I don't think it was ball heaviness at all. Ferrer is just afraid of Nadal. If it is so heavy then why doesn't Novak have any problem with it ?
I don't think it was ball heaviness at all. Ferrer is just afraid of Nadal. If it is so heavy then why doesn't Novak have any problem with it ?
I would say yes. A pro who has played on the tour against about everyone would be a better source of opinion though.
Here is the gem you want to look for to really see how hard Nadal hits. Try and look out for a match in which he plays a lower ranked guy who has never played him before. I saw one a couple years back in either IW or the USO.
Anyway, the entire first set was just the guy trying to adjust to the ball. After that, he played better (still got crushed), but it was really interesting to see. He clearly had never seen a ball like that.
I would say yes. A pro who has played on the tour against about everyone would be a better source of opinion though.
Here is the gem you want to look for to really see how hard Nadal hits. Try and look out for a match in which he plays a lower ranked guy who has never played him before. I saw one a couple years back in either IW or the USO.
Anyway, the entire first set was just the guy trying to adjust to the ball. After that, he played better (still got crushed), but it was really interesting to see. He clearly had never seen a ball like that.
I don't think it was ball heaviness at all. Ferrer is just afraid of Nadal. If it is so heavy then why doesn't Novak have any problem with it ?
Stupid thread title aside, I doubt Nadal hits the most topspin of anyone right now on his forehand, let alone combining his forehand and topspin backhand to get an average of the heaviness of his groundstrokes.
There simply isn't enough data on all of the players on the tour. So far I have seen RPM data only on Djokovic, Federer, Murray and Nadal. And that's only forehands.
Congrats, that's a sample size of... 4? And people extrapolate that to say Nadal hits the most topspin of all time. The top 4 aren't everyone. Other players besides the top-4, specifically the clay specialists may hit more RPM's on their forehands, in particular I reckon Andreev who is absolutely violent with his forehand, hits more RPM's than Nadal's forehand. Other players can also be significantly more jacked than feeble frickin' Nadal to fvcking blast the strings upwards through contact.
And on backhands, most 1hbh's, (especially Almagro, Gasquet, Wawrinka and Volandri) will get significantly more topspin on their backhands than Nadal does on his. Gulbis also likely has more topspin RPM's on his backhand.
Almugro had no problem open firing on Rafa's shots until he had a chance to win the set.Unless I'm mistaken, many objective individuals have opined that , yes, Rafa hits the average heaviest rally ball ever seen, AND it's coming at you with lefty spin which together make him highly unattackable and this particularly frustrates attacking players. Rafa would destroy prime McEnroe or Edberg but Borg would play Rafa tough in my opinion.
Thread title made me :lol:
You guys have short (selective?) memory*.
Rafa's balls are too heavy for Novak to handle when on clay. Paradoxically, It's only when his balls are wet, that Novak can get a hold on them, even then barely so.
* Case in point: Rain at 2012 Roland Garros, i.e. less than a year ago.
When I first saw Jim Courier in person, at a first or second round match the first year he won Roland Garros, I didn't think it was possible to hit a bigger topspin forehand. Nadal's forehand is much heavier.
Here's a piece on Nadal's forehand rpms I recalled from last year....but he pays a price for it!
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...HKvoBI&usg=AFQjCNFQQYzahCvUOCxtyhIXfyexGt5ANA
This is all speculation.
We only have a sample size of 4 players + Bruguera and Sampras.
Nadal hits the most spin out of that, but so what?
At least measure all of the top 200, focusing mainly on clay-courters. I still wanna see RPM data on Andreev forehand. I reckon that wipes Nadal's forehand.
And take an average of forehand AND backhand topspin, cuz guess what - u ain't gonna get forehands 100% of the time.
Nada's backhand lets him down bigtime on spin production.
I don't think it was ball heaviness at all. Ferrer is just afraid of Nadal. If it is so heavy then why doesn't Novak have any problem with it ?
Well usually once Nadal can hit a solid forehand, he can dictate the points and hit ALL forehands for the rest of the rally. So he IS able to hit consistently heavy balls.
I agree with you about Andreev, Verdasco also gets huge topspin on his forehand when he wants to.
Just add up average rotational kinetic energy and translational kinetic energy of the ball from Nadal. On the forehand it is probably the most, but if we are not using any data from other players it is speculation.
But his backhand is the flatter wing, and it can be exposed.
This is why I think it's important to have heavy spin off of both wings, and Nadal doesn't deserve to be called the 'spinniest player of all time' or whatever, because only one of his groundstrokes is hit with heavy topspin.
what sport is it that you are watching and mistaking it for tennis? nadal can hit dozen different backhands.......just watch his 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 videos.......and also his latest videos from acapulco........
there are no answers to nadal on any court in this world if his deep cross court backhands and down-the-liner are working........both the shots worked after nearly 2 years against ferrer and we saw the result straightaway........surface did not matter.......