He's just about hanging on. Only 2 of the wins are important though.
He's just about hanging on. Only 2 of the wins are important though.
He's just about hanging on. Only 2 of the wins are important though.
Those are brilliant stats, though. Even if he loses tomorrow he's at 50% of matches won against the whole younger generation of top players aged 24-26 while he himself is 31.
I wanna see Murray or Nadal have a 50 % record against the next great 25-year olds when they hit 30+. Well, Nadal won't be playing obviously, but Murray.
2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Dubai F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-5, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2012 Rome SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-2, 7-6)
2012 French Open SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-5, 6-3)
2012 Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2012 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
2012 London Olympics F: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
2012 Cincinnati F: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-0, 7-6)
2012 Shanghai SF: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2012 World Tour Finals SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-6, 6-2)
So Fed is 6-5 this year against the other top 4 members. But notably 0-2 on clay.
Well it's hardly noteworthy he's 0-2 on clay. He's only beat Nadal twice in 14 attempts even in his prime,
Did anyone else beat Nadal twice on clay? Ever?
He's only lost 6 or so matches on clay in his career since he became a regular on the tour.
(I did look up all his clay losses one time, but don't feel like doing it now)
.500 isnt bad, but Serena Williams was something like 8-0 vs the so called (lol) top 2 women in the World. She truly is one a kind. No women or man in history has been that dominant over her main competition at that age.
Her competition is much weaker though. Federer is up against 2 all time greats in their own right (I expect Djokovic to bag around 9 majors or so) and an extremely talented player in Andy Murray (who honestly probably should have the career of someone like Boris Becker, just unlucky that he is playing against such monsters).
Although I cant stand her Sharapova will probably end up with about 7 majors and be regarded as an all time great, on par or above Venus and Henin due to her career Slam. Azarenka will probably end up with 5 or 6 and be regarded a borderline all time great atleast. Not neccessarily far behind Djokovic's eventual standing in the mens games, and likely well above Murray's when all are said and done.
Even evaluating all as currently are Sharapova has won 4 majors and has the Career Slam, Djokovic has won 5 and doesnt have the Career Slam. Azarenka is a slam winner and year end #1, and was within a whisker of her 2nd slam in the same year. Murray is a slam winner who has never reached #1. I dont see the edge, unless you consider Nadal who apart from the early slow hard court season was an irrelevance to Federer this year (they didnt play on clay, then Nadal was AWOL the remainder). Anyway if you believe most of this forum Nadal is washed up off of clay (possibly true when he hasnt won a non clay title since 2010 now) and Federer is probably washed up on clay, so they barely co exist anymore.
Like I said Nadal and Federer practically dont co exist anymore. Nadal seems washed up outside of clay, not even having a tournament on a non clay event since 2010 now (soon to be 3 years). Federer was never a threat to Nadal on clay, and is even less of one now. This year they played twice early on the year on slow hard courts, each winning one, never again after March, and Nadal did not play any tennis after June, so he can barely even really be counted as Federer's competition this year. Either way overall Serena 2012 >>>>>>> Nadal 2012 (even ignoring the fact Serena produced that at 31), and Djokovic, Murray, Azarenka, Sharapova, Federer in 2012 all > Nadal in 2012 as well. Sharapova and Azarenka are who Serena predominantly faced, Djokovic and Murray who Federer predominantly faced, and at this point Sharapova is on a level with Djokovic, and Azarenka on one with Murray, if you are comparing their careers and places amongst their gender in history.
If Sharapova ends up with 7 or 8 slams (probably a good guess) and Djokovic ends up with 8 or 9 (probably a good guess) their places in history per their genders will be about the same, especialy if Djokovic never gets the Career Slam which Maria managed. Azarenka probably has an even better chance to win 4 slams or more than Murray does.
Serena btw was ranked #14 before her last 2 slam wins, Olympic Gold, and WTA Championship, all at 31. Looking at the list of names I would already be certain she is atleast risen to #10 now if they redid the list. Serena's career is likely only going to keep getting better and Nadal's has probably already virtually ended. It is likely Serena will not be behind Nadal on any list in a year or twos times, and I am just as big or bigger a Nadal fan as I am a Serena fan but that is reality. Also regardless of the Tennis Channel list many by the U.S Open were starting to talk about Serena as the best female player in history, something that nobody says or ever will say about Nadal when it comes to the men.
Goat worthy at 31Rafa: 1-1
Nole: 2-2
Murray: 3-2
Not bad I'd say
Goat worthy at 31
Again not a Sharapova fan but lets not delude yourself into thinking she only won slams since someone had to. She denied a peak Justine Henin (who this forum seems to think is some god) 2 slams at the 2006 U.S Open and 2008 Australian Open. She arguably played a large role in ruining Henin's career and legacy to an extent as it left Henin with the stigma of a 1-3 slam finals year at her peak, and with only 1 year as the clear and undisputed #1 (2007, as 2003, 2004, and 2006 all now have question marks, whereas 2006 would be clear had she won that U.S Open final over Sharapova), while the 2008 Australian Open beatdown was part of the start of her loss of confidence, poor string of early 2008 results and subsequent retirement. Meanwhile for all the years of humiliation now at the hand of Serena beatdowns, she even denied Serena the 2004 Wimbledon title and 2004 WTA Championship title. The only major title you can maybe say she won since someone had to was the 2012 French, but then again she could have just not won it and allowed another Schiavone or Na to, but she didnt and instead won a slam on her worst surface (never easy for a non GOAT caliber player regardless your competition) to complete her Career Slam. So as much as I cant stand Sharapova one must give credit where credit is due. She is clearly much more than some random default Champion.
One would have to dispute your notion Serena is the only World class player out there. Sharapova won 3 of her current 4 games from 2004-2008 when Venus, Henin, Serena, Mauresmo, Davenport, Clijsters were all mostly at a given time around and going strong. She proved herself a World class player a long time ago. Azarenka as well is a World class player, if the field she is ranked #1 (and yes I know Serena is hands down the real #1 and isnt ranked there since she doesnt play enough to cater to the WTA ranking system but that is aside the point of Azarenka being a worthy World class contender) over lacks depth it isnt her fault. The mens is the same as the womens now anyway, 3 or 4 really strong, and nothing after that, no difference.
Wow, Federer sure is hanging on.
I never said he was "barely" hanging on. He isn't dominating anymore, so it's incredible that he's still ranked that high this late in his career.Yeah I'd call being world #2 "barely hanging on".
Like I said Nadal and Federer practically dont co exist anymore. Nadal seems washed up outside of clay, not even having a tournament on a non clay event since 2010 now (soon to be 3 years). Federer was never a threat to Nadal on clay, and is even less of one now. This year they played twice early on the year on slow hard courts, each winning one, never again after March, and Nadal did not play any tennis after June, so he can barely even really be counted as Federer's competition this year. Either way overall Serena 2012 >>>>>>> Nadal 2012 (even ignoring the fact Serena produced that at 31), and Djokovic, Murray, Azarenka, Sharapova, Federer in 2012 all > Nadal in 2012 as well. Sharapova and Azarenka are who Serena predominantly faced, Djokovic and Murray who Federer predominantly faced, and at this point Sharapova is on a level with Djokovic, and Azarenka on one with Murray, if you are comparing their careers and places amongst their gender in history.
If Sharapova ends up with 7 or 8 slams (probably a good guess) and Djokovic ends up with 8 or 9 (probably a good guess) their places in history per their genders will be about the same, especialy if Djokovic never gets the Career Slam which Maria managed. Azarenka probably has an even better chance to win 4 slams or more than Murray does.
Serena btw was ranked #14 before her last 2 slam wins, Olympic Gold, and WTA Championship, all at 31. Looking at the list of names I would already be certain she is atleast risen to #10 now if they redid the list. Serena's career is likely only going to keep getting better and Nadal's has probably already virtually ended. It is likely Serena will not be behind Nadal on any list in a year or twos times, and I am just as big or bigger a Nadal fan as I am a Serena fan but that is reality. Also regardless of the Tennis Channel list many by the U.S Open were starting to talk about Serena as the best female player in history, something that nobody says or ever will say about Nadal when it comes to the men.
*******'s real problem right NOW is Djokovic and DelPo/Berdych if they get hot.
Please see 2012 Cincy Final. ******* can take out Djoker. It can go either way. It's a coin flip right now.
Delpo is more of a challenge, I think, for *******.
Please see 2012 Cincy Final. ******* can take out Djoker. It can go either way. It's a coin flip right now.
Delpo is more of a challenge, I think, for *******.
Please see 2012 Cincy Final. ******* can take out Djoker. It can go either way. It's a coin flip right now.
Delpo is more of a challenge, I think, for *******.
Please see 2012 Cincy Final. ******* can take out Djoker. It can go either way. It's a coin flip right now.
Delpo is more of a challenge, I think, for *******.