Tsonga says the refs always favor the Big4 in tough line calls

TennisLovaLova · Oct 9, 2012

Tsonga says the ref cheated him vs Djokovic and that he is always cheated each time he faces a top 4 player

http://translate.google.com/transla...a-en-veut-encore-a-l-arbitrage/318346&act=url

"But I'm used to these decisions when I play against a member of the Big 4. I know that every time there is a difficult decision, it will be taken against me. It is a story of power, and this is how the world works. Sometimes it is not easy to accept. And anger rises very quickly ... "

Rozroz · Oct 9, 2012

is there any truth in his claims ?!?
this is unacceptable!

The Bawss · Oct 9, 2012

Someone forgot to have their beauty sleep.

UKTennis · Oct 9, 2012

Extremely bitter. Very much how the football managers here in the UK moan about decisions going for the 'big teams.' It's a meek excuse.

Crisstti · Oct 9, 2012

I didn't see the match. Is there anything at all to what he says?. I suspect not, going by his whining after the Miami match against Rafa a while ago.

I've certainly seen many times calls go for the big teams in football, but I don't think that's at all the case in tennis.
Much less with hawk eye in use...
He seems to be looking for excuses for his results.

Rozroz · Oct 9, 2012

line call is one thing,
but what about top 4 getting away with up to 10 seconds until challenge while the rest get 2-3 sec ?

this actually happened in one of the recent matches.

batz · Oct 9, 2012

I like Jo - but he also once blamed a defeat on the ballboys being too slow!

After that, I would take any complaints about his perceived victimhood with a healthy pinch of salt.

merlinpinpin · Oct 9, 2012

Crisstti said:
I didn't see the match. Is there anything at all to what he says?

First serve from Djokovic in the tiebreak. Called out, Tsonga touched it, but clearly unreturnable. Djokovic challenged, got it right, and the umpire awarded him an ace. Very subjective at this point, obvously. Could have gone either way.

Or rather, Tsonga's take on it is that it *couldn't* have gone either way...

Laurie · Oct 9, 2012

I saw the incident on Sunday, it was live on Supertennis channel. I didn't watch the whole match beacuse I had to go out but watched up to early in the 2nd set.

I did record the match so can check it again when I get home but if I remember Djokovic hit a serve that was called out which Tsonga returned into the net (backhand side) but was overuled after a challenge. I must admit I was expecting a 1st serve to be called and so did Djokovic because I'm sure he got two balls to serve again but the Umpire gave the point to Djokovic which is when Tsonga protested. He didn't overdo it with the Umpire just made his point very stridently.

You could argue the Umpire was in his rights to award the point to Djokovic but it appreared to me both parties were expecting a first serve / replay the point.

I will have to watch it again to see if I recall events correctly.

Lemoned · Oct 9, 2012

I understand losing to the same players in the later stage over and over again must be extremely frustrating but he seems to play this type of card too often for my liking.

Does he also remember those wrong calls in the opening set that all went against Novak and almost cost him the set in their Rome match this year?

Plus, Lahyani could be the strictest umpire when it comes to the hawkeye system with a late challenge or a situation like this.

Laurie said:
I will have to watch it again to see if I recall events correctly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G029OsdyeYY#t=3780s

Carsomyr · Oct 9, 2012

He already said something to this affect about Nadal after their Miami encounter.

Sour grapes then, sour grapes now. This is becoming a disturbing pattern for Tsonga. The Top 4 don't win their matches against other players in the upper echelon on the basis of a few line calls. If Tsonga has a problem with this, there's only one solution: get better.

SoBad · Oct 9, 2012

He's just angry that he can't lose weight.

Tammo · Oct 9, 2012

Jo has lost to Djokovic in the olympics, FO, 1 Master and now a final of a 500, that could be what's under his skin

The Bawss · Oct 9, 2012

Well, Mohamed Lahyani is a pretty bad umpire so this isn't surprising coming from him.

But Tsonga should stop whining, he gets owned by the top 4 and he should take the defeats like a man.

Bartelby · Oct 9, 2012

Its entirely plausible that umpires are more unintentionally indulgent with the top players.

This is basically what everyone has argued with respect to Nadal and Djoko's time wasting between points.

SoBad · Oct 9, 2012

The Bawss said:
Well, Mohamed Lahyani is a pretty bad umpire so this isn't surprising coming from him.

But Tsonga should stop whining, he gets owned by the top 4 and he should take the defeats like a man.

Yeah, but Tsonga is still fat and Lahyani is still a badge.

Bartelby · Oct 9, 2012

I thought Tsonga looked big on tv but in person he is extremely slender, or at least he was the last time I saw him.

SStrikerR · Oct 9, 2012

There have been studies that have proven that the so called "home team advantage" when it comes to refs is actually true. If you don't think that the big four get favorable calls, you're either a fool or in denial.

BHud · Oct 9, 2012

Absolutely...with success comes privileges/favoritism others don't get. You don't think the calls went Michael Jordan's way most of the time when the game was on the line? How about Tiger? You don't think he was given a bit more leniency compared to others - at least before the fall

TennisLovaLova · Oct 9, 2012

The Bawss said:
Well, Mohamed Lahyani is a pretty bad umpire so this isn't surprising coming from him.

IMO he's in the top 4 with Lars Graf, Ramos and Bernardes

BHud said:
Absolutely...with success comes privileges/favoritism others don't get. You don't think the calls went Michael Jordan's way most of the time when the game was on the line?

Actually no
(are you referring to the Bryon Russel alleged push in the 98 finals?)
Anyway, if MJ fwas favored by refs in the 90's just imagine in the current era...

RF20Lennon · Oct 9, 2012

No wonder he hasn't won a slam!!!! :shock:

The Bawss · Oct 9, 2012

TennisLovaLova said:
IMO he's in the top 4 with Lars Graf, Ramos and Bernardes

Graf, Bernardes and even Pascal Maria would have picked up on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ofNg0y8w60

Mainad · Oct 9, 2012

It's a disgrace and an outrage! :twisted:

Seriously, is he claiming that Hawkeye is biased in favour of the Big 4 too? :wink:

The Bawss · Oct 9, 2012

Mainad said:
It's a disgrace and an outrage! :twisted:

Seriously, is he claiming that Hawkeye is biased in favour of the Big 4 too? :wink:

No, he is claiming the "out!" call distracted him and prevented him from hitting a superb return winner. Which he was clearly going to do.

SoBad · Oct 9, 2012

Bartelby said:
I thought Tsonga looked big on tv but in person he is extremely slender, or at least he was the last time I saw him.

Compared to Ms. Vavrinec, Tsonga indeed is a slender boy.

TennisLovaLova · Oct 9, 2012

The Bawss said:
No, he is claiming the "out!" call distracted him and prevented him from hitting a superb return winner. Which he was clearly going to do.

that's clearly where he acts like a capricious little girl I agree
it was unreturnable

Djokodal Fan · Oct 9, 2012

I saw it live. The serve was definitely not returnable from his back hand. I think By the time he touched the ball, the wrong call also came at almost the same time.

Well to blame this on top 4 is totally uncalled for. Get better Tsonga if you want to beat them. Not cry on a line call which you would have not returned anyway.

I have seen even Nadal on the receiving end of such calls, so it happens to every one.

Shangri La · Oct 9, 2012

This is nothing new in the sports world. Tsonga needs to stop whining.

TennisLovaLova · Oct 9, 2012

Maybe it was returnable!
Ball hits the frame, bounces on the umpite chair, goes through the window, hits a bird, goes back through the window, hits the net post and fells in djoko's side
( a la mj/bird mcdonalds commercials)

Crisstti · Oct 9, 2012

Carsomyr said:
He already said something to this affect about Nadal after their Miami encounter.

Sour grapes then, sour grapes now. This is becoming a disturbing pattern for Tsonga. The Top 4 don't win their matches against other players in the upper echelon on the basis of a few line calls. If Tsonga has a problem with this, there's only one solution: get better.

Yeah. Seeing the video it's clear it wasn't returnable. He got as much of the ball as he could have gotten and the call was when he was hitting the ball.... this along with what he said after his match against Rafa in Miami - where an obviously injured Nadal still beat him - show how much this is just sour grapes... a little pathetic actually.

SStrikerR said:
There have been studies that have proven that the so called "home team advantage" when it comes to refs is actually true. If you don't think that the big four get favorable calls, you're either a fool or in denial.

Those studies would prove nothing in this case. The element there would the pressure from the public on the referee.
I can remember a very similar call against Nadal, only that in that case it wasn't an unreturnable ball, so he had a much better case. Still, the call went against him.

Djokodal Fan · Oct 9, 2012

TennisLovaLova said:
Maybe it was returnable!
Ball hits the frame, bounces on the umpite chair, goes through the window, hits a bird, goes back through the window, hits the net post and fells in djoko's side
( a la mj/bird mcdonalds commercials)

If there was a like Button, I would have liked your post. Funny

dangalak · Oct 9, 2012

UKTennis said:
Extremely bitter. Very much how the football managers here in the UK moan about decisions going for the 'big teams.' It's a meek excuse.

No it's not. It's actually common sense that there is more pressure on the umpires when it comes to important players. Why do you think Rafa almost never gets called out for his time violations, while a guy like Cilic gets downright ROBBED of a set because of it? (got a time violation as he was about to serve a second serve against Federer on breakpoint, DFs and Federer serves the set out next game)

It's hilarious how predictable some of the posters here are. :lol: I think you are projecting your own pettiness on Tsonga. If Tsonga is so bitter, how come he didn't whine after he lost to Djokovic in Rome, FO and Olympics? It's almost like, he is saying these things because he genuinely has a reason to believe this.

Meanwhile, here you are, being the brave soul that you are and defend the guy who has achieved more in his career, because that is what courageous posters do.

dangalak · Oct 9, 2012

Shangri La said:
This is nothing new in the sports world. Tsonga needs to stop whining.

If you actually read his comments, you would realize that he never whined in the first place. "I got used to this" is an expression of apathy.

Djokodal Fan said:
I saw it live. The serve was definitely not returnable from his back hand. I think By the time he touched the ball, the wrong call also came at almost the same time.

Well to blame this on top 4 is totally uncalled for. Get better Tsonga if you want to beat them. Not cry on a line call which you would have not returned anyway.

I have seen even Nadal on the receiving end of such calls, so it happens to every one.

Yes because clearly Tsonga implied that given fair umpiring, he would crush all 4 of them and that ONLY bad calls are to blame for his losses.

Russeljones · Oct 9, 2012

TennisLovaLova said:
"And anger rises very quickly ... "

You can just picture Tsonga going over the net and punching someone's lights out. Scary quote!

Laurie · Oct 10, 2012

Lemoned said:
I understand losing to the same players in the later stage over and over again must be extremely frustrating but he seems to play this type of card too often for my liking.

Does he also remember those wrong calls in the opening set that all went against Novak and almost cost him the set in their Rome match this year?

Plus, Lahyani could be the strictest umpire when it comes to the hawkeye system with a late challenge or a situation like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G029OsdyeYY#t=3780s

Thanks for that.

I like Tsonga but I think the Umpire made the right decision despite the commentators' remarks.

No1e · Oct 10, 2012

Long story short: Tsonga is a cry baby.

Crisstti · Oct 10, 2012

dangalak said:
No it's not. It's actually common sense that there is more pressure on the umpires when it comes to important players. Why do you think Rafa almost never gets called out for his time violations, while a guy like Cilic gets downright ROBBED of a set because of it? (got a time violation as he was about to serve a second serve against Federer on breakpoint, DFs and Federer serves the set out next game)

It's hilarious how predictable some of the posters here are. :lol: I think you are projecting your own pettiness on Tsonga. If Tsonga is so bitter, how come he didn't whine after he lost to Djokovic in Rome, FO and Olympics? It's almost like, he is saying these things because he genuinely has a reason to believe this.

Lol, how did he get robbed?. He double faulted.

BTW, I'm sure Cilic also almost never gets called out for time violations.

Except we can actually see what he's complaining about, and he has no reason.

dangalak said:
If you actually read his comments, you would realize that he never whined in the first place. "I got used to this" is an expression of apathy.

And still, he whined.

RAFA2005RG · Oct 10, 2012

The 2 most idiotic people of 2012:
Yannick Noah.
Jo-whatever Tsonga.

Must be something in the frog legs.

Hankenstein · Oct 10, 2012

The Bawss said:
Well, Mohamed Lahyani is a pretty bad umpire so this isn't surprising coming from him.

Oh, thats why he´s one of the most popular refs among the touring pro´s then!?

What, in your oppinion, makes him a bad umpire?

woodrow1029 · Oct 10, 2012

The issue wasn't whether the serve was returnable or not. The issue was that Lahyani ruled that the call came after Tsonga hit it. Tsonga said it came at exactly the same time. It's a tough call, but when it's that close, I think the benefit of the doubt should go to the receiver (Tsonga). But, the sound is slightly off of the video, so it's really hard to tell, and if the umpire feels that the call came after the hit, then it's not a "replay the point" situation.

I don't think Djokovic would have argued the call if he called a let.

The Bawss · Oct 10, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
The 2 most idiotic people of 2012:
Yannick Noah.
Jo-whatever Tsonga.

Must be something in the frog legs.

TennisLovaLova · Oct 10, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
The 2 most idiotic people of 2012:
Yannick Noah.
Jo-whatever Tsonga.

Must be something in the frog legs.

Noah: only in 2012?
He's a world class troll, timeless style

dangalak · Oct 10, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
The 2 most idiotic people of 2012:
Yannick Noah.
Jo-whatever Tsonga.

Must be something in the frog legs.

Noah has more intelligence in his pinky than you have in your entire body.

Noah's claims can easily be substantiated. But let me guess, you don't know anything about that. You only care that he implicated the country your god is from. So he must be evil.

Never mind the fact that Spain has frequently been involved in doping scandals and nevermind that the authorities have interfered several times with the investigation. HE ACCUSED RAFA OF DOPING. (he didn't) How dare he imply that athletes could take PEDs even though they have everything to win and the anti doping measures are ridiculously wanting in preventing it.

dangalak · Oct 10, 2012

PROTIP: if somebody uses ad hominems to prove their point, ignore them immediately. (yes, that may even include me

)

RAFA2005RG · Oct 10, 2012

dangalak said:
PROTIP: if somebody uses ad hominems to prove their point, ignore them immediately. (yes, that may even include me )

Done. Welcome to my ignore list. Oh, and next time (for the benefit of others), provide links to back up your claims. Otherwise you come off as someone extremely new to the internet, and that means nobody will take you seriously.

dangalak · Oct 10, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
Done. Welcome to my ignore list. Oh, and next time (for the benefit of others), provide links to back up your claims. Otherwise you come off as someone extremely new to the internet, and that means nobody will take you seriously.

tennis has a steroid problem

Type this into google.

Besides I thought it was well known that Spanish police intervened in that one case of that doped runner and that they aren't very open with their information. If they disclosed their info, many dopers in the world would get busted.

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