Fed on schedule for another Nadal drubbing....

kragster

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Towser83 said:
Federer doesn't need to be sick to lose to Nadal, especially on a slow hardcourt. I guess it doesn't help though, but really he'll probably be ok by the time the semis roll around. Maybe robbed of a bit of practice. But let's not make excuses like people do for Nadal everytime he loses.
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It's sad that on this forum, things have come to a point where a player can't even say they aren't feeling good. Lots of posters (not you) think they are a better authority on a player's health than the player themself and unless there is a doctor's certificate, people will claim any talk of injury or sickness is an excuse. I for one am perfectly fine with taking what the player says at face value. If Fed says he's sick or Rafa says his knees hurt or Nole says he had breathing issues, I am not going to question it because in the grand scheme of things, health and fitness are part and parcel of the game .Even if the player is lying, he/she will be judged purely on accomplishments. No one is going to hand out extra slams to a player, because they COULD have won if they had been 100%.
 
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kragster said:
It's sad that on this forum, things have come to a point where a player can't even say they aren't feeling good. Lots of posters (not you) think they are a better authority on a player's health than the player themself and unless there is a doctor's certificate, people will claim any talk of injury or sickness is an excuse. I for one am perfectly fine with taking what the player says at face value. If Fed says he's sick or Rafa says his knees hurt or Nole says he had breathing issues, I am not going to question it because in the grand scheme of things, health and fitness are part and parcel of the game .Even if the player is lying, he/she will be judged purely on accomplishments. No one is going to hand out extra slams to a player, because they COULD have won if they had been 100%.
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Towser83

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kragster said:
It's sad that on this forum, things have come to a point where a player can't even say they aren't feeling good. Lots of posters (not you) think they are a better authority on a player's health than the player themself and unless there is a doctor's certificate, people will claim any talk of injury or sickness is an excuse. I for one am perfectly fine with taking what the player says at face value. If Fed says he's sick or Rafa says his knees hurt or Nole says he had breathing issues, I am not going to question it because in the grand scheme of things, health and fitness are part and parcel of the game .Even if the player is lying, he/she will be judged purely on accomplishments. No one is going to hand out extra slams to a player, because they COULD have won if they had been 100%.
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true, good point. But it's also sad when no victory is a proper victory because people are always talking about sickness/injury. Federer is ill, but I just don't think that will be the biggest factor vs Nadal, It doesn't help but if Nadal wins it's probably because he plays better than Federer, not because Federer is sick. I'm not saying anyone is faking injury or sickness, but too often people trat it as if it's the sole reason for the outcome of the match. That's all I'm saying.

PS, not saying TMF was doing that, but some of the ****s probably will
 
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kragster

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Towser83 said:
true, good point. But it's also sad when no victory is a proper victory because people are always talking about sickness/injury. Federer is ill, but I just don't think that will be the biggest factor vs Nadal, It doesn't help but if Nadal wins it's probably because he plays better than Federer, not because Federer is sick. I'm not saying anyone is faking injury or sickness, but too often people trat it as if it's the sole reason for the outcome of the match. That's all I'm saying.

PS, not saying TMF was doing that, but some of the ****s probably will
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Agreed, not saying that tennis players don't exaggerate illnesses but it's really hard to distinguish between levels of sickness/injury so I think it's just easiest to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, knowing that irrespective, in the grand scheme it doesn't matter. I had the flu a couple of weeks ago and some days I felt pretty fine and some days I felt crappy. Fed could technically feel sick one day, well the next and then sick again. I have also had tendinitis where some days when I try to lift weights my arm kills me and then 2 days later my arm feels great.
 
Towser83

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kragster said:
Agreed, not saying that tennis players don't exaggerate illnesses but it's really hard to distinguish between levels of sickness/injury so I think it's just easiest to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, knowing that irrespective, in the grand scheme it doesn't matter. I had the flu a couple of weeks ago and some days I felt pretty fine and some days I felt crappy. Fed could technically feel sick one day, well the next and then sick again. I have also had tendinitis where some days when I try to lift weights my arm kills me and then 2 days later my arm feels great.
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Yeah you can never tell what a player is feeling or how it's effecting them. Illness can act in many different ways
 
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Towser83 said:
ok sorry, not saying you are making excuses but lots of people are saying he's ill, but if it's a food bug,he'll probably be ok by the semis. Maybe not, but he's playing ok at the minute, not great but he's played worse when healthy. So yeah the illness doesn't help,but he'sprobably losing to Rafa whatever his health.
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Fed has now said in two separate pressers that he does NOT have the IW tummy bug; his and his family's symptoms are completely different.

He mentioned head cold; fever; headache, body aches, sounds like a normal flu and he says he's nearly recovered and hoping to be 100% by the Delpo match.

As everyone knows flu can affect energy levels for some time so surely won't help against the top players but obviously Delpo and especially Nadal are good enough to beat him in any health; I don't think there's any controversy on that point (esp. Rafa).
 
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Delpo is going to beat Rodge this time.
Rodge is not in good shape, he has said he is sick and not feeling 100%
 
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MichaelNadal said:
Couldn't have said it better myself lol.
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Hopefully,Nalby or Fed will thwart Nadal's chance of getting an 8th beating in a row from Djesus. I am actually cheering for Nadal to lose tomorrow to put him out of his misery. His game is garbage,and he stands zero chance of winning the final against Djesus should he even get there. I am begging for Nalby to stop the bleeding,and I think he will. Enough is enough already.
 
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My money would have to be on a Nadal/Fed semi, with Nadal winning, and then a Djokovic/Nadal final with Djokovic winning.

In terms of what could prevent this from happening, from most to least likely:

Del Potro takes out Fed
Fed takes out Rafa
Nalbandian beats Nadal
Nadal beats Djokovic
Isner/Simon beats Djokovic
 
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Clarky21 said:
Hopefully,Nalby or Fed will thwart Nadal's chance of getting an 8th beating in a row from Djesus. I am actually cheering for Nadal to lose tomorrow to put him out of his misery. His game is garbage,and he stands zero chance of winning the final against Djesus should he even get there. I am begging for Nalby to stop the bleeding,and I think he will. Enough is enough already.
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Nole could make it 10-0 very soon.
 
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In the avatars above me stand 2 of the most classy, elegant and brilliant champions in the history of our fine sport.

PS, in the avatar to the left of this post stands the most bad-ass fictional character EVAAA.
 
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Nathaniel_Near said:
In the avatars above me stand 2 of the most classy, elegant and brilliant champions in the history of our fine sport.

PS, in the avatar to the left of this post stands the most bad-ass fictional character EVAAA.
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That episode was on air just a couple weeks ago. I never get tired of rewatching FMA!
 
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FlashFlare11 said:
Episode 60, especially the last few minutes when Father opens the gate in the sky. Such an epic moment!

And the entirety of 61!
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Absolutely agreed! And, episode 63 is very profound. Also, I am very much a fan of episode 26 because of the compelling back story to one of the lead characters.
 
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Nathaniel_Near said:
Absolutely agreed! And, episode 63 is very profound. Also, I am very much a fan of episode 26 because of the compelling back story to one of the lead characters.
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Ah yes, 26 and 27 are beautiful episodes! In 27, the final scene where Hohenheim sees Trisha standing before him along with the others, that scene coupled with the ending song is one of the most beautiful scenes in any animated television series I've ever watched! So many different emotions in that very particular, very unique scene!
 
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Lol, I've tried to not give anything specific away... sorry, though!

Post #82 though, whoops!
 
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FlashFlare11 said:
Ah yes, 26 and 27 are beautiful episodes! In 27, the final scene where Hohenheim sees Trisha standing before him along with the others, that scene coupled with the ending song is one of the most beautiful scenes in any animated television series I've ever watched! So many different emotions in that very particular, very unique scene!
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You're making me want to watch the whole series again.

PS, FATE do not read this quoted post **SPOILER WARNING**

Back on topic. Fed's played himself into good form over the recent weeks. Let's see how good Nadal can be suddenly coming back from such a long break against a player of Federer's caliber, who has recently won two 500 hc events.
 
nadalwon2012

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Nathaniel_Near said:
You're making me want to watch the whole series again.

PS, FATE do not read this quoted post **SPOILER WARNING**

Back on topic. Fed's played himself into good form over the recent weeks. Let's see how good Nadal can be suddenly coming back from such a long break against a player of Federer's caliber, who has recently won two 500 hc events.
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Nadal has played better than Federer this week actually :lol:
 
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Nadal has been fortunate that in the last number of years that tennis has gone in a direction that greately favours himself - I speak of the great tennis court slowdown almost everyhere. His acheivements are still noteworthy - however at the same time tennis is going against Federer.

There are probably only about 3 or 4 tournament a year that suit Federer and only one of those has over 500 points for the winner.

Imagine if tennis in the 1970's and 1980's had the same tennis courts as now. No-one would have heard of John McEnroe - he wouldn't even be in the top ten even at his peak.
 
FlashFlare11

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Nathaniel_Near said:
You're making me want to watch the whole series again.

PS, FATE do not read this quoted post **SPOILER WARNING**

Back on topic. Fed's played himself into good form over the recent weeks. Let's see how good Nadal can be suddenly coming back from such a long break against a player of Federer's caliber, who has recently won two 500 hc events.
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Gosh, I'm doing it to myself! :)

I was hoping the momentum Federer was riding was going to carry him rather easily to at least the QRTRs. He had a far more difficult draw compared to Nadal and Djokovic. It's a bit difficult to gauge where Federer is because Raonic and Bellucci played extremely good first sets (I've never seen Bellucci play that well on a hard court before). Plus, it was the first time Roger had played them. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable against Juan Martin, an opponent he is very familiar with. Also, hopefully the illness that's been bothering him has subsided as well.
 
TheTruth

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jackson vile said:
Why all the gloom and doom when he has been winning all these tournaments. I am not at all saying that he has the odds in his favor, however I am saying that he is not without a chance in reality.

We have seen many close matches between them, and it is not a best of 5. If it was a slam I would put money on Nadal, but in this situation I would not bet on either.
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Agree. Not to mention that there's still two opponents before they possibly meet. This is just like any other tournament, upsets, and you have to play the matches in front of you first.
 
nadalwon2012

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Nadal has been beating Federer on hardcourts since Nadal was a teenager. Wouldn't matter what 'direction' tennis went, Nadal would always own Federer. 6-1 on outdoor hardcourts. And the only win Federer had was a 5-setter at Miami (when the final was best-of-5) where Nadal won the first 2 sets.
 
TheTruth

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kragster said:
It's sad that on this forum, things have come to a point where a player can't even say they aren't feeling good. Lots of posters (not you) think they are a better authority on a player's health than the player themself and unless there is a doctor's certificate, people will claim any talk of injury or sickness is an excuse. I for one am perfectly fine with taking what the player says at face value. If Fed says he's sick or Rafa says his knees hurt or Nole says he had breathing issues, I am not going to question it because in the grand scheme of things, health and fitness are part and parcel of the game .Even if the player is lying, he/she will be judged purely on accomplishments. No one is going to hand out extra slams to a player, because they COULD have won if they had been 100%.
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Amen.......!
 
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That's right, based on history Nadal will be favourite should they meet. However, it's his first tournament back and it's just the best of 3 format, and Fed's been on a roll. I look forward to the hopeful match-up, should it happen.
 
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nadalwon2012 said:
Nadal has been beating Federer on hardcourts since Nadal was a teenager. Wouldn't matter what 'direction' tennis went, Nadal would always own Federer. 6-1 on outdoor hardcourts. And the only win Federer had was a 5-setter at Miami (when the final was best-of-5) where Nadal won the first 2 sets.
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Nadal is lucky that they chose to slow down the court and increases the bounce. Had the surface was play like in the 90s, Fed would beat Nadal more often. Notice the Nadal never beat Fed on fast indoor. And 30 year old Fed still the king on indoor, even the #1 Nole is not as good as him.
 
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Nathaniel_Near said:
That's right, based on history Nadal will be favourite should they meet. However, it's his first tournament back and it's just the best of 3 format, and Fed's been on a roll. I look forward to the hopeful match-up, should it happen.
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Even though the usual result occurs more often than what I'd like, there's always a part of me that tells me that Roger will do it. It's that and nothing else that attracts me to watch their matches. Oh, and Roger is playing (another incentive to watch).
 
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nadalwon2012 said:
Nadal has been beating Federer on hardcourts since Nadal was a teenager. Wouldn't matter what 'direction' tennis went, Nadal would always own Federer. 6-1 on outdoor hardcourts. And the only win Federer had was a 5-setter at Miami (when the final was best-of-5) where Nadal won the first 2 sets.
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I believe it's 5-1. But in Federer's best years they met 3 times on outdoor hard, 2-1 to Nadal. Impressive but not conclusive.

What's gone against Federer is age. He is enough off his prime to make life against prime nadal whose game is tailor made to beat federer, very very difficult. Against a non hardcourt prime Nadal back in 2004-2006 Federer would probably hold a fairly even H2H, or have the edge if they played on fast low bouncing courts, but they didn't play much (though Federer won the only 5 set match) Non prime Federer against prime Nadal though is going to be firmly in Nadal's favour except on fast low bouncing courts

Surfaces do play a part. Did Federer and Nadal ever play Cinci, or US Open? Dubai was fast but that was once and Federer kind of blew that match. Apart from that we have Miami x2 (slow) AO x2 (slow)
 
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TMF said:
Nadal is lucky that they chose to slow down the court and increases the bounce. Had the surface was play like in the 90s, Fed would beat Nadal more often. Notice the Nadal never beat Fed on fast indoor. And 30 year old Fed still the king on indoor, even the #1 Nole is not as good as him.
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Nadal would run down balls that Agassi never could vs Sampras. So Nadal would be beating Sampras regularly in the 90s. Hewitt gave Sampras fits, and he's a very light/untalented version of Nadal. And Nadal would be out-maneuvering Agassi and beating him too. And Nadal would still be beating Federer in the 90s, on clay more than ever, because that was far slower clay than the clay they have today. On hardcourts, yeah Nadal would love the bouncy rebound ace of Australia, and would beat Federer there everytime. US Open, it would be a toss-up. Nadal, as he's said before, can use his big serve when required, so he would on the ultra-fast US Open 90s court.
 
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nadalwon2012 said:
Nadal would run down balls that Agassi never could vs Sampras. So Nadal would be beating Sampras regularly in the 90s. Hewitt gave Sampras fits, and he's a very light version of Nadal. And Nadal would be out-maneuvering Agassi and beating him too. And Nadal would still be beating Federer in the 90s, on clay more than ever, because that was far slower clay than the clay they have today. On hardcourts, yeah Nadal would love the bouncy rebound ace of Australia, and would beat Federer there everytime. US Open, it would be a toss-up. Nadal, as he's said before, can use his big serve when required, so he would on the ultra-fast US Open 90s court.
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This supposed mega serve which Nadal simply chooses not to use. Are you not at all surprised that he hasn't brought it out again in full force against Nole in finals, especially considering the success he had against Nole in the 2010 US Open Final. Odd one, that Nadal, eh.:-|
 
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TMF said:
Nadal is lucky that they chose to slow down the court and increases the bounce.

Had the surface was play like in the 90s, Fed would beat Nadal more often. Notice the Nadal never beat Fed on fast indoor. And 30 year old Fed still the king on indoor, even the #1 Nole is not as good as him.
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So they should only have courts that benefit Federer?

How can you know that? Fed wasn't winning the big ones when he first came on tour against the other fast court players.

They're playing on the same surfaces. All is fair. Nadal has the advantage on clay and outdoor hc, and Fed has the advantage indoors. Should they switch up everything so that only benefits Federer?
 
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