Did Federer tank to preserve the H2H vs Djokovic???

-RF- · Oct 13, 2012

He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

Prisoner of Birth · Oct 13, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

cc0509 · Oct 13, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

NO, come on don't be silly. Why wouldn't he want to preserve his h2h against Murray? Murray is now one of his biggest rivals as well even though Murray had never defeated Federer in a slam. I think in some ways Murray is a tougher match-up for Federer than Djokovic is.

Federer was full of errors today and Murray played better. Fed fans better start to accept it because I think Murray is going to beat him a lot in the future. Fed is old for tennis already guys.

Lovely_Bone · Oct 13, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

Why preserve against Novak? Murray now leads their h2h like 9-6 lol

BauerAlmeida · Oct 13, 2012

It would make sense if it was against someone who he is leading the H2H like 9-2. But he would have tied the H2H with Murray if he won.

batz · Oct 13, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

ledwix · Oct 13, 2012

What...you think that's how players think? What he was thinking about was winning Shanghai and having a chance to finish #1. Do you really think it's all a big scheme? lmao

cc0509 · Oct 13, 2012

ledwix said:
What...you think that's how players think? What he was thinking about was winning Shanghai and having a chance to finish #1. Do you really think it's all a big scheme? lmao

Some people have too much time on their hands. Murray defeated Federer fair and square and it is not a shock at all since, a) their h2h has always been close and b) Federer has really declined and is very inconsistent. You never know which version of Federer is going to show up on any given day. Murray is in his prime and is confident now. That is life.

oy vey · Oct 13, 2012

-RF- said:
Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)
.

Yesterday he was dying of the flu and today he is running like a rabbit. Faker and cheater.

Homeboy Hotel · Oct 13, 2012

cc0509 · Oct 13, 2012

oy vey said:
Yesterday he was dying of the flu and today he is running like a rabbit. Faker and cheater.

That is part of the sport. Certainly he is not going to take a match against Stepanek as seriously as a match against Federer. They ALL play mind games with each other. Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray all do it.

Rozroz · Oct 13, 2012

oy vey said:
Yesterday he was dying of the flu and today he is running like a rabbit. Faker and cheater.

i must agree. this was so childish.

90's Clay · Oct 13, 2012

No.. Fed just cannot beat the Scotsman in a best of 3 format

ctoth666 · Oct 13, 2012

Hmm well I don't know that there was any tanking going on, but it sure is strange to watch the most accomplished player of all time put in erratic performances against his rivals. Same thing really against Berdy last month. Which begs the questions: how do we define Federer's decline? He's not quite what he used to be, but I can't quite put my finger on what's gone wrong for him. It's at the point where in these bigger matches, I either expect him to play brilliantly and dominate or fear that he will get embarrassed. I know what Djokovic and Murray are going to bring to the table, but I have no idea what Federer's going to bring. Sometimes I literally feel like he could get double-bageled. In particular he seems very edgy and unnerved when he plays Murray or Djokovic, which is a bit odd.

Prisoner of Birth · Oct 13, 2012

ctoth666 said:
Hmm well I don't know that there was any tanking going on, but it sure is strange to watch the most accomplished player of all time put in erratic performances against his rivals. Same thing really against Berdy last month. Which begs the questions: how do we define Federer's decline? He's not quite what he used to be, but I can't quite put my finger on what's gone wrong for him. It's at the point where in these bigger matches, I either expect him to play brilliantly and dominate or fear that he will get embarrassed. I know what Djokovic and Murray are going to bring to the table, but I have no idea what Federer's going to bring. Sometimes I literally feel like he could get double-bageled. In particular he seems very edgy and unnerved when he plays Murray or Djokovic, which is a bit odd.

His movement. His biggest problem of late is that he's either not being able to runaround a backhand to get to a forehand or he's not recovering quickly enough from the runaround.

Mainad · Oct 13, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

How can it be when losing to Djokovic in the final would make the H2H 16-13. So it would still be positive for Federer, wouldn't it?

-RF- said:
I think it is.

I think you're a silly troll and should go away immediately.

RF20Lennon · Oct 13, 2012

Homeboy Hotel said:

This perfectly describes my reaction!!

RF20Lennon · Oct 13, 2012

90's Clay said:
No.. Fed just cannot beat the Scotsman in a best of 3 format

I wonder what happened in dubai this year! or the WTF in 2009 and 2010

veroniquem · Oct 13, 2012

I don't think he tanked exactly but he's keeping his best reserves for the indoor finale most likely because that's where his chances are the highest.

Zarfot Z · Oct 13, 2012

No. There is nothing embarrassing about having a negative H2H against rivals 6 years younger than yourself.

PCXL-Fan · Oct 13, 2012

ctoth666 said:
Hmm well I don't know that there was any tanking going on, but it sure is strange to watch the most accomplished player of all time put in erratic performances against his rivals. Same thing really against Berdy last month. Which begs the questions: how do we define Federer's decline? He's not quite what he used to be, but I can't quite put my finger on what's gone wrong for him. It's at the point where in these bigger matches, I either expect him to play brilliantly and dominate or fear that he will get embarrassed. I know what Djokovic and Murray are going to bring to the table, but I have no idea what Federer's going to bring. Sometimes I literally feel like he could get double-bageled. In particular he seems very edgy and unnerved when he plays Murray or Djokovic, which is a bit odd.

I totally agree. Its a very curious situation. Its as curious a situation as it was when Sampras started acting erratic in his performances/results in his late 20s and 30s. I'm not gonna say it outright but i think gamesmanship was as much a part of 90s and early 2000s tennis as it is now.

Its also very suspicious that Hewitt can put in just that little extra effort in some Grandslams and it shows in his results vs the top 4 players where they often require 4 tough fought sets to beat Hewitt. Why can't he consistently require 4 tough sets to be beaten by top players? Why is it not all the time? Very suspicious and I suspect something illegal is going on.

We are geniuses.

Tony48 · Oct 13, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

3fees · Oct 13, 2012

No, Federer has lost his touch with serves otherwise Murray would be going to practice for the barclays finale.

merlinpinpin · Oct 14, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

It's about as plausible as saying he felt generous and didn't want to bagel Djokovic again so soon after Cincinatti, I guess... :roll:

zagor · Oct 14, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

No LOLville, he didn't.

Sentinel · Oct 14, 2012

-RF- said:
He currently leads 16-12, and with the form Djokovic is in he probably would have lost. Preserving the H2H against Novak is vital as he cant't have a negative H2H against two of his biggest rivals! Yeahhh he has a negative H2H against Murray, but that doesn't really count because Murray cheats his way to victory every time (and no1 likes him)

So this argument plausible?

I think it is.

No, Lolville.

pvaudio · Oct 14, 2012

Only on this forum do people care about the head-head numbers.Of course he didn't tank, Murray has beaten Federer quite a few times on hard courts.

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