What would be the Outcome of Stefan Kozlov vs Serena Williams

El Nino

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As Stefan is one of the top juniors in the world for his age group. He's already gotten far in a Futures tournament. He's beaten some top U18 players in the US. Hes not a power player his finesse is every effective. So how would he fear against (an inform or not)Serena Williams?
 

floridatennisdude

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I doubt it would be that close.

A fit Serena could take games off a top junior/futures player. Seeing as she is one of the strongest female players in the world, her power would be on par with what he sees at his level. I'm sure he'd win, but it wouldn't be bagels and sticks. She's pretty darn good, when she's in fit form.
 

ga tennis

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A fit Serena could take games off a top junior/futures player. Seeing as she is one of the strongest female players in the world, her power would be on par with what he sees at his level. I'm sure he'd win, but it wouldn't be bagels and sticks. She's pretty darn good, when she's in fit form.

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tacoben

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My girl served as a ball kid at Stanford this past summer for the WTA Bank of the West tournament. There were a few top WTA players warming up with some of the Stanford Men's players. I could tell that one of the guys was having a bit of a hard time maintaining rallies. What more with Serena, who I observe spanking the fuzz out of the balls during practice. She was out hitting her hitting partner who is a tall guy. With all due respect, I honestly don't think that Kozlow (I've heard of this kid but I've not seen him play) could win in a match against her, especially right now at his age....maybe a couple of years down the road.
 
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ga tennis

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My girl served as a ball kid at Stanford this past summer for the WTA Bank of the West tournament. There were a few top WTA players warming up with some of the Stanford Men's players. I could tell that one of the guys was having a bit of a hard time maintaining rallies. What more with Serena, who I observe spanking the fuzz out of the balls during practice. She was out hitting her hitting partner who is a tall guy. With all due respect, I honestly don't think that Kozlow (I've heard of this kid but I've not seen him play) could win in a match against her, especially right now at his age....maybe a couple of years later.

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MarTennis

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Correct...

My girl served as a ball kid at Stanford this past summer for the WTA Bank of the West tournament. There were a few top WTA players warming up with some of the Stanford Men's players. I could tell that one of the guys was having a bit of a hard time maintaining rallies. What more with Serena, who I observe spanking the fuzz out of the balls during practice. She was out hitting her hitting partner who is a tall guy. With all due respect, I honestly don't think that Kozlow (I've heard of this kid but I've not seen him play) could win in a match against her, especially right now at his age....maybe a couple of years down the road.

I love Kozlov but he would not be able to hang with Serena quite yet. Soon enough because he is going to be a MAN. Frankly, silly topic. More "how can we compare an athletic black woman to a man?"
 
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klu375

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Didn't he hit 3 times with Fed during US Open? I assume that he could stay in a rally with Fed if he asked for him again. And you think that he cannot stay in a rally with Serena? With Serena is all about the serve. I am sure Kozlov can handle 125mph serves and Serena will not be able to attack his serve. So outcome should be pretty obvious.
 
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rptennis

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Kozlov has wins over men in the top 700 in the world. Do you really think Serena can beat any man in the top 700 in the world.

WOW

If this boy beat top 700 ATP players, he can play with Serena and if he is on, he could beat her

Who did he beat that was ranked 700?
 

tacoben

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Serena would have no chance against Kozlov.Deiton would also have no trouble beating Serena in a match. Im sure if they play baseline games to ten Serena and other WTA pros would have a chance but in a match Serena could not beat either Stefan or Deiton.

We have the makings of a new Billie Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs match here...Serena who is still at the top of her game vs. an up an coming junior in Kozlov. Your assesment is pure fantasy. My money is on Serena!
 

El Nino

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I think kozlov would win if he's facing 2012 Serena, but if it's 2002-2004 Serena then Im not sure if Kozlov would win Easily.
 
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ga tennis

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Thats a little over the top GA. Kozlov has a history since age 12 of beating older and higher ranked players. Year after year after year he does that.

DB has a history of beating lower ranked guys and always loses vs favorites. Peliwo toyed with him said coaching32years who saw the match. So lets not even put them in the same sentence right now. DB obviously has not learned how to play the game yet in huge matches, despite his physical tools. Serena would handle him easily, as would Kozlov. Serena and Kozlov are both at a higher level of tennis.

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Thats fine. I am talking about knowing how to win a big match.

On paper with his 130 mph serve and 4.6 forty time, etc, DB should own Peliwo, Kozlov, and Serena. Yet he does not. Like lots of guys with greater physical tools should be ranked high.....yet Ferrer is up their instead.

Some players win big matches, some can not.

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andfor

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Thats fine. I am talking about knowing how to win a big match.

On paper with his 130 mph serve and 4.6 forty time, etc, DB should own Peliwo, Kozlov, and Serena. Yet he does not. Like lots of guys with greater physical tools should be ranked high.....yet Ferrer is up their instead.

Some players win big matches, some can not.

There will never be such a thing as a "big match" in the high randed ITF boy vs. top WTA women hypothetical dream match. Regardless, he still beats her.

Anyone who has a ATP ranking of 700-800 has won multiple matches to get those 15-23 points they have associated with that ranking. So let's be real, those guys can play. The ranking was not handed to them with a WC or two. The #700-800 man and Kozlov spank Serena. No disrepect to Serena. Do we have to go back to the Karsten Braash smoking a cigarette match with the sisters, again?

Your digs a Brad are funny. Just like your DII prediction for DB. Ha Ha
 

klu375

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I think you and I have finally found something we can agree on. Its starts young. I have seen so many little boys and their dads joke about girl's tennis....then the girls spank them in a practice match.

Same with the WTA. Guys think because they hit harder, and run faster they can beat all the WTA players.

The top WTAs train vs top men to hone their reaction times. They simply deflect the pace of the groundstrokes and serves as needed.

Serena would absorb the power and place the balls where she wanted to. She would have these bigger, stronger, harder hitters running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Kozlov does not rely on power - he would make her move. He would not only beat her but would embarrass her.
 

ga tennis

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I think you and I have finally found something we can agree on. Its starts young. I have seen so many little boys and their dads joke about girl's tennis....then the girls spank them in a practice match.

Same with the WTA. Guys think because they hit harder, and run faster they can beat all the WTA players.

The top WTAs train vs top men to hone their reaction times. They simply deflect the pace of the groundstrokes and serves as needed.

Serena would absorb the power and place the balls where she wanted to. She would have these bigger, stronger, harder hitters running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

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klu375

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Ha, the fragile male ego cracks me up. Serena would make him look like a child.

Hm. You make me doubt your coaching qualifications. Maybe I should retract my recommendation for AD to receive some coaching from you.
 
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klu375

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Chill out.....I coach a ton of girls, I have a tennis playing girl.....I live a mile from Serena....so I am stacking the deck in looking for reasons she would win.

And trying to get a rise out of the sensitive ego guys here as it makes me laugh.

I do not have a sensitive ego but I do have a tennis playing girl too who practices with boys. So I have an idea how it all stacks up. Here we are talking about unique talents obviously but I just cannot see what Serena can do to hurt him.
 

ga tennis

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Goodness, lots of nonsense here.

Wrong. He would not beat her. We won't convince each other to change our minds.

Karsten Braash was talented enough to reach #36 in the world. A guy with that talent could gain 15 pounds, smoke a pack a day and still school an 800th ranked player. Of course he beat a 16 year old Serena.

You are so wrong about the levels of tennis. A top 40 player is light years away from a 800 player.

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Ga...that mental thing is the light years away. And perhaps the way their tennis brains process the game.

In tennis you can not talk one match or even one match up. tennis history is full of low ranked players taking a set off a high ranked player. Tennis is about a large body of work.

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I thought it was a rolling points rankings, so can they really 'collect points'? Not an expert on how pro rankings work.

There are various types of 800s and 40s. A guy who peaks at 800, vs a guy who goes up and down based on his confidence, etc.

I just saying Kozlov could beat a guy who peaked at 800 and that was his ceiling. But a guy good enough to stay in the top 40 would embarrass him.

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I love Kozlov but he would not be able to hang with Serena quite yet. Soon enough because he is going to be a MAN. Frankly, silly topic. More "how can we compare an athletic black woman to a man?"

... Maybe you would like it better if it was Serena vs. Francis Tiafoe?
 

andfor

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Goodness, lots of nonsense here.

Wrong. He would not beat her. We won't convince each other to change our minds.

Karsten Braash was talented enough to reach #36 in the world. A guy with that talent could gain 15 pounds, smoke a pack a day and still school an 800th ranked player. Of course he beat a 16 year old Serena.

You are so wrong about the levels of tennis. A top 40 player is light years away from a 800 player.

Take the Karsten Braash reference out and you're still wrong. Regardin the Braash reference John McEnroe once said there are hundreds of men unranked and random college players around the world that could beat the top female player every time. kozlov easily fits that bill. Of course since you dislike anything McEnroe I'm sure you'll dismiss that due to your vast knowledge and experience over Jonny Mac.
 

floridatennisdude

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But direct me to the threads comparing other women to men, BJK exception.

Ok, take the racial agenda out and flip it to Azarenka or Stosur. Unless its insulting to compare a teenage boy to a Belarusian or Aussie...I think those are safe.

It's not Serena's race that makes the comparison interesting. It's that she is physically gifted and has incredible skill. More so than any other player on tour over the last decade+. The fact that she happens to have dark skin is irrelevant.
 

Soianka

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What does being black have to do with this???? Since we are talking race i do see alot of really talented African American girls doing big things in tennis. I think in the next 10 years we will see a few of these girls doing very well on tour. I know in GA we have a couple 10 year old African American girls that are going to be AMAZING one day if they stick with it..


Yes, it seems most of the up and coming American girls are AA. I think that's a testament to the HUGE effect V and S have had on women's tennis.

In the next decade or so, we might see quite a few black women in the WTA from America and abroad - Heather Watson included.

BTW, I think I know a couple of the 10 year olds you are talking about. One with the initials CH and one with the first name that starts with an M?
 
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MarTennis

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I contend, it is her race...

Ok, take the racial agenda out and flip it to Azarenka or Stosur. Unless its insulting to compare a teenage boy to a Belarusian or Aussie...I think those are safe.

It's not Serena's race that makes the comparison interesting. It's that she is physically gifted and has incredible skill. More so than any other player on tour over the last decade+. The fact that she happens to have dark skin is irrelevant.

...I'm a tennis nut or jerk however you wanna look at it. Nevertheless, I read all our meandering posts from everywhere about our game. No comparisons of ATP or men players to any other women but Venus and Serena. No I can't reach into the collective minds of my tennis brethren or all the no nothing tennis observers, but I have said my peace on what I have observed for over a decade.
 

Soianka

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...I'm a tennis nut or jerk however you wanna look at it. Nevertheless, I read all our meandering posts from everywhere about our game. No comparisons of ATP or men players to any other women but Venus and Serena. No I can't reach into the collective minds of my tennis brethren or all the no nothing tennis observers, but I have said my peace on what I have observed for over a decade.

I agree with you.
 

rgwarren

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I have seen Kozlov play at a tournament and seen him train 2 or 3 times. Serena will beat him. Now when he wil be 18 or 19, he will kill her. Right now at 14 Serena will take him.
 
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