ex Josh Zavala get his head handed to him this afternoon by Polansky - Watching the warmups you would have thought JZ was going to blow Polansky off the court - didn't happen and it wasn't even close.

Watched literally hundred of pro matches in person and almost the same amount of qualifying matches. Seen this phenomena often. Even more so watching a player who appears hot and like the next big thing in the qualies. Gets to the main draw first round and get routinely beaten by a low ranked unseeded player.

As the incremental yet subtle levels of skill and confidence improve in tennis, it makes for executing the underdogs game all the more difficult.
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
Some high drama last night in Austin, not the best display of tennis thought. Texas clinched the doubles point with an extraordinary comeback by Camilone and Hollander over Ore & Winthrow.

The Longhorns had the Dual in the palm of their hands, and then it flipped. Sitaram, who I was most impressed with because, competed very smartly...hitting heavy spin and variety which frustrated Colin Hoover for the entir first set. Sitaram trailed 1-4 in the 2nd set and pushed it to a tiebreak, in which he had a match point before Hoover shoved the match into a final set. All with Sitaram visibly limping for the entire 2nd set.

With two matches remaining Sitaram lost the final set and A&M leveled the Dual at 3 points all...all attention turned to the Chen Angus match. With Chen down a break at 3-5 in the final set. Chen broke Angus and got back on serve as the entire crowd filled the stands around his court.

Chen broke again an brought ithe final set to 5 all, you could almost see Angus' thoughts of " I was up 5-2 in this match and now it's 5-5 all. Chen went up 6-5 at the changeover and Angus looked puzzled and like he was beginning to crack. angus saved on match and brought the final game to duece, but Chen earned another match point and that one proved to be all he would need.

Tough loss for A&M with their last BIG 12 conference meeting with in the rivalry. (unless of course they meet again in the BIG 12 Championships in 2 weeks). In many ways A&M's team was playing bettr tennis. And Ore after he lost the first set in #1 Singles he looked for every opportunity to smack that big lefty forehand, but he was going for a little too much and many of them connected with the back fence rather than the court.

Saw Ryan Harrison in the stands along with a lot of top level juniors form Newk's. Future Longhorn Harrison Adams was also in attendance.
 

Vicious Vik

Semi-Pro
unbelievable. Lose to a sorry Texas Tech team. How can you lose 4 singles matches to Texas Tech?
I hate having to be reliant of these stupid live stats when match is on the line
 

Vicious Vik

Semi-Pro
I thought the big win over A&M with the great Chen moment would catapult the team too a ahigher level. But rather it has sunk them. Disappointing.
 

hound 109

Semi-Pro
The ones who are ruffled are the anti-foreigners. I like the system the way it is, you don't and it's not changing.

It might change. Things change in different ways for different reasons.

As a UT alum, many of us are tired of LOTS of things going on regarding athletics on the 40 acres. Checks stop flowing in, programs are cut.

In the mean time, UT tennis is dead to me & virtually all parents of 4 & 5 star kids in central texas. The tennis camps look like a day care for kids who ride the short bus, & all you hear at Pennik Allison during matches these days are crickets.

hound <---loves most things foreign (including family members), but wants to cap it to ONE non-american per team. Recruiting a 21 y/o freshman is beyond ridiculous.
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
It might change. Things change in different ways for different reasons.

As a UT alum, many of us are tired of LOTS of things going on regarding athletics on the 40 acres. Checks stop flowing in, programs are cut.

In the mean time, UT tennis is dead to me & virtually all parents of 4 & 5 star kids in central texas. The tennis camps look like a day care for kids who ride the short bus, & all you hear at Pennik Allison during matches these days are crickets.

hound <---loves most things foreign (including family members), but wants to cap it to ONE non-american per team. Recruiting a 21 y/o freshman is beyond ridiculous.

I posted previously that the new age limit and eligibility restrictions went into effect in August of 2011. The other day I read that they don't go into effect until August of 2012. Not sure what the true story is. But, at the very latest, this coming season will see some differences in terms of lost eligibility for older newcomers, domestic or foreign.
 

tball2day

Semi-Pro
Eligibility changes don't start till this year 2012, that is if they can manage/track all the foreign education systems. At least for those with U.S. juniors, hope is there are less 20+ year old freshman coming in, there are plenty on this year's rosters.
 

atatu

Legend
It might change. Things change in different ways for different reasons.

As a UT alum, many of us are tired of LOTS of things going on regarding athletics on the 40 acres. Checks stop flowing in, programs are cut.

In the mean time, UT tennis is dead to me & virtually all parents of 4 & 5 star kids in central texas. The tennis camps look like a day care for kids who ride the short bus, & all you hear at Pennik Allison during matches these days are crickets.

hound <---loves most things foreign (including family members), but wants to cap it to ONE non-american per team. Recruiting a 21 y/o freshman is beyond ridiculous.

They've got six American kids on the team, and five of them are from Texas ? That's pretty good for a top 20 program.
 

Misterbill

Semi-Pro
It might change. Things change in different ways for different reasons.

As a UT alum, many of us are tired of LOTS of things going on regarding athletics on the 40 acres. Checks stop flowing in, programs are cut.

In the mean time, UT tennis is dead to me & virtually all parents of 4 & 5 star kids in central texas. The tennis camps look like a day care for kids who ride the short bus, & all you hear at Pennik Allison during matches these days are crickets.

hound <---loves most things foreign (including family members), but wants to cap it to ONE non-american per team. Recruiting a 21 y/o freshman is beyond ridiculous.

Well, if misery loves company, you can take some solace in the fact that BCS tennis scholarships are virtually non-existent for all 4-stars.......it's not just a central Texas thing
 

andfor

Legend
More mis-information regarding international student athletes. Thanks to the posters for clearing it up. The xenophobia about this matter is stunning. With all the continued mis-information continuing to spew on this matter it can only be that or idiocy.
 

Misterbill

Semi-Pro
Yes, because all athletes for a college team should be central to the area that the college is located... Brilliant.

Living proof that attempts at humor do not always translate well on message boards...........or dlesser has no sense of humor.

So, to be clearer, I have no problem with the nationalities represented on the Texas men's or women's teams. I think the men in particular have done an exceptional job recruiting in-state, if that is important to anyone. I think another poster's complaint that 4 stars from Central Texas are shut out of U Texas is.....well......frivolous
 
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dlesser13

Rookie
Living proof that attempts at humor do not always translate well on message boards...........or dlesser has no sense of humor.

So, to be clearer, I have no problem with the nationalities represented on the Texas men's or women's teams. I think the men in particular have done an exceptional job recruiting in-state, if that is important to anyone. I think another poster's complaint that 4 stars from Central Texas are shut out of U Texas is.....well......frivolous

My apologies then. As a student here, I naturally had to say something. Agree with 4 star statement, doesn't matter where you're from , if you aren't a 5 star or a blue chip, good luck playing here.
 

Vicious Vik

Semi-Pro
I love our draw. Santa Clara does not scare me. And Stanford is the weakest host team. they have some individual talent but are not a team at all and have no depth. Depth is our strength. I also think Stanford does not want to play anymore, they are tired, their players are not competitors.

If they get to Athens, I will make the trip and go.
 

atatu

Legend
I love our draw. Santa Clara does not scare me. And Stanford is the weakest host team. they have some individual talent but are not a team at all and have no depth. Depth is our strength. I also think Stanford does not want to play anymore, they are tired, their players are not competitors.

If they get to Athens, I will make the trip and go.

We just don't know who is going to show up...they could be out after the Santa Clara match or they could win two matches and be headed to Athens. Hopefully they are peaking at the right time.
 
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