Llodra fined.

TopFH

Hall of Fame
"... whereas "Americans"does not." - 'American' isn't a race, it is merely a reference to a location (USA) where there is no one clear ethnic group which dominates as is the case in China. It's multi-ethnic.

Sorry, but "Americans" refer to people from America, not the United States. I'm an American too, you know. I just was not born in the USA.
 

Seth

Legend
But he didn't.....he was rude and vulger to a noisy fan, got fined, made a nice sarcastic apology. Who cares, move on. If your panties are that far out of shape send a letter to Lacoste and Wilson and tell them you will never buy their products as long as they endorse him and that you will push others to do the same.
If it was my wife who had been insulted like that she would have replied to him point blank that he could go F*** himself right then and there. So he's a jerk big deal - tennis full of them.

I love this. My wife would've done the same. Maybe because she's a Texan, too.
 

lbjames23

Banned
I don't really understand the apologizing. By saying "putain Chinoise" or "f*cking Chinese" he is implying that whatever that individual was doing was consistent with what he perceives to be typical, negative behavior by Chinese people.

same thing as americans killing afghan civilians and it sure is a normal act
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
I read that now, trying to fix things, he said: "My words were not meant against China. I love Chinese people. I can perfectly well make love to a Chinese woman." [«Mes paroles n'étaient pas dirigées contre la Chine. J'aime les Chinois, je peux parfaitement faire l'amour à une Chinoise.» http://www.lematin.ch/sports/tennis/llodra-pourrais-amour-chinoise/story/31674160

So first he calls her "putain de Chinoise," then he repeats it in English "F--ing Chinese". http://www.purepeople.com/article/m...nciers-il-recidive-malgre-une-amende_a97529/1
And then he apologises by assuring us that he is capable of making love to Chinese women. Really, this guy needs some social skills, or something.

He's just a cheap ***.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
He's just a cheap ***.

hmmm...where is the hue and cry for llodra to be banned from IW or suspended?

what he did is far worse than what Serena did at the USO this year.

He was apparently abusive to ballboys and linespeople as well.

Just saying.....
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
hmmm...where is the hue and cry for llodra to be banned from IW or suspended?

what he did is far worse than what Serena did at the USO this year.

He was apparently abusive to ballboys and linespeople as well.

Just saying.....
They SHOULD ban him. He would thoroughly deserve it
 

Crisstti

Legend
Sorry, but "Americans" refer to people from America, not the United States. I'm an American too, you know. I just was not born in the USA.

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hmmm...where is the hue and cry for llodra to be banned from IW or suspended?

what he did is far worse than what Serena did at the USO this year.

He was apparently abusive to ballboys and linespeople as well.

Just saying.....

Yeah, people are just like "get over it, no big deal".
 

Crisstti

Legend
The ferocity of the reaction to Llodra's remarks is out of all proportion to the offence.

He was fined a reasonable sum and if he were fined anymore then there would have to be a full inquiry with lawyers, evidence.

And complete evidence rather than the kind of sketchy evidence that newsreports contain.

Direct your reformist zeal out into the world. The ATP is not going to make the world a better place. Start with your local government and ask it hard questions.

It really isn't. Plus, "ferocity" of the reaction?, would you mind pointing out just where have you seen that?.

The sum he was fined is not at all reasonable. It's more of a joke.

And what he did is OK because lots of other people are racist and/or xenophobic too?. Really?.

It's tackling down this kinds of minor manifestations of the problem what makes it clear that the behaviour is not acceptable and it helps to stop the more serious examples of it.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
1. Ferocity is the right word given the minor nature of the offence.

2. The sum was around 20% of his earnings which is reasonable.

3. You've completely missed the misogynistic nature of his remarks as has everyone who has commented.

4. I did not say what he said is ok. I said there were more serious issues of racism in the world to tackle.

5. I don't believe in zero tolerance policing as it is racist in practice.

6. It's best to keep politics and sport separate, which is not an opinion people talking endlessly about the Llodra outrage share.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The remarks that the Chinese agency quotes Llodra as saying have been partially denied by him.

His words were, according to him, as follows:

Je suis allé présenter mes excuses aux Chinois par l'intermédiaire de ce journaliste, mais on s'est mal compris tous les deux. Je ne lui ai pas dit ce qu'il a rapporté. Je lui ai dit: "Qu'est ce qu'il faut que je fasse pour vous prouver que je ne suis pas raciste? Il faut que je fasse l'amour à une Chinoise?" Ce n'était pas péjoratif, c'était une forme de respect."

His obviously annoyed response to a question as to whether or not he was a racist was:

What do I have to do to prove to you I am not a racist?

Make love to a Chinese woman!

This was what the Chinese agency has him saying:

"I love Chinese — I can totally make love with a Chinese girl."

On the face of it, Llodra's account sounds more plausible. The Llodra incident demonstrates the perils of kangaroo courts based on partial and inaccurate reporting.
 

lbjames23

Banned
The remarks that the Chinese agency quotes Llodra as saying have been partially denied by him.

His words were, according to him, as follows:

Je suis allé présenter mes excuses aux Chinois par l'intermédiaire de ce journaliste, mais on s'est mal compris tous les deux. Je ne lui ai pas dit ce qu'il a rapporté. Je lui ai dit: "Qu'est ce qu'il faut que je fasse pour vous prouver que je ne suis pas raciste? Il faut que je fasse l'amour à une Chinoise?" Ce n'était pas péjoratif, c'était une forme de respect."

His obviously annoyed response to a question as to whether or not he was a racist was:

What do I have to do to prove to you I am not a racist?


Make love to a Chinese woman!

This was what the Chinese agency has him saying:

"I love Chinese — I can totally make love with a Chinese girl."

On the face of it, Llodra's account sounds more plausible. The Llodra incident demonstrates the perils of kangaroo courts based on partial and inaccurate reporting.

is it me or his apology makes it even worse. and he don stand a chance for getting an Asian woman. yeah, but sure thing he s gonna be boooed like crazy if he ever goes to that shanghai master 1000 again.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Who cares he did not say anything that bad, you ever notice it is only racism when a white guy says something like this.
 

lbjames23

Banned
no you are the one.
and who do you think you are to be "open to an alternative understanding of what he claims to have said" ?? you think anyone d care ?
you r just a waste of time.
You're the one who has demonstrated no idea of French.

I'm open to an alternative understanding of what he claims to have said.

Until you produce one you're not worth the time of day.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
There's another translation in the thread on Llodra's apology so you best consult it in order to write in an informed manner.



no you are the one.
and who do you think you are to be "open to an alternative understanding of what he claims to have said" ?? you think anyone d care ?
you r just a waste of time.
 

Crisstti

Legend
1. Ferocity is the right word given the minor nature of the offence.

It was racism. Not exactly a minor thing. Oh, and sexism too. But no big deal, who cares, right?.

2. The sum was around 20% of his earnings which is reasonable.

3. You've completely missed the misogynistic nature of his remarks as has everyone who has commented.

4. I did not say what he said is ok. I said there were more serious issues of racism in the world to tackle.

And I answered to that already. Look above.

5. I don't believe in zero tolerance policing as it is racist in practice.

How?.

6. It's best to keep politics and sport separate, which is not an opinion people talking endlessly about the Llodra outrage share.

"Politics". Nice PC language. I guess all racism and sexism should just be tolerated then, since we shouldn't mix sports and politics...
 

lbjames23

Banned
So you do not understand french (well, it s ok), but your main problem is that you pretend to not understand ENGLISH !!!
You can put all the big words in your bag now. people like you have no shame.
Being Jewish or American has nothing to do with race.

Llodra said nothing equivalent to the expression you quote.

Indeed, we have little certain evidence of what he did say.

What little 'evidence' there is indicates misogyny.
 

lbjames23

Banned
+1.

I am amazed that folks have so much difficulty with this concept. If you drag a person's race/ethnicity into a dispute having nothing to do with race in an effort to put them down, you are being racist.

Honestly. Do you think you can get into a dispute with somebody and toss out something like "Dirty Jew" and not have a problem?

It is not a defense that the person is actually the race or ethnicity that you selected. It's that you are bringing it up to disparage the person.

Here s a candid explaination we be been looking for. I know I d not feel right if I m called "w*ite tr***" by any body.
 
Geez

What really gets me is how self-centered someone and others like him can be. I would consider it a blessing to be able to enjoy the pro life and make cash while having all that fun. Let him struggle to find a real job and he'll see real fast what a gift he has and is crapping all of it and everyone in his way.
 

Terre Battu

Rookie
I'm not sure what the circumstances were but any fan acting like a jack ass, no matter what color they are deserve verbal abuse.
 
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