Claremont I.T.F
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maggmaster
Hall of Fame
That is a tough match he has though. He is a 15 year old blue chip vs an 18 year old 5 star. What would you say is the expected result?
Number1Coach
Banned
Ga did you get the pics of him after his workouts ? 16 in April
yep. good luck today
Tennishacker
Professional
DB & BB, right on track to the pros.
Good analysis, but still winning 5 matches on that level is not too shabby. Next week DB should be playing level 1 where the competition is stiffer, so he ll get a chance to go up against better kids.
Number1Coach
Banned
This is awesome , if we are using the rankings to prove our point and where we are then what chance does DB have getting through 2 rounds at Claremont ? Remember his ranking in the ITF is outside 1000.
So according to the logic your using he may win a round here .
Number1Coach
Banned
So next week the level will increase because the players there can travel more and collect more points around the world because of the money the have backing them,,I have come to learn the rankings really don't say much at the junior level .
Number1Coach
Banned
To prove my point last year DB took out a player who was top 100 in the world ITF and DB was 1000 in the world and he still has a ranking no one can bragg about but if he was to travel with the game he plays he could be top 20 .
Its all about the money in the juniors
GRANITECHIEF
Hall of Fame
Good points. Players with money can be much higher ranked but it doesn't mean they are better players. Just look how many seeds are left in the quarters/semis.
Also interesting to note that out of players from 10 +/- countries, SoCal is dominating.
Great job by DB so far. Should be a fun match today!
Also interesting to note that out of players from 10 +/- countries, SoCal is dominating.
Great job by DB so far. Should be a fun match today!
When I said better competition, I meant tougher and better players. I m going to throw out a few names and some of them have the ranking and some of them barely made the draw or are in qualies and yet I consider stiffer competition. That s all!
Schneider, Madregallejo, Brymer, Mylnikov (may not have the ranking but will be tough to beat) and then the usual suspects with, as you say, traveling money power, such as Rubin, Macky, Papa, Thai, Strobel, Corintelli, Kozlov and etc.
No matter how you look at it, it s just better competition than the one in the Claremont ITF.
Number1Coach
Banned
Deiton won it in 3 set ,,from what I heard high level from beginning to end McClaine is really solid .
Tennishacker
Professional
I don't know why people on here still bash the journey DB & family is on?
Where do they think our past American Champs came from?
Sampras, Chang, Capriati, Evert, Austin, Davenport...
Strong parent, private coaching and no USTA help.
They've made their bed, just cheer for them.
Number1Coach
Banned
btw great to hear a fellow American on here .
Number1Coach
Banned
So true ! thanx
Because the posers on this board act like they have a clue as to what it takes to be or make a pro and DB's dad and coach are trying their hardest to help this kid become a pro without the safety net of college. In other words, they're jealous and like to crap on DB. I don't know him or his dad but the BS he puts up with is laughable. My son was at a national and we saw him playing while his dad was busting his balls, not my way of training, but I never saw Aggassi's dad bang a pipe on the fence either. I'm glad the kid is doing well and hope he's a pro if he has the talent and the work ethic. Seems like he has a good start.
In that case, I guess you are predicting he does as well next week as this week?
why "predict" anything? If he doesn't go into every tournament thinking that he can win the whole thing, why bother? I don't get this whole "crapping on DB or his dad" thing. Just seems like misplaced hostility. I suspect that each of us has a kid and/or coached and let's just put the results up to comparison. DB seems to be doing well. I can't predict the future and I suspect that many here are similarly disabled. why not just comment on what you know and quit trying to put other people down.
he's 15 ,6'4''+,big serves,works hard,nice young man,starting to know how to win,moves well for a tall kid...... put things in their proper perspective...
oh I get it. You and the jesters are just trying to straighten DB and his dad out for the good of tennis in this country. Just toughen them up so they get used to the hard knocks coming their way. Got it.. Gee, is there a book with the "key" marks in it? What a joke. Since you know the "key marks" could you please look at the current roster of 13,14,15 and 16 year olds in this country that just might have a chance. Since DB should pack it in, would you mind going up to him in public and just telling him that. You know? As a helpful way of making him realize that he has NO CHANCE according to you of making money on the tour. I mean as a tall 15 year old that hasn't even finished his secondary growth and worked his way up underfunded and essentially making the rounds by his dad's hustle. Did you ever think that maybe that's why his dad is "over hyping" his kid. He might have a hard time coming up with airfare/gas, hotels, shoes, strings, coaching, videotaping, balls, overgrips, clothes and the other hundreds of things that all the top kids need. Just because you and some of the others failed to produce a pro, or had a player get injured, burnt out or just didn't make it, makes your and the others "predictions" and "helpful suggestions" look petty and at times a bit pompous. I can't measure what's in DBs heart or his dad's. That's all that really matters. My kid has a Big 10, an SEC and a Mountain West conference coaches talking, emailing, and looking at him. If he's real lucky he'll get to play D-1 tennis at the school of his dreams. However I'd never crap on his dreams of somehow qualifying for a pro-event. He's mature enough to know that it's not likely but he's competitive enough to dream big dreams and work his tail off. Who knows? I hope DB does well. I wish his father well. It would be nice to see some Americans in a wave about 4 or 5 years from now dominate the top 10. It would be really nice.
Well said.
Its all about the money and connections at the top of the juniors and the pros BB. It is what it is.
You look at the top pros, they caught someones eye early on with their talent and got WCs and sponsors helped with equipment and expenses. They rode that support in the juniors, through top ITFs, Jr. Slams, etc. Look at the support guys like Harrison, Young, Sock have gotten.
The talent gets them noticed. Then it takes tons of support to gain any kind of traction in order to try and climb that steep hill to the top 100.
My friend, if you can pull off any sort of profitable pro career you will be my hero. The road you are trying, from the outside, not one of the federation's guys, no fanfare in juniors such as Orange Bowls and Jr. Slams to attract major sponsors, trudging through men's opens, challengers, futures. Wow, that is about the toughest way of doing it that I can imagine. All I can say is good luck, with your energy and tenacity I know you will give it your best!
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This post is over the line. Clark is a good poster and asked a valid question of BB. If BB feels rankings are worthless and only the result of chasing points, does he feel his son will dominate the perennially highly ranked boys he will face next week? Are all the high ranked boys inflated or just some in BB's educated opinion?
A valid question from Clark that could have sparked a nice conversation between the 2 posters. No need to blow it up like this.
yes indeed.. he's younger than DB...haven't seen him play lately , this is a great win...
Wow, you are right, I did not know that. Logan does not turn 16 until the end of October, DB turns in April. Quite impressive win for the young fella.
That is another great thing about tennis. In most sports a kid sees an opponent who is 6 months older, 6 inches taller, and 30 lbs. heavier and would be thinking "ut oh". But in tennis the smaller players have lots of options to level the playing field and walk away with the trophy. We also saw that in the women's Sony final.
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Tennishacker
Professional
Is that Peter Smith's kid?
jigglypuff
Rookie
no........
The 9th grade has quite a few kids that are really good.
Not only beating excellent 10th graders, but some excellent 11th graders.
Really? Just asking a valid question. Uh, OK. You mean he isn't trying to bust BB's balls about how proud he is of how his son is doing. He just want's a little prediction about how his son will "dominate the perennially high ranked boys" he'll face.
I'll tell you how he might feel. (speaking as a father, trainer and coach) He'll think his son will win. If he didn't feel that way and make DB feel that he can beat ANYBODY then he's not doing his job. As far as a "nice conversation" with Clark. Doubtful, very doubtful. These jags usually turn into subtle and overt putdowns of his kid, his methods, his coaching, his personal life and on and on... it's pathetic.
I've been lurking on this board trying to glean information about equipments, latest training, good coaching, good tournaments, strings etc... for awhile and finally registered in order to comment. I just found it odd that a guy that seems to march to his own drummer and brags about his kid is just pummeled by keyboard commandos. Then they spout off about this necessary timeline, or that needed ITF marker or which junior beat who in order to just crap all over a road that he and his son have taken. His kid is still 15 or 16 and playing in a tough section with NO FINANCIAL HELP for travel and training.
I saw a youtube video that made me a little sad seeing his kid on a f'ing stationary bicycle in his house "getting cardio", running up some hill and punching a bag. No pylo boxes, no interval training with a cardio monitor, no training with lactate detectors and accuchecks, no low O2 training to develop advanced cardio for sea level vs. elevation tournaments, probably no dietary consultation in order to eat 6-7 meals a day with proper carb/fat/protein ratios and post work out weight checks, hydration checks and recovery diets. He probably hasn't even considered doing bone density tests, range of motion/strength analysis or go get high speed video to analyze in order to prevent shoulder injuries or stress fractures of his back. Just some poor smo that is kind of winging it and hustling his butt off in order to get his kid noticed. Well if I hurt Clark's feelings or the other putdown queens on this board. I'm sorry. It's just that where I grew up, I didn't like bullies and generally found them to be cowards. But hey, it's just my opinion and I could be wrong......as far as giving me advice on what to post. Why thank you so much. I'll consider what you've written.
Erman, relax already. BB implied on post # 14 that top rankings are only the result of money. So if you want to talk about 'busting' on kids, thats doing it too. I see how hard the top 10 kids ITF and USTA work....very, very hard. They put it on the line with killer schedules month after month and deserve respect.
So Clark simply asked BB if since he felt his kid would beat the high ranked kids he would face. Clark is a parent too and most likely reacted just like you say you and BB would.
BB is not Mother Theresa either. So lets not act like these big bad posters are picking on him. BB has said over the years only he knows how to raise a champion, accused a child named Kozlov of lying about his age with no evidence, said other American coaches are worthless and weak, predicted numerous shorter kids would fail as pros, etc.
He ain't no angel so lets not get too aggressive when folks challenge him.
So Clark simply asked BB if since he felt his kid would beat the high ranked kids he would face. Clark is a parent too and most likely reacted just like you say you and BB would.
BB is not Mother Theresa either. So lets not act like these big bad posters are picking on him. BB has said over the years only he knows how to raise a champion, accused a child named Kozlov of lying about his age with no evidence, said other American coaches are worthless and weak, predicted numerous shorter kids would fail as pros, etc.
He ain't no angel so lets not get too aggressive when folks challenge him.
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Are the draws out for ITF Grade 1? Would be interesting to see how the matches lined up?
Here is the link to all the draws:
http://www.usta.com/Youth-Tennis/Ju...ampionships/InternationalSpringChampionships/
http://www.usta.com/Youth-Tennis/Ju...ampionships/InternationalSpringChampionships/
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GRANITECHIEF
Hall of Fame
Much stronger draws. DB is in a tough section. Best of luck!
You are making a fool of yourself. If you read the threads on DB, I have never piled on to all the predicting that DB will not do well. I never want to put a ceiling on anyone's accomplishments; let them push as hard as they can and see how far they can go.
If you read my previous posts, you will also see that stupid statements and bad logic that reach my eyes are like blood in the water to a shark. I probably should not care so much, but I can't help myself. I wanted DB to win the Claremont ITF, and I have never even heard of Logan Smith, but I thought it was silly for BB to claim that the only reason the guys at the higher ITF this week have higher rankings is because they have the money to travel and get points. There are a lot of people this week that I have heard of, and some of them are really good. I think knowledgeable followers of junior tennis know it is a tougher tournament, not just full of rich kids with inflated rankings, but really good players.
I would say that DB will roll through his first match in a relatively easy fashion, then a tough match up with Redlicki who stands 6'5 and is a powerful lefty. Should be a great match. 50/50 chance there, they both play aggressive attacking game. Then maybe Rubin, which is also a tough match.
Lets not run ahead of ourselves though. Some other interesting matches as well.
DB won in 3 sets. Next up is the battle of the tall guys.
Michael Redlicki beat Deiton 2-6, 6-1, 7-6(2). Honestly, I am surprised that Deiton did that well against a pretty high blue chip who is two years older. Redlicki is #13 on the blue chip list for the 2012 class and committed to Duke. At the very least, it appears that Deiton will maintain a legitimate top 10 ranking through graduation, which is great for college recruiting. He could do better than that.
TennisFan2Day
Rookie
Martin Redlicki beat Deiton, not Michael. Martin is Michael's younger brother and is in the same grade as Deiton. I think they are about 9 months apart in age.
Michael is in OKC getting ready for the Futures.
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Ah! That makes the score more reasonable. I noticed that the Redlicki brothers are both blue chips, and was just noticing yesterday that the Hiltzik brothers from Illinois are also both blue chips, and the same ages (10th and 12th grades).
