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Is mark draper related to scott draper?
Yep, Mark is the older brother
Is mark draper related to scott draper?
. This kids shot tolerance is thru the roof!
For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks
For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks
As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.
Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.
Shot tolerance is the ability to deal with a level of ball, has nothing to do with patience.
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at what rank in the ATP are you making significant money?
As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.
Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.
[ GTR ];7019405 said:
I've only heard "shot tolerance" used in the way WildVolley is using it: patience, ability to keep a rally going, number of shots. A google search turns up many examples of pros using the term this way.
I haven't found any examples of people using it J011yroger's way.
Problem with using adjective to define something precisely.
He has "nice" shots. What does that mean.
Same thing applies to "shot tolerance".
People try to monopolize adjectives to mean one thing when there is no need to. Add the proper context and it becomes clearer (but not perfectly clear).
Tolerance can mean the ability to generate a stroke that is reliable and effective. Hence, the discussion of hitting a ball with more net clearance would lead to higher tolerance compared to hitting one, equally effective, but crosses the net lower. This is shot production.
Tolerance can also mean the boundary where a player's stroke goes from exhibiting a gradual failure curve to a more abrupt drop in effectiveness when the ball they have to face gets tougher. The dimensions of "tough" can be anything. Some but not all listed below
1: pace
2: spin
3: height
4: location deep/shallow, wide,etc..
5: repetition
6: variety or change up
7: pressure situation versus
If you can picture a multi-dimensional graph and plot the dependent measure "effective", which is another multi-dimensional measure, you will see where the player will suddenly drop in effectiveness.
Of course, you can say it as "point of failure" or "point of rapid decrease in effective". In calculus you would say that the point where the derivative suddenly increased negatively is the boundary.
I use it the way WildVolley describes it, but I really like Jolly's version, it makes perfect sense.
I often see 'pretty players' who just can't handle heavy hitters and 'ugly players' that can.
and the term fits.
impressive player at just 15. really cannot predict future from this but good luck to him.Is it me, or does he have an odd service motion? (but certainly works for him!)
There's sort of a delay/pause of his racquet-head right before he gets into the trophy position (and a very very brief one too!). Overall, a very snappy service motion.
It's kind of part of the same whole, isn't it? Pace and spin can break down strokes. Could shot tolerance be described as the ability and willingness of a player to hang in a hard hitting rally, hitting big, aggressive shots but being smart about placement and not going for winners until the right ball presents itself?
impressive player at just 15. really cannot predict future from this but good luck to him.
his serve is not that odd. he has the habit of right arm extension as he tosses which is not a problem. as he gets stronger his arm will relax more and be able to generate more spin and control. good serving form IMO.
Here is what breaks it out and makes wildvolley more correct. If you can't handle
the pace/spin of the shots, the error is forced and bears little on shot tolerance.
Shot tolerance deals with UEs and how many shots you will normally be able to
tolerate in a rally before you will go for a winner or make a UE in the effort.
What level of shot you can handle deals more with your level of play and how
good you are, but with shot tolerance, you could have a number that is the
same as Fed's, but still be a 4.0 player. If either player rarely will hit more than
5 balls before going for broke, then they have a shot tolerance of 5...no matter
if it's pro level shots or avg 4.0 shots.
Neutral enough to give you more information.Hmm, I wonder how neutral a party you are...
Neutral enough to give you more information.
Also he has only played one International Tournament. He has only played 6 ITF tournaments in his life, he has won 1 singles, 2 doubles and reached the semi-finals of the last 4 or better.
The past 3 months he has changed a lot. Used to be hot headed and now seems to be calming down finding his inner peace on court. Prior to that his shot tolerance was crap but has improved tremendously. He used to pull the trigger very early. Since he has been with Mark he is learning patience and it is paying off. He plays matches better than he trains as he loves to compete.
A couple of weeks ago he won an Open Mens Tournament beating a former US College player with a protected AR Ranking of 19 and in the previous round beat another highly ranked Australian player name Isaac Frost AR 41.
He is 3 in the country for his age 1997, he is also #1 for age groups 1997,96,95 and 94 in the State of Queensland and I am sure if he had more exposure to the International circuit he would be number 1 in the country.
I got my driver's license on Feb. 15, 1965........and bought a 250 Yamaha 5 days later.