Cindysphinx
G.O.A.T.
Simple question: If a player was a 4.5C in 2008 and hasn't payed since, can she self rate as a 4.0?
Simple question: If a player was a 4.5C in 2008 and hasn't payed since, can she self rate as a 4.0?
She can if she uses a different name.
Simple question: If a player was a 4.5C in 2008 and hasn't payed since, can she self rate as a 4.0?
Yes....
I have a guy that was looking to join my men's 4.0 team (for the 2013 season) that was computer rated 4.5 a few years ago (2009ish).... when you look up his current year end rating it was listed as 0.0 because a period of 24 months had elapsed where he didn't play in USTA Leagues.
Nope, I checked that. She is using the same name, and her record from 2008 and before is there for all to see.
She did play a bunch of tournaments. I wonder if that explains why the computer let her rate at 4.0. Maybe her end-of-season results for 2008 were low enough to get bumped down to 4.0, so that's why the computer didn't bar her from 4.0S?
The other thing to remember is that a self-rating appeal still shows up as S rated, not A rated, so you can't tell if she self-rated and appealed or not just by looking in TennisLink.
She is older (55?), and it definitely says 4.0S.
I guess it's OK for her to play for us? There is a DQ risk, but that doesn't to stop the other captains from taking strong self-rates on their teams.
My section's NTRP coordinator tells me that the computer now checks for prior ratings when a player self-rates (it didn't the very first year they applied the rule), so that it's "not possible" for her to self-rate lower than her last published rating unless she successfully appeals first, which many have. Since she's a prospective member on your team, maybe you should ask her if she appealed first? Remember, if she signs up for you we'll pretty quickly figure out who you're talking about and ask your section coordinator about her for you! JRB I think the DQ risk Cindy's talking about is "fradulent self-rate" not "three strikes".
But it would be deemed fraudulent if she self-rated lower than her last published rating, even if the computer mistakenly let her do so, without an intervening appeal. Thus subject to DQ.
If you look up his rating using the Find a Rating link on the League page, it will say 0.0, but if you go to his player page, it will show his last rating, which should be 4.5. He would have to self-rate at 4.5 and appeal. At least here, there have been several self-rating appeals granted so far this Spring. May vary by section, but it seems like Middle States is more interested in getting people playing than strictly policing artifical standards.
FYI. Medical appeals show up with an "S" rating. You would have to ask if she appealed for a medical reason. I thought a rating was good for 5 years and a player would have to sit out of all team tennis during that period to self-rate down.
I used to know most all the rules. Not anymore.
When you look him up on Find a Rating... he shows up as 0.0, when you look at his last match play result .... it lists him as 4.5
When he inquired (at the local level) about playing on our 4.0 team he was told that he was able to join the 4.0 team as a 4.0......
We play in the Atlanta area.... not sure if the rules are different than your area.
In the good ole days of visual verifiers and on site DQ's it was 5 years now it is sit for 3 yrs and lie to self rate lower.
She can if she uses a different name.
You can lie all you want, but if you are a 4.5 and sit out for 3 years, you cannot come back lower than 4.5.
If you create a new name to get around this rule and you are a strong player at the lower level, someone is going to do some sleuthing and catch you.
Then please explain how your player did it then? That is the whole point. I hate how the USTA now allows you to sit three years and then appeal with some lame ass excuse and get back to where you were dominating before that led to the bump up and then like a spoiled child takes their ball home and sits, while other keep playing and deal with it.
Simple question: If a player was a 4.5C in 2008 and hasn't payed since, can she self rate as a 4.0?
It is too bad that you can't rerate even after many years.
I played 6.0 mixed doubles with my wife 3 years ago with her self rating of 2.5 (she had never competed in any sporting event, ever). We were able to win most of our matches due to me covering 80% of the court and my heavy ground strokes which most 3.0 women couldn't even return.
My wife got bumped to 3.5 after that, which basically makes it impossible for her to play, because she would be a middling 3.0 at best. Now, her competitive career is essentially over.
or maybe even adjust and do fine at 3.5... you never knowShe can still appeal her rating to 3.0 or at worse play one season at 3.5 and have her rating go down if she is truly 3.0.
That's the thing. She is not playing to get better per se, she just enjoys playing. She has not really improved in those three years. And I doubt that my club 3.5 team will welcome her in.
I see no possibilities for her to play any competitive league with her current rating.
Go to a USTA center and have them rate you. Never rate yourself as you are biased