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bhallic24
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of GS Finals Winners. What are your thoughts coming from the nole, fed, nadal camp. Are the nadal and fed fans happy that Murray denied Novak a slam so he doesn't creep up so fast in the slam count on their boys?
FedererDropShot
Hall of Fame
Fed - happy. Why? Cause Fed benefits from Djokovic's loss in terms of holding the No. 1 rank for a bit longer.
Djokovic lost more points than Fed from this.
Nadal - neutral. Doesn't matter for now.
Djokovic - obviously angry that Murray denied him.
But overall, the Big 3 should fear for what is to come? We could see Murray winning the following in 2013:
Aus, Wimbledon and US considering his performance in all of them this year.
Djokovic lost more points than Fed from this.
Nadal - neutral. Doesn't matter for now.
Djokovic - obviously angry that Murray denied him.
But overall, the Big 3 should fear for what is to come? We could see Murray winning the following in 2013:
Aus, Wimbledon and US considering his performance in all of them this year.
DolgoSantoro
Professional
I'm a fed fan first and a Murray fan second, but I wasn't cheering against Novak! I was cheering for Murray and you shouldn't need an ulterior motive to do that. Guy's worked his butt off for years and he deserves this now
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bhallic24
Guest
BOLD predic there. we'll see if he can bring the goods to the party next year.
Honestly people put a lot on the WTF but I don't really care much for them. For all I care Berdych can win it and I won't be upset. But the indoor court with a closed roof thing is cool though.
Sreeram
Professional
I am other way round, I am Murray fan first but I have lots of respect for Fed. I think Murray and Fed are the two most talented players of this time.
This match was awesome, Andy played well in patches, he has to learn to play consistently at same level. But I am sure he will win at least 1 more Slam next year.
SO excited to see what Murray will be starting this win. Will we see a new version of him? I want him to have Golden Slam. But that is long way from now.
FedererDropShot
Hall of Fame
I said ''could'' win not WILL win.
forzamilan90
Legend
Murray's still a young man, he can really make a dominant run at #1. The mental block is out of the way now, and the talent was always there.
bjsnider
Hall of Fame
I think Murray and Djokovic are the two best hard court players, and I think they'll be battling over the important hard court titles for the next 3-5 years. I think both could make inroads into RG and Wimbledon too. If Murray does well in the fall, he could also end the year as the #1 player, which would put him on equal terms with his peers in that sense. I think Murray's ascension is bad news for the rest of the tour. He's here to stay, and every tournament is in play.
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NadalAgassi
Guest
You wont see Murray win 3 slams in a year ever. He doesnt have the kind of game or mentality to dominate the way Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic all have at times. Best case I could see is a 2 slam year for him someday.
I agree with your thoughts on what each of the guys think though.
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
Now all murray needs is to pray that Nadal withdraws from any tournament he's interested in winning.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
would andy win 3 majors next year ? does he have the game ?
flyinghippos101
Legend
Err... better than well. I'm pretty sure he'd have to win everything in sight for the entire year to somehow win the year end #1
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bhallic24
Guest
My bad, I musta missread. For give me my eyes are a little weary after tracking a yellow ball for the last 5 hours.
FedererDropShot
Hall of Fame
Murray's performance all depends on the bad performance of the Big 3. Nole - many unforced errors, unlike himself
Fed - Gets blasted away by Berdych
Nadal - not even in the tournament.
InvisibleSoul
Hall of Fame
As a big Federer fan, that's my line of thinking. The more spread out the upcoming Slams get distributed in the next few years, the more likely Federer will remain the all time leader, preserving his legacy.
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bhallic24
Guest
Lol that's funny. But seriously the next 2 years are gonna be great in terms of competition but then after that I think it'll get boring unless someone comes up and makes a stand. Imagine when Fed/Nadal/Djoko retire and its just Murray beating up on mental midgets and actual midgets (height wise). Vomit.
bjsnider
Hall of Fame
If one of the big 3 wins the tour final, plus one of Shanghai/Paris, they'll almost certainly be #1. I've been looking at the numbers. Federer has a lot of points to defend, Djokovic doesn't. Murray has Shanghai but not Paris or London. Djokovic definitely has the inside track, but it's up for grabs, between those 3 guys anyway. The final 1/2/3 rankings are unpredictable at this point.
mellowyellow
Legend
If gettign a draw to fall your way and the tourney organizers to f up scheduling for the semi and the assured rain you would be correct, and lets be fair it certainly looked like the schedule and playing 3 days in a row affected Djoko in the last set. Nice going USO, another abysmal display for a final.
Jackuar
Hall of Fame
Disagree there.
Nole - much of his unforced errors were actually "Forced" by Murray by his defensive and stable play style. Murray tried to match him shot-to-shot, and play fast and he ended up hitting long and wide. I distinctly observed that as long as Murray play his game of hitting right at the sweet spot, it certainly caused Djoker an imbalance in his rhythm (Neither too much of a baseline shot nor right at the center... It was just between both and at a medium pace - I dono how else to describe it)
Fed getting blasted away didn't make Murray's path any easier. He still had his task to do and Berdych is a worthy SF opponent
Nadal - probably yes, but I would still have given the chances to Murray.
On OP..
Though a Fed fan, honestly, I'm a tennis fan secondly. If its not Fed, then let the best man win - whoever it is. And in that way, I'm very happy for Murray - he deserves this.
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monfed
Guest
As a player it sucks to see Murray win a slam. The only good thing that came out of it is this would help Roger get more legroom for year end #1 and weeks at #1. Plus another good thing that comes out of it is something I'd rather not mention but hint - Ralph. 
powerangle
Legend
I'm a tennis fan first...so I was just rooting for great tennis. I like all of the top 4 players actually (some more than others, but it depends). After Fed won Wimby this year, I wanted Murray to win USO so each of the top 4 would get a slam. Plus, I wanted Andy to get over the hump and finally get his first major title.
I would have been happy for Novak if he had won, too.
No ulterior motive here.
Fed's happy cuz he's keeping Djoker at 2 a little longer and pushing Nadal further down to 4, and if Fed plays well could get that year end #1.
Fed is happy. He dislikes Djoko, likes Murray, and knows Murray has no chance in hell of becoming a GOAT contender or threatening his legacy. The way some people were talking about Djoko at the beginning of the year, he was on the verge of being declared a bigger GOAT contender than not only Nadal, but Federer. All of that is starting to look slightly ridiculous now, but a win for Djokovic might have started the silly "Djoker GOAT" bandwagon again.
Ditto for Nadal. He loves Murray and Murray loves him. He probably roots for Murray to win every tournament he isn't in or can't win. Also, as with Fed, Murray can't really threaten his legacy (he's started winning big too late, and will likely win less majors than Djoker), but Djokovic can. The less majors Djokovic wins, the better it looks for Nadal's legacy. So Murray did him a favor.
Ditto for Nadal. He loves Murray and Murray loves him. He probably roots for Murray to win every tournament he isn't in or can't win. Also, as with Fed, Murray can't really threaten his legacy (he's started winning big too late, and will likely win less majors than Djoker), but Djokovic can. The less majors Djokovic wins, the better it looks for Nadal's legacy. So Murray did him a favor.
TennisLovaLova
Hall of Fame
this USO MUrray won is with an asterisk
He should have lost vs Berdych but the game conditions favored his passive pushing style
He should have lost vs Berdych but the game conditions favored his passive pushing style
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
This thread is about FANS reactions to Murray's win, not what Federer is thinking or feeling. Seems everyone can read Fred's mind
I am happy for Murray that he won his first slam.
Unhappy for Nole considering he was going for winners and trying to take the match into his hands. He really had the momentum going when the fifth set began.
I am unhappy that people are putting asterisks against Murray's wins. First with OG, it was "not really a slam" thing, and now people are saying Murray benefited from the wind or else Berdy would have won.
When the roof was closed at WO, everyone wanted it open. No one talked of Murray benefiting in the first set from the wind, it was Fed who benefited from the roof. Federer was supposed to have lost had the roof not come on, even though he won the second set without the roof. The lack of wind was the enemy. Now suddenly the wind is the enemy.
Shows how fickle minded and biased fans can be.
The field/draw/conditions are what they were.
Anyway, I would have like a closer final set as with the women's. Still, happy for Muzza.
I am happy for Murray that he won his first slam.
Unhappy for Nole considering he was going for winners and trying to take the match into his hands. He really had the momentum going when the fifth set began.
I am unhappy that people are putting asterisks against Murray's wins. First with OG, it was "not really a slam" thing, and now people are saying Murray benefited from the wind or else Berdy would have won.
When the roof was closed at WO, everyone wanted it open. No one talked of Murray benefiting in the first set from the wind, it was Fed who benefited from the roof. Federer was supposed to have lost had the roof not come on, even though he won the second set without the roof. The lack of wind was the enemy. Now suddenly the wind is the enemy.
Shows how fickle minded and biased fans can be.
The field/draw/conditions are what they were.
Anyway, I would have like a closer final set as with the women's. Still, happy for Muzza.
RF-17-GOAT
Semi-Pro
I'm happy he won but mainly because I don't like Novak.
syc23
Professional
Murray will be in contention to win AO '13, F of FO (provided the draw works out for him), he'll be joint favourites with Fed for Wim '13 and he'll defend USO '13.
If you look back at 2011, if it wasn't for Nadal, he could have been in all 4 GS finals. If Nadal is out of the equation next year, we'll see Murray pick up grand slams no.2 & 3.
If you look back at 2011, if it wasn't for Nadal, he could have been in all 4 GS finals. If Nadal is out of the equation next year, we'll see Murray pick up grand slams no.2 & 3.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
I am sad that after Fed fades the pushers will lord it over everyone.
a10best
Hall of Fame
Asterisk?? I like all top 4 players, Federer more b/c of his strokes, Nadal b/c of his grit. Djokovic b/c of his speed and improved play. Murray, well he does a lot of things well but nothing stands out above the other 3 but he can win on any given day.
The FO had windy and/or cold conditions. Rafa won those.
The AO has a much slippier court surface than USO. Also humid.
These guys practice in this stuff (wind, dry weather, humid, frigid) all the time during the year.
So Federer's FO should not count against Soderling?
Rafa's FO against the Argentine who doped?
Nole's against Tsonga at AO?
Berdych is a bad match-up for Federer. It's not the same against Murray. I was sad to see Fed lose his streak of reaching semis at slams broken.
pusher? Rafa, Nole, even Fed just get the ball back in play at times. :-?
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Just one point, in the wind Federer would have given Berdych maybe 5-6 games total. Murray's closest call was vs Lopez. I also don't agree with the asterisk. What's won is earned and that's that.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
That wouldn't be enough for Murray, not even close. Except if you think it likely that Federer won't win a single match until the end of the year.
At the moment, Djokovic is ahead, but not by that big a margin, and the conditions favour Federer first, and Murray second. The most likely scenario looks to be the same order between the top 3 at the end of the year, but with Djokovic closing some of the gap on Federer, and Murray closing some on Djokovic. Federer would probably be well-advised to ask for a wildcard in Tokyo, though (or better yet, Beijing). Otherwise, he would be cutting it mighty fine should Djokovic win Beijing. We'll see.
a10best
Hall of Fame
After Rafa beat Djokovic in a few slam finals he said the same thing and Djokovic blossomed. We need to listen to Rafa. Who is the next "new" slam winner Rafa?
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
I think they are pleased for him on a personal level, they know how hard he's worked and how much it hurt for him to not of made it. Each of the big 3 speak well of Murray, so they will be pleased in the regard.
On a professional level, now Murray has got over the hump there is less pressure. He won't be as tight in the big matches now he's going for his second, he might go for his shots a bit more etc.. That's dangerous for his rivals.
On a professional level, now Murray has got over the hump there is less pressure. He won't be as tight in the big matches now he's going for his second, he might go for his shots a bit more etc.. That's dangerous for his rivals.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
I don't think Murray can beat Nadal in any surface let alone Clay.
When Nadal Comes back, I'm afraid it going to be Fedal all over again!
When Nadal Comes back, I'm afraid it going to be Fedal all over again!
batz
G.O.A.T.
This must explain why Murray is 5-3 on hardcourts V Rafa since he entered the top 6, why he is 2-2 in career hardcourt slams v Rafa, and why he lost only FOUR points when winning the last set they played.
The most ridiculously ill-informed 2 lines I have seen in a while.
Polaris
Hall of Fame
I like Murray more than Djoker, so I'm pretty pleased with this result.
Regarding multi-slam years, or Murray's place in history, or will Murray be the next whatever, or what Djoker/Rafa/Fed have to do now: that's not my thing. Let sureshs take care of that, he has more than enough forum time for the two of us.
Regarding multi-slam years, or Murray's place in history, or will Murray be the next whatever, or what Djoker/Rafa/Fed have to do now: that's not my thing. Let sureshs take care of that, he has more than enough forum time for the two of us.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
Agree with your stats Batz, But Playing nadal in Slams is whole different story.Yes you can argue that Murray might hold the edge in HC, but Nadal will come through when it matters the most. that is because of his style of play more than anything.
but I agree with you
Don't overhype Murray. He just won his first slam and the Olympics gold. The question is, can he sustain this high level in the following years? We all suffer from the representativeness bias. We tend to think that what happened just now will continue as if it represented the "norm." But in the long run, things revert to the mean which is the "true norm." Murray's norm so far has been reaching finals and winning the occasional big tournament. Let's wait and see if he can move to the higher norm of winning multiple slams.
I said the same things about Nadal 2 years ago and about Novak last year. People were drooling all over them and saying how they would win everything from now on. I said let's wait and see. We have seen that neither has lived up to the hype.
That being said, it's cool to see all of the "Big 4" holding one slam each at the moment. We may not see it again.
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