You saw Rog vs. Ferrer? It was horrible. He's been subpar basically since that Olympics SF versus Delpo, with the exception of some matches, like his Cincy final and his first match here. Shanghai was terrible, Basel was meh, and the US Open was his worst one since 2003. He's not bad for a 31 year old, but he's not as good as say Basel 2011-Wimbledon 2012 period. I think Murray on the other hand's doing real well. The shanghai semi, for me is what I expect to see if the two meet. Especially on very slow courts, with Roger's serve not working well.