Is Raonic out of his mind or he just expect too much from himself?

Paullaconte1 · Oct 5, 2012

Raonic had another funny interview when he said he didn't really serve well with Tipsarevic.

He did 24 aces in 16 games, won 87% of the points on his serve and Tipsarevic has never been close to break him (no break points for Tipsi).

Here Raonic funny interview.
http://www.tennistonic.com/view_ten...y-and-Raonic-to-clash-in-the-2012-Tokyo-semis

I have 4 theories:
1- He is out of his mind;
2- He can't read a game;
3- He expect too much from his serve and his tennis;
4- He is right and he should serve at least 3 aces per game (!!!!

????)

I am mixed up about this.

batz · Oct 5, 2012

Paullaconte1 said:
Raonic had another funny interview when he said he didn't really serve well with Tipsarevic.

He did 24 aces in 16 games, won 87% of the points on his serve and Tipsarevic has never been close to break him (no break points for Tipsi).

Here Raonic funny interview.
http://www.tennistonic.com/view_ten...y-and-Raonic-to-clash-in-the-2012-Tokyo-semis

I have 4 theories:
1- He is out of his mind;
2- He can't read a game;
3- He expect too much from his serve and his tennis;
4- He is right and he should serve at least 3 aces per game (!!!!????)

I am mixed up about this.

You sure mate? Didn't they play 34 games?

NadalAgassi · Oct 5, 2012

batz said:
You sure mate? Didn't they play 34 games?

16 service games and 2 tiebreaks of serving, so I guess it depends how you define it. Either way 24 aces is great in only a 3 set match. Raonic indeed is a bit crazy if he said he served bad.

Hawkeye7 · Oct 5, 2012

I was wondering the same thing.

batz · Oct 5, 2012

NadalAgassi said:
16 service games and 2 tiebreaks of serving, so I guess it depends how you define it. Either way 24 aces is great in only a 3 set match. Raonic indeed is a bit crazy if he said he served bad.

Fair point - he was only serving for 16 games. Doh!

What a muppet I am! Agree 100% - I saw the last 2 sets of his match and he looked like he was serving fine to me.

6-1 6-3 6-0 · Oct 5, 2012

I think Raonic is just accepting that he'll have a career just like Karlovic's, with occasional wins over top players but never cracking the top 10.

wy2sl0 · Oct 5, 2012

6-1 6-3 6-0 said:
I think Raonic is just accepting that he'll have a career just like Karlovic's, with occasional wins over top players but never cracking the top 10.

When he beat Murray on clay this year it was from his ground game mostly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfkZjcwJ8k

About 10 times better. Period.

Karlovic can't even hit a backhand. Get lost troll.

Russeljones · Oct 5, 2012

How many points played on own serve and TB? Judging aces/game is pointless.

RAFA2005RG · Oct 5, 2012

Raonic likes to talk, he is just a talker. A horrible slam player, a poor mover, an inconsistent ground game, very limited potential. A poor man's Berdych/Tsonga.

TheCanadian · Oct 5, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
Raonic likes to talk, he is just a talker. A horrible slam player, a poor mover, an inconsistent ground game, very limited potential. A poor man's Berdych/Tsonga.

Only on this forum can a player who's still in his early 20's and about to crack the top 10 be described as possessing "limited potential" by teenagers who can't even win a club championship.

RAFA2005RG · Oct 5, 2012

TheCanadian said:
Only on this forum can a player who's still in his early 20's and about to crack the top 10 be described as possessing "limited potential" by teenagers who can't even win a club championship.

The only reason why Raonic is ranked high early in his career is because his serve was a top class level from day one. He hasn't shown potential in any other aspect. Very average player outside of the serve. Where's the potential?

Devilito · Oct 5, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
The only reason why Raonic is ranked high early in his career is because his serve was a top class level from day one. He hasn't shown potential in any other aspect. Very average player outside of the serve. Where's the potential?

Best serve on tour, one of the best forehands that constantly improving, a very solid net game, a solid mental game, and a backhand and return game that's obviously improving from earlier in the year. His entire career is 1/2 year last year and this is his first full year played on tour and it's not even over yet. So at the end of the year you'll be looking at a top 10 player that's played an entire 18 months on tour. It’s very obvious you have limited understanding of the sport. I mean, how many slams should a player with 18 months on tour have won so far?

nethawkwenatchee · Oct 5, 2012

This guy has a great serve and everyone knows it. The truth is: he's trying to play the classic "I can win when I'm not playing my best" routine... a phsyc game to put mental pressure on future opponents. A guy like this wants as much media coverage about how good he is. The more positive reinforcment, the more "factor" he becomes in the mind of future opponents. This won't matter much with his next opponent (Andy), who has already figured out that all he has to do is exploit Milos reletive weak movement, serve and return well (which he's been doing consistnatly as of late)

PeteD · Oct 5, 2012

Milos beat Tipsy (who was rude as ever), but barely. He almost lost the final TB and only clutch serving saved him. He should have won the 1st set TB -- maybe that was the serving he was complaining about.

RAFA2005RG · Oct 5, 2012

Devilito said:
Best serve on tour, one of the best forehands that constantly improving, a very solid net game, a solid mental game, and a backhand and return game that's obviously improving from earlier in the year. His entire career is 1/2 year last year and this is his first full year played on tour and it's not even over yet. So at the end of the year you'll be looking at a top 10 player that's played an entire 18 months on tour. It’s very obvious you have limited understanding of the sport. I mean, how many slams should a player with 18 months on tour have won so far?

You said he had a solid mental game :lol: yet he chokes repeatedly in 3rd sets. You said he has ONE OF THE BEST FOREHANDS :lol: compared to whom? Does one of the best mean top 50? or top 5? Sure, a solid net game. That's the only thing I agree with. Oh, and "best serve on tour" is a very dicey thing to say. There are many with great serves. He's not doing to well at the slams for someone with the best serve on tour :lol:

norbac · Oct 5, 2012

Devilito said:
Best serve on tour, one of the best forehands that constantly improving, a very solid net game, a solid mental game, and a backhand and return game that's obviously improving from earlier in the year. His entire career is 1/2 year last year and this is his first full year played on tour and it's not even over yet. So at the end of the year you'll be looking at a top 10 player that's played an entire 18 months on tour. It’s very obvious you have limited understanding of the sport. I mean, how many slams should a player with 18 months on tour have won so far?

I don't think his FH is even top 10. Seen him net a lot of rally balls on that side that don't even make it halfway over the net.

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
Oh, and "best serve on tour" is a very dicey thing to say. There are many with great serves.

Indeed, we cannot have a legitimate discussion about best serve on the tour (or best anything on the tour for that matter) without including Rafa as a candidate.

Rafa must also be included as a candidate in any legitimate discussion about best underwear adverts. Rafa's left handed modeling poses cannot be defeated as they cross over to Beckham's weaker right hand poses.

RAFA2005RG · Oct 5, 2012

Gut Check said:
Indeed, we cannot have a legitimate discussion about best serve on the tour (or best anything on the tour for that matter) without including Rafa as a candidate.

Rafa must also be included as a candidate in any legitimate discussion about best underwear adverts. Rafa's left handed modeling poses cannot be defeated as they cross over to Beckham's weaker right hand poses.

You brought up Nadal. Not me. Your obsession is obvious, and it extends beyond tennis, oddly.

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
You brought up Nadal. Not me. Your obsession is obvious, and it extends beyond tennis, oddly.

Obvious obsession is obvious. Rafa FTW.

ruerooo · Oct 5, 2012

Sounds like he has high standards for himself. Most potential champions do.

(Are you guys going to stop arguing about Rafa in a thread that's not even about him? :shock: Have some cocoa. Have a drink.)

RogerRacket111 · Oct 5, 2012

He is serving quite good. But I would say relying too much on the serve will catch up to you when you have an off day. Look at Isner or even Andy in the past. It will only get you so far. The returners have gotten a lot better.

JLyon · Oct 5, 2012

PeteD said:
Milos beat Tipsy (who was rude as ever), but barely. He almost lost the final TB and only clutch serving saved him. He should have won the 1st set TB -- maybe that was the serving he was complaining about.

He lost the first TB because he missed 5 straight BH's badly. Now if he can shore up the backhand and make it a pro level shot then he can go far. He is young and improving for sure.

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

ruerooo said:
Sounds like he has high standards for himself. Most potential champions do.

:lol:

Raonic isn't a "potential champion". This is just him being full of crap. He also claimed that he isn't far from Federer, the way he's moving. :lol:

Rozroz · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
:lol:
He also claimed that he isn't far from Federer, the way he's moving. :lol:

??? did he actually say that? how arrogant! :twisted:

Clarky21 · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
:lol:

Raonic isn't a "potential champion". This is just him being full of crap. He also claimed that he isn't far from Federer, the way he's moving. :lol:

He is light years away from Fed,and if he thinks otherwise he's only fooling himself.

TheFifthSet · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
:lol:

Raonic isn't a "potential champion". This is just him being full of crap. He also claimed that he isn't far from Federer, the way he's moving. :lol:

Where lol?

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

http://www.tennis.com/players/2012/...houghts-from-milos-raonic/37204/#.UG9ZaFH8kyg

Can Raonic Move Well Enough to Win a Slam?

I’m a big guy, 6’5”. I don’t think my hip injury (a partially-torn labrum that required surgery last year after Wimbledon, which kept Raonic sidelined through the U.S. Open) has anything to do with how well I’m moving. I feel like I’m moving better now than last year. I feel like the way I’m moving now, I’m not that far off from Federer.

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
http://www.tennis.com/players/2012/...houghts-from-milos-raonic/37204/#.UG9ZaFH8kyg

Context, context, context. His comment was specifically in relation to his H2H matches with Federer, not his overall record, and the H2H scorelines were indeed very competitive i.e. "not far off".

Still, how the big points are played is a large part of what separates a champion from a pretender. Milos is still in the pretender category as far as challenging for a major now.

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

Gut Check said:
Context, context, context. His comment was specifically in relation to his H2H matches with Federer, not his overall record, and the H2H scorelines were indeed very competitive i.e. "not far off".

Oh shut up will you.

There is no context. Going by that logic, Falla isn't that far off from Federer either. :lol:

Also, what makes that comment doubly ridiculous is the fact that he said "the way I'm MOVING now, I'm not that far of from Federer"

There is no way that he will ever move as well as Federer even in his current state.

Evan77 · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
Oh shut up will you. There is no context. Going by that logic, Falla isn't that far off from Federer either. :lol:

Also, what makes that comment doubly ridiculous is the fact that he said "the way I'm MOVING now, I'm not that far of from Federer"

There is no way that he will ever move as well as Federer even in his current state.

yeah, that's how I read it too. Raonic and Federer shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence anywhere about anything. He is just being a fool comparing himself to Fed, especially in 'the movement' category.

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

Evan77 said:
yeah, that's how I read it too. Raonic and Federer shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence anywhere about anything. He is just being a fool comparing himself to Fed, especially in 'the movement' category.

Serve?

But then again, Federer doesn't deserve to be mentioned with him either. :lol:

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
Oh shut up will you.

No.

dangalak said:
There is no context. Going by that logic, Falla isn't that far off from Federer either. :lol:

There have been some times at Wimby when Federer probably wished Falla was a lot farther off.

dangalak said:
Also, what makes that comment doubly ridiculous is the fact that he said "the way I'm MOVING now, I'm not that far of from Federer"

Raonic quote context translator, custom dangalak version ON;

"the way I'm moving now, it's not so much of a hindrance to my overall game so that in the match scorelines I'm not that far of from Federer"

Raonic quote context translator, custom dangalak version OFF;

Clarky21 · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
http://www.tennis.com/players/2012/...houghts-from-milos-raonic/37204/#.UG9ZaFH8kyg

This is hilarious from Raonic. :lol: He will never ever move even an 1/8 as well as Fed does. His footwork is shoddy,and he moves like a cow. He needs a reality check,stat.

Evan77 · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
Serve?

But then again, Federer doesn't deserve to be mentioned with him either. :lol:

no, I'm not giving you 'serve' either. Fed's placement is superior.
lol at the second part of your post, good one :lol:

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

Clarky21 said:
This is hilarious from Raonic. :lol: He will never ever move even an 1/8 as well as Fed does. His footwork is shoddy,and he moves like a cow. He needs a reality check,stat.

Giraffe boy doesn't need to move. Wingspan covers entire court just standing in the middle. Coach Blanco is an idiot for not realizing this.

Evan77 · Oct 5, 2012

Gut Check said:
Giraffe boy doesn't need to move. Wingspan covers entire court just standing in the middle. Coach Blanco is an idiot for not realizing this.

this is brilliant, love it :lol::lol::lol:

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

Evan77 said:
no, I'm not giving you 'serve' either. Fed's placement is superior.

Good God in heaven.

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

Evan77 said:
no, I'm not giving you 'serve' either.

This super useful gif is totally saving my ass today.

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx

Service games won:

Raonic: 93%
Federer: 91%

1st serve points won:

Raonic: 83%
Federer: 78%

Aces:

Raonic: 858
Federer: 559

Keep in mind that Federer has played 14 matches more.

Aces per match:

Raonic: 15,6
Federer: 8,1

Raonic hits almost TWICE as many aces per match.

Now keep in mind that he is THIS superior, while having only a fraction of Federer's rallying ability. If the rest of his game was as good as Federer's, his serve would be even more superior.

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

But the placement...what about the frickin placement? Where's your stat for that? Huh?

dangalak said:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx

Service games won:

Raonic: 93%
Federer: 91%

1st serve points won:

Raonic: 83%
Federer: 78%

Aces:

Raonic: 858
Federer: 559

Keep in mind that Federer has played 14 matches more.

Aces per match:

Raonic: 15,6
Federer: 8,1

Raonic hits almost TWICE as many aces per match.

Now keep in mind that he is THIS superior, while having only a fraction of Federer's rallying ability. If the rest of his game was as good as Federer's, his serve would be even more superior.

Evan77 · Oct 5, 2012

alright, I lose, you 2 win - Raonic is a better server (this year). still not sure about prime Fed, it might be just my impression tho. I assume those stats are 2012 right?

Gut, like really, how do I give you stats for placement? you serious? if you give me stats for court coverage I'll give you stats for placement

. My point about placement is that your serve can be very effective without being a bomb every time.

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

Evan77 said:
if you give me stats for court coverage I'll give you stats for placement

What the hell? Have today's poasts taught you nothing? All you need to know about court coverage is right here;

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

Evan77 said:
alright, I lose, you 2 win - Raonic is a better server (this year). still not sure about prime Fed, it might be just my impression tho. I assume those stats are 2012 right?

Gut, like really, how do I give you stats for placement? you serious? if you give me stats for court coverage I'll give you stats for placement . My point about placement is that your serve can be very effective without being a bomb every time.

There are several guy who are better servers than Federer.

They are much worse PLAYERS than Federer though, which is why Federer can hold about as often.

Not to mention that Raonic places his serve just as well as Federer, only he serves it about 20 mph harder.

Evan77 · Oct 5, 2012

Gut Check said:
What the hell? Have today's poasts taught you nothing? All you need to know about court coverage is right here;

I was j/k, there is a smiley at the end of my sentence you quoted. I also admitted I was wrong and too casual in my original post when I said to Dang I wasn't giving him 'serve'.

cute pic about court coverage btw

Evan77 · Oct 5, 2012

dangalak said:
There are several guy who are better servers than Federer.

They are much worse PLAYERS than Federer though, which is why Federer can hold about as often.

Not to mention that Raonic places his serve just as well as Federer, only he serves it about 20 mph harder.

as I mentioned already, dang, I was just casual and kinda pissed with Milos claiming that he is 'close to Fed' ... I wasn't even thinking about their respective serves, percentages etc ... you guys took it seriously and you are right, no problem there.

Gut Check · Oct 5, 2012

Evan77 said:
as I mentioned already, dang, I was just casual and kinda pissed with Milos claiming that he is 'close to Fed' ... I wasn't even thinking about their respective serves, percentages etc ... you guys took it seriously and you are right, no problem there.

Well crap, if you want to actually talk seriously for a second, the overall service stats quoted above don't take into account the "quality" factor. I'm not going to take the time to verify with a hard analysis, but I'm fairly certain we'd find that the average ranking of the players Fed has played are a noticeable notch up the scale from Raonic's opponents. That's a factor of both Fed playing higher quality tournaments on average, and also going deeper in the draw on average. Those higher quality players make it more difficult for Fed to pad his stats on service effectiveness, and even ace counts (I'll hypothesize that better players on average read incoming serves better and get aced less).

I don't think any of the big 4 are afraid of Raonic's service game. They know that to be the best they have to absorb the best of what the field has to throw at them. That being said, you can't tell me that anyone is really happy going in there against the Raonic service game. Even with limited (but improving) tools to back up his delivery, he's already better than Karlovic ever was, and I remember all the talk from the top players about how awkward it was to play Karlovic before he started slipping in recent years.

The number of matches when opponents have really started to get a hold on Raonic's service have been very few and far between. Muzza got on top of it at USO and all credit to him, but the majority of Raonic service games for the foreseeable future are going to be mostly on his racket in terms of the outcome.

Rozroz · Oct 5, 2012

Gut Check said:
Well crap, if you want to actually talk seriously for a second, the overall service stats quoted above don't take into account the "quality" factor. I'm not going to take the time to verify with a hard analysis, but I'm fairly certain we'd find that the average ranking of the players Fed has played are a noticeable notch up the scale from Raonic's opponents. That's a factor of both Fed playing higher quality tournaments on average, and also going deeper in the draw on average. Those higher quality players make it more difficult for Fed to pad his stats on service effectiveness, and even ace counts (I'll hypothesize that better players on average read incoming serves better and get aced less).

I don't think any of the big 4 are afraid of Raonic's service game. They know that to be the best they have to absorb the best of what the field has to throw at them. That being said, you can't tell me that anyone is really happy going in there against the Raonic service game. Even with limited (but improving) tools to back up his delivery, he's already better than Karlovic ever was, and I remember all the talk from the top players about how awkward it was to play Karlovic before he started slipping in recent years.

The number of matches when opponents have really started to get a hold on Raonic's service have been very few and far between. Muzza got on top of it at USO and all credit to him, but the majority of Raonic service games for the foreseeable future are going to be mostly on his racket in terms of the outcome.

good one! i'll drink to that

dangalak · Oct 5, 2012

Gut Check said:
Well crap, if you want to actually talk seriously for a second, the overall service stats quoted above don't take into account the "quality" factor. I'm not going to take the time to verify with a hard analysis, but I'm fairly certain we'd find that the average ranking of the players Fed has played are a noticeable notch up the scale from Raonic's opponents. That's a factor of both Fed playing higher quality tournaments on average, and also going deeper in the draw on average. Those higher quality players make it more difficult for Fed to pad his stats on service effectiveness, and even ace counts (I'll hypothesize that better players on average read incoming serves better and get aced less).

I don't think any of the big 4 are afraid of Raonic's service game. They know that to be the best they have to absorb the best of what the field has to throw at them. That being said, you can't tell me that anyone is really happy going in there against the Raonic service game. Even with limited (but improving) tools to back up his delivery, he's already better than Karlovic ever was, and I remember all the talk from the top players about how awkward it was to play Karlovic before he started slipping in recent years.

The number of matches when opponents have really started to get a hold on Raonic's service have been very few and far between. Muzza got on top of it at USO and all credit to him, but the majority of Raonic service games for the foreseeable future are going to be mostly on his racket in terms of the outcome.

Regardless of the "opposition", Raonic's serve is still vastly superior to Federer's

Big_Dangerous · Oct 5, 2012

wy2sl0 said:
When he beat Murray on clay this year it was from his ground game mostly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfkZjcwJ8k

About 10 times better. Period.

Karlovic can't even hit a backhand. Get lost troll.

I think that might be the first post 6-1 has made that didn't have one single mention of Nadal in it... Wow, I am blown away.

forzamilan90 · Oct 5, 2012

I think Raonic's legit. Serve is the best on tour imo, but he's got power game on the baseline too. The matches he played against Federer he impressed me, displayed lots of power and good ground game and movement wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be. He'll be a top 10 player for sure.

Is Raonic out of his mind or he just expect too much from himself?

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