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Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)
2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31
2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31
I think Federer cannot beat Djokovic, Murray or Nadal (if he comes back ever). Those days of beating them are in the past.
For Federer to win a tournament, someone will have to beat these three guys.
You mean in the past, as in 2 days ago???!!!
That was a one off. Have you forgotten how badly Murray beat Federer at Olympics or just a few weeks ago?
I think Federer cannot beat Djokovic, Murray or Nadal (if he comes back ever). Those days of beating them are in the past.
For Federer to win a tournament, someone will have to beat these three guys.
Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)
2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31
What you see though is that Fed is not necessarily better than Murray or Djokovic in their matches against each other, but he IS way better in winning the matches he should win. He doesn't lose to Kohlschreiber (FO 09), Cilic (USO09), Rosol (W12) or Wawrinka (USO10) in a Slam. He just doesnt. Not even talking about losing to clowns like Verdasco, Young, Bogomolov, Chardy or Querrey.
To say that he is way better winning matches he should win compared to the others is just a bit of an overstatement.
Not saying he isn't good. In 2012, Djokovic lost to 2 players outside the top 10. Federer lost to 3 players outside the top 10 in 2012. Obviously Federer has had a great career and has gotten to at least the Semi's of the Majors a record number of times. But If you are comparing current Roger to Current top 4 making that he is way better doesn't hold water.
Yes, how impressive of Federer to lose the majority of his matches against them.
I wouldn't say impressive. And I didn't offer any commentary. Although, post-prime, it is not bad. Impressive that Federer is able to play an entire year at 30/31, unlike crippled Nadal.
Obviously, Nadal has the best record of the big 4 against the big 4, so it is remarkable that he obviously loses to so many lesser ranked players. This is evidenced by him not being able to have one season with a winning percentage above 90%. Quite tragic really.
I wouldn't say impressive. And I didn't offer any commentary. Although, post-prime, it is not bad. Impressive that Federer is able to play an entire year at 30/31, unlike crippled Nadal.
Obviously, Nadal has the best record of the big 4 against the big 4, so it is remarkable that he obviously loses to so many lesser ranked players. This is evidenced by him not being able to have one season with a winning percentage above 90%. Quite tragic really.
That was a one off. Have you forgotten how badly Murray beat Federer at Olympics or just a few weeks ago?
That was a one off. Have you forgotten how badly Murray beat Federer at Olympics or just a few weeks ago?
Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)
2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31
No. Wimbledon 2012.I think Federer cannot beat Djokovic, Murray or Nadal (if he comes back ever). Those days of beating them are in the past.
For Federer to win a tournament, someone will have to beat these three guys.
Yes, how impressive of Federer to lose the majority of his matches against them.
An impressive Agassi run perhaps?It is impressive considering Fed is 6 years older to them and still be able to be world no 2
Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)
2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31
This is exactly why I don't think Federer is the GOAT.
I realize a lot of that is Nadal
but it's not like Federer has decisively owned Djokovic since his emergence...
...and Murray used to own Federer until the supposed crippled Federer started to even it out over the past 3 years.
Yes, how impressive of Federer to lose the majority of his matches against them.
This is exactly why I don't think Federer is the GOAT. I realize a lot of that is Nadal, but it's not like Federer has decisively owned Djokovic since his emergence, and Murray used to own Federer until the supposed crippled Federer started to even it out over the past 3 years.
It is impressive considering Fed is 6 years older to them and still be able to be world no 2
What are these numbers minus Nadal?
What are these numbers minus Nadal?
What are the records of the other 3 members of the Big 4?
Nadal is 33-22, Nole, 31-31, Murray 22-25 and Federer 21-31.
Other interesting statistics since 2008:
Nadal won 8 slams, 12 master 1000, 6 other tournament, including one olympics, for a total of 27 victories.
Nole won 5 slams, 11 master 1000, 2 masters, and 8 other tournaments for a total of 26 victories.
Murray won 1 slam, 8 master 1000, 11 other tournaments including one olympics for a total of 21 victories.
Federer won 5 slams, 7 master 1000, 2 masters ans 8 other tournaments for a total of 22 victories.
Yes, I would say the old man has held his own in the last five years. Really thought Nadal would have won a lot more than 8 slams in 5 years.
really? I think 8 slams is a lot, I didn't expect that at the beginning of 2008, not even after 2008. I think nadal did quiet good. It's not like he's over now and it was obvious he will never be the hardcourt threat djokovic or federer is/was
Nadal is 33-22, Nole, 31-31, Murray 22-25 and Federer 21-31.
Other interesting statistics since 2008:
Nadal won 8 slams, 12 master 1000, 6 other tournament, including one olympics, for a total of 27 victories.
Nole won 5 slams, 11 master 1000, 2 masters, and 8 other tournaments for a total of 26 victories.
Murray won 1 slam, 8 master 1000, 11 other tournaments including one olympics for a total of 21 victories.
Federer won 5 slams, 7 master 1000, 2 masters ans 8 other tournaments for a total of 22 victories.
Thanks.
Interesting to se Rafa 'out in front' as it were. That said, a lot of that will be down to his ownage of Murray on the H2H.
He's 10-4 against Fed since 2008. Now if this was since 2009, we'd talk different.
Btw, what's the HC h2h's?[/QUOTE]
I'd needto check mate but I think Murray is close to Nadal on hards from 2008 - might even be ahead.
Just checked - Murray is 5-4 on hards v Rafa since 2008
take out 2008, that year he was losing to top 20
And to be fair, there wasn't really a Big 4 until around USO time - IIRC Murray was ranked outside the top 20 at one point in the first half of 2008.