[2] Novak Djokovic vs [3] Andy Murray US Open FINAL

Who will win the final slam of 2012?

  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 17 8.3%
  • Djokovic in 4

    Votes: 33 16.0%
  • Djokovic in 5

    Votes: 23 11.2%
  • Murray in 3

    Votes: 13 6.3%
  • Murray in 4

    Votes: 54 26.2%
  • Murray in 5

    Votes: 66 32.0%

  • Total voters
    206

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
this Andy is a weirdo however. all athletes go and hug their families after this kind of huge win. but what does he do ? he wants his watch. why don't you go hug a watch sponsor then
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
this Andy is a weirdo however. all athletes go and hug their families after this kind of huge win. but what does he do ? he wants his watch. why don't you go hug a watch sponsor then

Thought his family told Andy to go back and find his shoes? Nole had a spare pair in a bag on ice.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
I normally don't post here, and hoped for Djokovic to win, but if he was going to lose better to Murray than Fed or Nadal, IMO. Still, I don't undertsand why are people saying he had a bad year, he played 3 grand slam finals, if I am correct and won one. Murray played two, won 1, Nadal played 2 won one, Roger played 1 won that one. Murray won the Gold medal, which is pretty nice. Still Djokovic had a very good year, not as good as last, but surely not a bad year. I guess he could count it as a bad year since had a great chance of winning 3 slams this year.
 

namelessone

Legend
Good match, would've been great if not for the wind messing up at least half of it.

I'm glad that Andy got this monkey off his back, maybe he will start coming into his own now. Djoko tried his best but he was worn out physically in the end. I get why he was booed(the timing) but to me he looked like he was in genuine physical distress. Oh well.

So, 4 winners in 4 slams this year.

Nice. Weak era ahoy.
 

SeeingDusk

Hall of Fame
I was there. The crowd and atmosphere was amazing!!! When Murray was 2 sets leading, I was quite disappointing, as I thought it was going to end in 3 sets. Amazing final and congratulations to Murray for his first grand slam!!
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
I find it a bit ironic that Murray finally won his slam playing the way he did today. He definitely reverted back to his passive, retrieving game, but I guess that's what the conditions called for. It was very windy early on, and the wind never completely went away. I thought he played much better in the Wimbledon final, but I guess it's all about who you're playing and how you and your opponent are playing on the day.
 

TheF1Bob

Banned
I'm sorry yeah but I've got to post this. Got it from the US Open Facebook page.

Great fight.. Wind, three matches in a row. You as always showed a lot of heart.. Get some rest.

Hilarious. :lol:
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I find it a bit ironic that Murray finally won his slam playing the way he did today. He definitely reverted back to his passive, retrieving game, but I guess that's what the conditions called for. It was very windy early on, and the wind never completely went away. I thought he played much better in the Wimbledon final, but I guess it's all about who you're playing and how you and your opponent are playing on the day.

You make some good points. I also thought he was playing too passively at times but it could have been wind tactics. I recall how he got blown off the court (almost literally) by Nadal in the final of 2009 Indian Wells. It had been very windy too and Murray did not cope at all well. I wonder if he learned from that experience to cope much better in very windy conditions?
 
I find it a bit ironic that Murray finally won his slam playing the way he did today. He definitely reverted back to his passive, retrieving game, but I guess that's what the conditions called for. It was very windy early on, and the wind never completely went away. I thought he played much better in the Wimbledon final, but I guess it's all about who you're playing and how you and your opponent are playing on the day.

No way was he passive, absolutely ********, he was aggressive when he needed to be and defensive when he needed to be.

What match were you watching?
 
I find it a bit ironic that Murray finally won his slam playing the way he did today. He definitely reverted back to his passive, retrieving game, but I guess that's what the conditions called for. It was very windy early on, and the wind never completely went away. I thought he played much better in the Wimbledon final, but I guess it's all about who you're playing and how you and your opponent are playing on the day.

The interesting part about Murray not being aggressive was him knowing that Djokovic was not playing well. Djokovic is a terrible wind player, and he was even off today (either as a result of the wind or a factor on top of the wind).

There was no need to risk UE's if Djokovic will fold on his own. Federer at Wimbledon definitely wasn't going to beat himself, so Murray had to play aggressively just to win the first set.

Another thing I saw was that Murray kept it relatively low. Djokovic just couldn't do much with those shots, even when he gained a second wind in the third and fourth sets today. The high shots were no problem - it was the low ones that killed Djokovic.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
No way was he passive, absolutely ********, he was aggressive when he needed to be and defensive when he needed to be.

What match were you watching?

He wasn't nearly as aggressive as he was at Wimbledon, or even compared to his general style of play recently. I can't count the number of times he got a short ball that could've been a winner or approach shot that he just rolled back into play and kept the point going. He was aggressive at times, sure, but everyone's aggressive for at least a few points in a match. Most of the time he wanted to lengthen the point and let Djokovic try to hit through the wind, which he wasn't able to do until he was already down two sets to love.

I'm not criticizing him. I was rooting for him to win. I'm very happy he finally won a slam. I was just making an observation. And it's not a bad thing to play passively in the wind and let your opponent make mistakes. It's what he did against Berdych. It's smart.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
Absolute bollocks, you were looking for the negatives, when you look for the negatives, you end up filtering out the positives. There were many occasions where Murray went deep and hard with inside out forehands, making Novak lunge, which then opened up the court for the easy winner.

Being aggressive isn't as black and white as smacking winners from no-where, there's a thing called point-construction, which you require a certain amount of aggression to succeed with.

I'm speaking relatively here. Relative to the way he played at Wimbledon and the Olympics, he was rather passive. Of course he was aggressive at times and looked to dictate play at times, but those times were fewer than they were a month ago. A player has to play with a certain level of aggression to succeed, but aggression was not pushed to the forefront of his strategy today, while it was early this year on grass. That's all I'm trying to say. Murray's no pusher - and I can understand why you might be defensive about his passive game given the comments that have been leveled at him by some people - but today he was far from aggressive - even and especially given the standards of his own game.
 

tennisMVP

Banned
Murray is the likely winner of the 2012 US Open, in my opinion. He is simply a better player than Djokovic right now.

I've actually seen Djokovic and Murray play this week. So I'm able to judge. The numbers are of no use. I mean, you are aware that they are playing different opponents, right?

The crowd has always been with Nadal at the US Open and Australian Open, but that clearly didn't bother Djokovic. The crowd will be with Murray, but I don't see it making a difference. I think Murray will win, simply because he's now better than Djokovic.

They don't call me tennisMVP for nothing.
 

Sky_Boy

New User
The stupidly long rallies make me want to change the channel

that is the way tennis is nowdays.. how many federer do u think there r ? anyone is the top 200 is alrdy expectionally talented..do u see anyone of them able to play the attacking game like fed.. look at top 4 nadal djo murray all good defenders , all play long rallies.. and dun forget top 4 stand out so far from the rest considering that the rest r alrdy v talented whichi alrdy mentioned
 

Sky_Boy

New User
I'm speaking relatively here. Relative to the way he played at Wimbledon and the Olympics, he was rather passive. Of course he was aggressive at times and looked to dictate play at times, but those times were fewer than they were a month ago. A player has to play with a certain level of aggression to succeed, but aggression was not pushed to the forefront of his strategy today, while it was early this year on grass. That's all I'm trying to say. Murray's no pusher - and I can understand why you might be defensive about his passive game given the comments that have been leveled at him by some people - but today he was far from aggressive - even and especially given the standards of his own game.

i dun exactly consider murray a pusher but he certainly did not go for his shots as much as djoko today.. he was only aggressive on short balls but not on the baseline.. murray didn't quite try to create opp form the baseline today
 

tennisMVP

Banned
that is the way tennis is nowdays.. how many federer do u think there r ? anyone is the top 200 is alrdy expectionally talented..do u see anyone of them able to play the attacking game like fed.. look at top 4 nadal djo murray all good defenders , all play long rallies.. and dun forget top 4 stand out so far from the rest considering that the rest r alrdy v talented whichi alrdy mentioned

But still, Roland Garros final, especially sets 3 and 4 was absolute attack mode. Nadal was ending points very quickly in set 4, and Djokovic in set 3. Murray doesn't like ending points quickly, even on his favorite surface.
 

Sky_Boy

New User
Absolute bollocks, you were looking for the negatives, when you look for the negatives, you end up filtering out the positives. There were many occasions where Murray went deep and hard with inside out forehands, making Novak lunge, which then opened up the court for the easy winner.

Being aggressive isn't as black and white as smacking winners from no-where, there's a thing called point-construction, which you require a certain amount of aggression to succeed with.


he only did that when he had ample time on the ball.. i agree with the other poster that he wasn't as aggressive at wimbledom.. djoko tried to create opp from the baseline murray didn;t
 

tennisMVP

Banned
Murray doesn't turn defense into offense. Nadal and Djokovic do. Murray just plays defense and waits. Murray is a Michael Chang style of tennis. Nothing wrong with that, seeing as he's able to win slams with it.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
Murray doesn't turn defense into offense. Nadal and Djokovic do. Murray just plays defense and waits. Murray is a Michael Chang style of tennis. Nothing wrong with that, seeing as he's able to win slams with it.

Most top tier 5.5 players familiar with the tricky wind of Frushing from the east coast could have beaten Joker last night. Just getting the ball back and wait for Novak to grunt and moan, then miss. Easy money. Heck I could have probably beat him too. I'm used to the wind on those courts. I won a district singles final there myself. I coulda been USO Champion last night. We all could have been. What Murray did last night isn't that difficult for most of us. Thats why his celebration was so muted and awkward.

Look at Rosols Borg like victory photos: beating Rafa was so epic his celebration was real. Murray looked like his bike was just stolen and not winning a GS. Totally uneventful slam winning moment because the crowd knew he was pushing and Joker was injured with mono or something really really painful.
 

tennisMVP

Banned
Most top tier 5.5 players familiar with the tricky wind of Frushing from the east coast could have beaten Joker last night. Just getting the ball back and wait for Novak to grunt and moan, then miss. Easy money. Heck I could have probably beat him too. I'm used to the wind on those courts. I won a district singles final there myself. I coulda been USO Champion last night. We all could have been. What Murray did last night isn't that difficult for most of us. Thats why his celebration was so muted and awkward.

Look at Rosols Borg like victory photos: beating Rafa was so epic his celebration was real. Murray looked like his bike was just stolen and not winning a GS. Totally uneventful slam winning moment because the crowd knew he was pushing and Joker was injured with mono or something really really painful.

I'm not sure really.
 
I went to sleep after Djokovic got the thirs set, and I subconsciously woke up in a completely pitch black room and checked the phone which on the lock screen handily said 5-5 in the fifth (which obviously wasn't right) and then went back to sleep again. Weird thing is that it was 4 AM by then... I don't know if i was dreaming about being awake or dreaming while i was awake... However, when I finally did wake up and check the newssite whose headline read "FINALLY!" I just fistpumped. Congrats Andy, you finally got that monkey off your back.
 

tennisMVP

Banned
Djokovic only defended one of 3 slams this year (and the slam he won, was as close to losing as possible). That's quite a turnaround. And there is a good chance Murray will have a better 2012 than Djokovic. Murray now has a slam and a gold medal. The only way Djokovic can have a better year than Murray is if Djokovic wins the World Tour Finals. And if Nadal wins the World Tour Finals then both Nadal and Murray have had a better year than Djokovic.
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
Djokovic only defended one of 3 slams this year (and the slam he won, was as close to losing as possible). That's quite a turnaround. And there is a good chance Murray will have a better 2012 than Djokovic. Murray now has a slam and a gold medal. The only way Djokovic can have a better year than Murray is if Djokovic wins the World Tour Finals. And if Nadal wins the World Tour Finals then both Nadal and Murray have had a better year than Djokovic.

All to play for, which is nice at this stage of the season.
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
I've got no beef with Murray or his ****s no more.

Time to move on, no?

Yes, time to move on. Just checking @judmoo to make sure Judy Murray is not on UA110 out of NY to LHR.

7hrs20m and I will need a parachute. More than enough Murray for me already.

Seeing the trophy would be nice, but not worth the pain.
 

Stinkdyr

Professional
Congrats to Murray and to the omnisceint posters on this forum who called it his match from the start due to the windy conditions. You were right. And once Djoker's cramping became obvious in the 5th, it became obvious AM would win his first major.
 

Sky_Boy

New User
Murray doesn't like ending points quickly, even on his favorite surface.[/QUOTE]
and guess what.. he won.. there were many points in the 4th and 5th set after a long rally when djoko was at net and murray won the point... just proves that it's not easy to end off point even if u manage to get to the net.. much easier to sit back like murray and wait for an error..
 
Most top tier 5.5 players familiar with the tricky wind of Frushing from the east coast could have beaten Joker last night. Just getting the ball back and wait for Novak to grunt and moan, then miss. Easy money. Heck I could have probably beat him too. I'm used to the wind on those courts. I won a district singles final there myself. I coulda been USO Champion last night. We all could have been. What Murray did last night isn't that difficult for most of us. Thats why his celebration was so muted and awkward.

Look at Rosols Borg like victory photos: beating Rafa was so epic his celebration was real. Murray looked like his bike was just stolen and not winning a GS. Totally uneventful slam winning moment because the crowd knew he was pushing and Joker was injured with mono or something really really painful.

Dude no disrespect intended. I really don't think you or most 5.5's could have beaten Joker last night. Murrays level wasn't low per se, and Joker fought damn hard for that title. These guys are on a whole other level.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Darn.. when someone can hit 31 winners and make 56 unforced errors and still win the US Open it is an indication they played some seriously cautious tennis. How these guys played for long patches of the match could really be best described as cowards tennis - especially in the first two sets. It's pretty uncomplimentary but, really, when the main motivation is simply to wait for the other guy to miss you're never going to see epic tennis.

As a comparison: when Federer got beaten pretty comprehensively by Berdych he hit 50% more winners than Murray did in the final (and in a much shorter match). AND, he hit less errors so had a better winner to unforced error ratio.

It shows you how average this match really was in terms of quality of tennis... despite that it was highly entertaining. I just hope we don't see '****s hailing this as some epic encounter for any reason other than it was simply a long, see-saw of a match.
 

Hawkeye7

Professional
It's not all about statistics. Murray had been on court 17 hours before this match and Djokovic played the day before the final yesterday as well. Give these guys a break.
 

Stinkdyr

Professional
They need to shorten these men's matches. They become attrition marathons.
Play tiebreaks at 5-all. Make the 5th set a 10 pt tiebreak etc.
Use VASS scoring.
Once you saw Djoker cramping in the 5th, you knew it was all over.

Glad to see Murray win his first major.
 
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