http://www.usta.com/Youth-Tennis/Ju...ange_bowl_international_tennis_championships/
Just thought it should have its own thread.
Just thought it should have its own thread.
http://www.usta.com/Youth-Tennis/Ju...ange_bowl_international_tennis_championships/
Just thought it should have its own thread.
shut up idiot, she just turned pro but that would be to hard for you to actually check, although I am sure you're just trying to a clown but you failed.Townsend is too fat to turn pro. so she is playing orange bowl. good thing, Oranges are not fattening.
Townsend is too fat to turn pro. so she is playing orange bowl. good thing, Oranges are not fattening.
Talked with Tay she is a real sweet girl and does not need the insults if she was a Bi#ch or something like TCF then let it fly I would help you !
Could he be an exception? Sure, just like you could win the next powerball.
Glad Deiton got into the 3rd round. Beat two guys in the top 200. Looks like only one other American got through that far. Still steadily improving. Couple of years ago he was only in the top couple of hundred in California. He's still a long way off from the top, but he's got two years to be at the top of the juniors and possibly a couple years after that before he completely fills into his body. Maybe he'll top out soon like TCF says, but I don't see anything yet to show that. Right now, the road is still going upward.
................Couple of years ago he was only in the top couple of hundred in California. He's still a long way off from the top, but he's got two years to be at the top of the juniors and possibly a couple years after that before he completely fills into his body. Maybe he'll top out soon like TCF says, but I don't see anything yet to show that. Right now, the road is still going upward.
If you are still playing juniors at almost 19 years old you are no where near the top of them.
Consistency is key to success which we have not seen by any measure. How about a single tournament win in the last several years. How many have there been in the last 24 months? Any? Each section has kids that win a single good match or two and ride the "legend status" from that right into mediocrity. A match here or there means nothing, play enough and any decent player has those. The ones winning event after event are the ones to watch.
No he is saying the dad says he has "2 more years to play the Herr and OB". That would mean he would be almost 19 and still be playing them. He turns 17 in a few months.
The poster was saying if he is still playing jrs at age 19 these days it would mean he will not be a successful pro.
Got it, I would think it would pretty much be highest level juniors, and Futures from here on out. It's really interesting to see what a journeyman or lower ranked pro can do to a top flight junior. At the Tiburon challenger qualies, Mc Donald, Altamirano, no match.
Mackie lost to Greg Jones atp 373 in both Tib and Sac challengers quals, Sac was 4-6 in 3rd. He's also has two futures wins in doubs. He's 0 for 8 reaching main draw in futures quallies. He's showing promise at 17, getting great experience and will be getting ranking points soon.
Alta lost to Thatcher in Tib, was deep in almost every game, but inexperience won out. Also Thatcher (23) is on the upswing regularly winning rounds in futures lately. Alta is 16, 17 in a few days, and is 2 for 4 reaching reaching main draw in futures quallies. Very few guys without atp points are going to beat him these days. Also showing promise and will be getting ranked soon.
Pretty much all the international guys who are going pro route are long gone by 17 these days. The guys left in the 18s OB and Herr are college level players except for about 2 of them who may have some pro potential.
Thats not what I said. Did not say they were ranked, did not say they even made the right decision to leave juniors.
What I said, and coaching32years said, is that the last few years the international guys 14-18 have left the juniors and are playing futures. Thats why the OB field is not what it was 10 years ago.
I do not know the answer to that. All I know is I read Zoo Tennis daily. Its seems like once a week I read things like, "15 year old Bob from Russia went to the finals of the Popo Futures" and "16 year old Frank from Norway just won the top pro ITF ".
Coaching32years can give more answers on this one than I can.
Specifically talking Orange Bowl 18s. Back in the day the top 10 seeds would correspond to the top 10 ITF. Now the 3rd seed is like 20th ITF. So obviously the top 10 ITF guys are playing elsewhere.
I think TCFs claim that many top boys juniors leave ITF jr competition age 14-16 and start on the pro tour that young age, playing Futures/Challengers, is not correct. There are very few of them, and usually they mix it up with futures and Junior tournaments....so they have junior ranking as well.
However, for girls it is more like that, some of the best jump to the pro tour early and leave ITF juniors completely at age 16. Still most of them mix it up and at least play jr GS, but not all.
Girls mature earlier and I think there also are rules on max pro tournaments for certain ages that strengthens this difference.
8 of the top 10 ITF ranked boys are NOT playing the Orange Bowl. The 2 best 18 year old Americans are playing pro and NOT playing the Orange Bowl. The best players from our section never play USTA tournaments. ITF and Futures only. These are the facts. It is the new reality.
dont forget its on clay
Way to go Deit!!! Another good win today!!!
No he is saying the dad says he has "2 more years to play the Herr and OB". That would mean he would be almost 19 and still be playing them. He turns 17 in a few months.
The poster was saying if he is still playing jrs at age 19 these days it would mean he will not be a successful pro.
A very nice win, but there will always be some excuse as to what this kid can or can't do from the naysayers. Kudos to him for putting in the work necessary to get to this level, and hopefully there will be more success to come.
Considering the other kid (Coric) has done training sessions with Goran Ivanisevic I'd say this is a hell of an accomplishment.
dont forget its on clay
Interesting of that list only Courier and Roddick won at the OB. Not sure about the others but believe Agassi, Connors and Ashe played there and lost. Add others such as Becker, Graf, Henin, Seles, Wilander who lost at OB and managed to have pretty successful pro careers. (Note some of these OB loses may have been jrs - haven't been able to find a site with historical draws. It'd be neat to see....)J Mac, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Connors, Roddick, Ashe, and Sampras all grew up playing on hard courts and the rest of the world was playing on clay.
ditto. I see the last time he played this kid (Kwiatkowski) he lost 1, 0.Good luck to Deit today!!! It would be nice to see him win singles and doubles!!!
His improvement is very predictable and on the level of all the guys who play at better D-1 programs. To play guys outside the top 10 ITF, those are all college level players.
We know his ceiling because he is an old junior. That means he has had his growth spurt, played solely tennis for 10 plus years, and is approaching 17. So a scout at IMG or other agencies can tell you about where he will peak. They apply the criteria and know which guys are leveling off. His improvement from now on will gradually grind to a halt, just like with 99.9999999% of the players they have scouted the past 25 years.
Could he be an exception? Sure, just like you could win the next powerball.
Pretty much all the international guys who are going pro route are long gone by 17 these days. The guys left in the 18s OB and Herr are college level players except for about 2 of them who may have some pro potential.
Nope, not good......because his coach has let us down. He promised that he had the plan to turn a guy into the next Nadal. He told us he would show the weak American coaches how to make a Nadal. He was given a player 6'4" and totally dedicated to tennis since age 5.
Nadal was a pro by 15 and we are given an almost 17 year old who can not win the OB or the Herr, let alone be a top 100 pro like Nadal was?
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