jamesblakefan#1
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Just win baby
I am a huge Cowboys fan, and was only watching the Pats/Ravens game cause I had a lot of players in it. WOW. The Patriots often get the calls in most of their games, but not this one. The Refs extended two Raven drives multiple times with phantom defensive holding calls. Definitely got jobbed.
Though I hate that NFL refs are greedy buggers and shouldn't get paid nearly as much as they are asking for, something is going to have to be done about the horrendous calls if this game is any representation of what's going on throughout the league.
I do agree however that with the NFL rules that the last FG was barely good
Ok. I must admit this MNF game is one of the worst called games I've ever seen.
People forget how many calls the regular officials miss also. No replacement refs have made as big a blunder as Ed Hochuli did in that SD-Denver game
I actually went to bed around the 2 minute mark assuming the game was over so I didn't see that controversial hail mary.
Seeing it on that video, it doesn't look that bad. The push off could or could not have been called. Those PI calls are rarely called on hail marys. Tie goes to the receiver.
But, there were a lot of phantom PI calls in that game in general on both sides.
It wasn't a tie. Tate didn't get a hand on the ball until after Jennings came down with it... And even then he only got 1 hand on the ball while Jennings had it pinned against his chest.
Not sure how anyone could be that stupid...
Even one official called it a touchback while the other moron called it a touchdown...
I wasnt aware of the rule that says you have to have both arms on the ball to posees or catch it. The left arm of Tate is pretty close the catching it at the same time. In real time its hard to see where the left hand is but to me it appears that he is cupping it.
Jennings needs to knock it down and this aint an issue.
They both signaled TD then the other guy waved the arms to signafy time was over. I dont think that call is as bad as everybody makes it seem.
From the NFL rulebook Article 3, Item 5:
Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
The only way Seattle could have won that game is if Golden Tate caught or simultaneously caught the football. Putting aside Tate's blatant offensive pass interference seconds before—or the bogus pass interference call to get Seattle in the red zone, or the phantom roughing the passer call that negated a Green Bay interception before that—M.D. Jennings pretty clearly caught the ball and Tate tried to wedge his arms in there—attempting to subsequently gain joint control, you might say. So that was clearly not a Seattle reception, simultaneous or otherwise.
I wasnt aware of the rule that says you have to have both arms on the ball to posees or catch it. The left arm of Tate is pretty close the catching it at the same time. In real time its hard to see where the left hand is but to me it appears that he is cupping it.
Jennings needs to knock it down and this aint an issue.
They both signaled TD then the other guy waved the arms to signafy time was over. I dont think that call is as bad as everybody makes it seem.
You were saying?
That was NOT a tie though. GB guy had the ball firmly against his chest, Tate basically had one arm on it. One ref called an INT, the other called a TD. Just a joke.
Derrick Mason, former pro bowl WR here in nashville was on radio this morning and insisted the correct call was made by the refs so all the experts on their couches who want to rip the refs maybe wrong for once. He also said the announcers continual fanning the flames with every close call NEVER did that with the regular refs so it just appears these are missing more calls. He said older refs blew just as many calls and that ESPN and sports talk radio are blowing this out of proportion to rile up the fans so their tv and radio rating go up.
They made the correct call. One called a TD, the other a TB.
I actually went to bed around the 2 minute mark assuming the game was over so I didn't see that controversial hail mary.
Seeing it on that video, it doesn't look that bad. The push off could or could not have been called. Those PI calls are rarely called on hail marys. Tie goes to the receiver.
But, there were a lot of phantom PI calls in that game in general on both sides.
http://deadspin.com/5946115/this-was-not-a-simultaneous-catch
I know you have to be too cool for school as always, but comeon man, that was a god awful call.
DerrickMason called it correctly.
You guys who don't think so didn't play organized football.
I was a reciever for 3 years in high school. Anytime both the DB and the reciever landed with hands on the ball, the offense get's the call and the ball.
That is the rule, has been since 1964, when I started JV's in 10th grade.
Plays like that have happenned all thru the years, always favoring the offensive player.
DB should have wrestle the ball AWAY from the reciever, to get his interception.
DerrickMason called it correctly.
You guys who don't think so didn't play organized football.
I was a reciever for 3 years in high school. Anytime both the DB and the reciever landed with hands on the ball, the offense get's the call and the ball.
That is the rule, has been since 1964, when I started JV's in 10th grade.
Plays like that have happenned all thru the years, always favoring the offensive player.
DB should have wrestle the ball AWAY from the reciever, to get his interception.
I just found it odd how fast the media jumped all over that particular play, when there have been plenty in that game and others that were easily noticed to be terribly wrong. In real time the catch itself (after the blatant PI) was fast and bang bang. The fact that Tate had his hand on it the whole time while he was landing makes it too cloase to be so terrible of a call to get the atention that was warranted.
How would they (media) have reacted had it been rogers throwin the mary and a packer doing what tate did. It would have probably been a heads up great play by the WR for knowing that contact is never called and contrioling the ball with one hand to ensure the simultaneous possesion. The media poops on seattle miserbaly all the time, and they think Carroll is a weasel coach (which he sorta is) and dont want to give him any credit.
Good point, JBfan....
But is still don't believe they will ever inforce a rule that is counter to high school and college play, and nowadaze, lots of recievers regularly catch the ball with one hand, fending off the DB with the other hand. It's still a catch, one handed or two, and in that scrum, one hand was enough, regardless of the posted rule.
Orchard Park, NY (WGR 550) -- When the Buffalo Bills reached out to Mario Williams, courted him and signed him to the biggest contract in NFL history signed by a defensive player, they had to think they were getting a player that could finally help against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots.
It's only one game in to quite a long marriage, but both the organization and fans had to be woefully disappointed when Williams failed to discern himself as a factor on the field at Ralph Wilson Stadium on Sunday.
Why was he so inefficient? Why couldn't the Bills generate a solid pass rush from their highly-touted four-man front?
While the answers reside somewhere at One Bills Drive, it's particularly prudent to go back and see if the Patriots may have been doing something against Williams to make him such a non-factor.
What you're about to read will not only be a bit jarring, but also might make fans of the team a bit sick to their stomachs. Here is his performance against New England broken down in to numbers:
Time on Field: 89.6% snaps played, 69 total
Against the Pass:
Types of Pass Plays (35 total)
Dropback Passes - 29 plays
Quick Passes - 6 plays
Performance vs. Dropback Passes
Sacks - 0 (0% success rate)
QB Hurries - 2 (6.9% success rate)
Pancaked - 1
Pass Blocking Schemes Used Against
Times Double Teamed - 1
Times Chipped - 3
True 1-on-1 vs Dropback Passes - 86.2% (25 of 29)
Thoughts:
Williams was a non-factor against the pass despite facing only one double team throughout the entire game. He had 25 opportunities in a pure 1-on-1 setting, and had zero sacks and only two pressures. There wasn't a single time where the blocker on Williams should have been called for holding or illegal hands to the face. The right defensive end just failed to get close to Brady for the majority of the game, often times getting stonewalled by the offensive lineman.
Against the Run:
Runs Right/Left (34 total)
Right Side (towards Williams) - 32.4% (11 total)
Left Side (away from Williams) - 67.8% (23 total)
Performance vs. Run
Right Side (towards Williams) - 7.0 YPC, 77 yards, 0 touchdowns
Left Side (away from Williams) - 6.4 YPC, 146 yards, 3 touchdowns
Williams Stats - 2 tackles (1 TFL)
Run Blocking Schemes Used Against
Times Double Teamed - 0
Times Blocked by Tight End - 8
True 1-on-1 vs. Running Plays - 100%
Thoughts:
While the Patriots stayed away from Williams a majority of the time on the ground, the times that they did run at him they actually had a better rushing average than when they ran to the left. Williams didn't see a single double team against the run and managed to only have a minimal impact on that aspect of the game.
All of this information begs one question. How is he not more effective for the Bills with that many one-on-one opportunities, after having been a solid pass rusher for six years in Houston? It is only four games in, and that fact should be stressed. But those four games have yielded results that have been duplicated by many average players and surpassed by others. Simply put, he needs to be a lot better considering the contract he signed in the off-season.
Terribkle play by the ChArgers yestrday to allow a 4th and 29 conversion. They would have been right in the thick of the WC hunt.
About every NFC WC team lost yesterday, and the colts win gives them a good shot to get to playoffs in Lucks first year.
Chargers always find new ways to lose. Norv should've been fired years ago, and Rivers is regressing quickly.
I think Rivers needs a change of scenery. Tons of those little 3rd and 4 slant routes those guys just dropped in the 4th QTR and OT. You can tell Rivers is frustrated.
I think last week he was sacked with like 20 seconds left and just walked off the field, he didnt even try to run another play.
Maybe the Chargers owner is sticking with Norv so the team bottoms out and he can move them to LA.
San Diego has the easiest move. And no Lease on the stadium to break. I think the team has paid off the early 2000 renovations and can leave with no penalty.
Jacksonville never made sense when the made it an NFL city and it doesnt make sense now.
Those are the only two in my book that make sense. But with so much cash to be made somebopdy will move and the sooner the better for all parties related to NFL.
Chargers always find new ways to lose. Norv should've been fired years ago, and Rivers is regressing quickly.
Its pretty sad when the Phillies have won a game later than the eagles
Best and easiest move would be the Chargers BACK to L.A. Remember the Chargers were first the Los Angeles Chargers for the first few years of existence and fans in SAN (those that are left) could make the easy drive on Sundays up north.
Hard part is getting the L.A. Folks to really care and support the NFL full time with so many idiot owners.......Rams should never have left (NO WAY should the Rams be in St Louis nor the Colts in Indy - its still wrong) but a sucky greedy owner can cause a ton of damage -G Frontiere, Bud Adams, Irsay.....