Who and when will be the next Slam champion with a 1hbh? (Federer not included)

Ehh · Mar 28, 2013

State the year, the slam and the player, if you please...

If you think it's someone we've never heard of yet, say that, and, likewise, if you think humanity will end before there is another non-Federer 1hbh slam champ, voice your opinion...

I'll go first;

There will never be another 1hbh slam champ again. The 1hbh will be entirely phased out of the top 500 by 2030.

merwy · Mar 28, 2013

Gasquet AO 2014

Oh and don't be so pessimistic about the 1hbh. Dimitrov is very likely to win a slam some time, unless he becomes some kind of a Donald Young, but I don't think so.

The Meat · Mar 28, 2013

No one, there aren't any good one handers who have an all around games or bash the ball consistently. Federer might be the last Slam Champion to have won with a one hander.

Wasn't Sampras the last One hander to win a slam besides Federer until now? That's kind of pathetic, bring me more one handers world!!!

Elite · Mar 28, 2013

Tsonga will go to a 1BH and win Wimbledon this year. Watch.

stringertom · Mar 28, 2013

Wimby'27...one of the Fed twins!

forzamilan90 · Mar 28, 2013

Gasquet or Dimitrov

Hops · Mar 28, 2013

The Meat said:
Wasn't Sampras the last One hander to win a slam besides Federer until now?

1H slam winners since 1990

Lendl
Gomez
Edberg
Sampras
Becker
Stich
Muster
Krajicek
Guga
Rafter
Korda
Costa
Federer
Gaudio

Slam Finalists since 2000

Corretja
Verkerk
Flipper
Puerta
Gonzo

ShoeShiner · Mar 28, 2013

who? Grigor Dimitrov / when? not too long

Relinquis · Mar 29, 2013

Gasquet, US Open 2013...

Ehh · Mar 30, 2013

Not sure if Miami 2013 proved or disproved that we'll never have another 1hbh slam champ who isn't Federer.

On the one hand, it's nice that 2 different 1hbh players made it to the semi's. On the other hand, once they ran out of steam they got completely dominated - and the fact that they both (Haas and Gasquet) ran out of steam well before their 2hbh opponents (Ferrer and Murray) suggests that the 1hbh requires a lot more effort to hit, and that in this day and age where fitness prevail, the extra effort is severely punished.

Fiji · Mar 30, 2013

Besides Federer, nobody else.

Cup8489 · Mar 30, 2013

Ehh said:
Not sure if Miami 2013 proved or disproved that we'll never have another 1hbh slam champ who isn't Federer.

On the one hand, it's nice that 2 different 1hbh players made it to the semi's. On the other hand, once they ran out of steam they got completely dominated - and the fact that they both (Haas and Gasquet) ran out of steam well before their 2hbh opponents (Ferrer and Murray) suggests that the 1hbh requires a lot more effort to hit, and that in this day and age where fitness prevail, the extra effort is severely punished.

Nah, Gasquet and Haas both could have won. It's simply that Murray is fitter than Gasquet and Haas can be excused for not beating Ferrer, who is one of the best players in Miami in recent years.

corners · Mar 30, 2013

Dimitrov. Wimbledon 2015

Kenzik · Mar 30, 2013

Really wanna see Gasquet in the finals at least.

underground · Mar 30, 2013

merwy said:
Gasquet AO 2014

Oh and don't be so pessimistic about the 1hbh. Dimitrov is very likely to win a slam some time, unless he becomes some kind of a Donald Young, but I don't think so.

Dimitrov? No way. He can't even serve out a set against a top player (that's 3 times this year already), and it's the way he loses serve, 4 DFs in a game. Can you imagine him serving for the championship? He probably is shaking so much he can't even throw the ball.

The Meat · Mar 30, 2013

Hops said:
1H slam winners since 1990

Lendl
Gomez
Edberg
Sampras
Becker
Stich
Muster
Krajicek
Guga
Rafter
Korda
Costa
Federer
Gaudio

Slam Finalists since 2000

Corretja
Verkerk
Flipper
Puerta
Gonzo

I'm talking about the last person who one a slam besides Federer, which would have been Sampras US Open 2002, then Federer went on a winning spree.

ark_28 · Mar 30, 2013

The Meat said:
No one, there aren't any good one handers who have an all around games or bash the ball consistently. Federer might be the last Slam Champion to have won with a one hander.

Wasn't Sampras the last One hander to win a slam besides Federer until now? That's kind of pathetic, bring me more one handers world!!!

Gaston Gaudio won the French Open in 2004!

ark_28 · Mar 30, 2013

Hops said:
1H slam winners since 1990

Lendl
Gomez
Edberg
Sampras
Becker
Stich
Muster
Krajicek
Guga
Rafter
Korda
Costa
Federer
Gaudio

Slam Finalists since 2000

Corretja
Verkerk
Flipper
Puerta
Gonzo

You forgot the Scud! Wimbledon finalist 2003 and Rafter a wimbledon finalist 2000 and 2001

SystemicAnomaly · Mar 30, 2013

Connors, Evert and then Borg inspired the next generation to adopt the 2-hander. In turn, the influence of Agassi and his generation took this to epidemic proportions. Federer, Gasquet and a few others in the past decade have made the 1-handed BH sexy again. That generation will be coming up in the ranks in this decade. Just give it a little more time.

Hops · Mar 30, 2013

ark_28 said:
You forgot the Scud!

Flipper = Scud

BevelDevil · Mar 30, 2013

SystemicAnomaly said:
Federer, Gasquet and a few others in the past decade have made the 1-handed BH sexy again. That generation will be coming up in the ranks in this decade. Just give it a little more time.

The "Federer Effect"?

I hope you're right, but I think there's reason to believe the "Federer Effect" will be muted, for a variety of reasons:

- There seem to be plenty of pros who idolized Pete Sampras as kids, yet they have 2hbhs.

- Coaches seem set on the idea of promoting the 2hbh, regardless of who the GOAT is.

- Nadal. Not only is he very popular, but he's made a career of beating up on Fed's bh in high-profile matches.

- Fed is a terrible model for the 1hbh, at least for beginners. He may actually have set back the quality of 1hbhs.

- Nadal

- Shouldn't we already be seeing the Federer effect in the 16 and unders? From what I hear, the 2hbh is as dominant as ever. Not sure though. I'd like to see some numbers...

Sentinel · Mar 30, 2013

The Meat said:
No one, there aren't any good one handers who have an all around games or bash the ball consistently. Federer might be the last Slam Champion to have won with a one hander.

Wasn't Sampras the last One hander to win a slam besides Federer until now? That's kind of pathetic, bring me more one handers world!!!

Nope, There's Schiavone and Henin too .

jm1980 · Mar 30, 2013

Dimitrov is terrible. He is yet to win an ATP singles title and people are saying he's going to win a slam?

SystemicAnomaly · Mar 30, 2013

BevelDevil said:
The "Federer Effect"?

I hope you're right, but I think there's reason to believe the "Federer Effect" will be muted, for a variety of reasons:

- There seem to be plenty of pros who idolized Pete Sampras as kids, yet they have 2hbhs.

- Coaches seem set on the idea of promoting the 2hbh, regardless of who the GOAT is...

However, many young players have been asking to learn the 1-handed shot in the past decade even tho' they first learned the 2-handed BH and coaches may (or may not) have been promoting the double-hander.

It may be a minority of top juniors using the 1-handed BH, but they are definitely out there. Doesn't matter if Gasquet, Federer, Henin or whoever is or is not the best model -- it matters that they have inspired young players to give it a try.

Steve0904 · Mar 30, 2013

jm1980 said:
Dimitrov is terrible. He is yet to win an ATP singles title and people are saying he's going to win a slam?

Even funnier is Gasquet. At least Dimitrov is young and has potential. I know it's a joke, but seriously, Gasquet wouldn't win a slam if his life depended on it no matter how "pretty" his game is. I think his FH is ugly anyway, and of course his serve is not the best because he's below average height.

Ehh · Mar 30, 2013

BevelDevil said:
The "Federer Effect"?

I hope you're right, but I think there's reason to believe the "Federer Effect" will be muted, for a variety of reasons:

- There seem to be plenty of pros who idolized Pete Sampras as kids, yet they have 2hbhs.

- Coaches seem set on the idea of promoting the 2hbh, regardless of who the GOAT is.

- Nadal. Not only is he very popular, but he's made a career of beating up on Fed's bh in high-profile matches.

- Fed is a terrible model for the 1hbh, at least for beginners. He may actually have set back the quality of 1hbhs.

- Nadal

- Shouldn't we already be seeing the Federer effect in the 16 and unders? From what I hear, the 2hbh is as dominant as ever. Not sure though. I'd like to see some numbers...

I think there will be no 'Federer' effect. All coaches I've seen will force a 2hbh on you. Federer or no Federer, this is what coaches will argue;

1). If Federer wasn't successful, coaches would say: 'look, there's no good pro's out there who use a 1hbh anyway, so use a 2hbh.'

2). But since we live in a world where Federer has been so successful, instead the coaches say: 'Federer is an insanely talented one-in-a-billion freak of nature, there's no point in trying to emulate an anomaly like that, so here, learn the 2hbh like the other 99% of the tour.'

So, you see, in either situation, the coaches will manage to argue a way to drill any individuality out of upcoming players, get them to hit with the same technique and the same baseline grinding/bashing tactics.

Anaconda · Mar 30, 2013

Ehh said:
Not sure if Miami 2013 proved or disproved that we'll never have another 1hbh slam champ who isn't Federer.

On the one hand, it's nice that 2 different 1hbh players made it to the semi's. On the other hand, once they ran out of steam they got completely dominated - and the fact that they both (Haas and Gasquet) ran out of steam well before their 2hbh opponents (Ferrer and Murray) suggests that the 1hbh requires a lot more effort to hit, and that in this day and age where fitness prevail, the extra effort is severely punished.

Incorrect, the one hander doesn't require more potential energy to hit than the two hander, nor the two hander than the one-hander. Your premise is flawed because you're not taking into consideration Haas is quite old and is basically playing with damage already been done, and Gasquet's fitness has been in question for many years now. Secondly, you get many guys who have effortless two handers (Kuerten & Wawrinka) and two handers (Safin & Nalbandian) yet you get guys who have very uncomfortable one handers and two handers as well.

I don't see the fuss, who cares if people play with a 2 hander or not? Some of the best looking backhands ever (and most powerful to boot) have been two handed.

Steve0904 · Mar 30, 2013

Ehh said:
I think there will be no 'Federer' effect. All coaches I've seen will force a 2hbh on you. Federer or no Federer, this is what coaches will argue;

1). If Federer wasn't successful, coaches would say: 'look, there's no good pro's out there who use a 1hbh anyway, so use a 2hbh.'

2). But since we live in a world where Federer has been so successful, instead the coaches say: 'Federer is an insanely talented one-in-a-billion freak of nature, there's no point in trying to emulate an anomaly like that, so here, learn the 2hbh like the other 99% of the tour.'

So, you see, in either situation, the coaches will manage to argue a way to drill any individuality out of upcoming players, get them to hit with the same technique and the same baseline grinding/bashing tactics.

Perhaps, but guys like Nadal, Murray, and Djokovic are all insanely talented one in a billion freaks of nature too.

People are going to be inspired by Federer to use the one hander. I have no doubt of that. The problem is the 2 hander gives more advantages in today's game (court homogenization etc..). And I don't the think the people who will be inspired by Federer to use the 1HBH will think about what Nadal has done to it over the years. The truth is Nadal is the ONLY one in a billion freak of nature that has given Federer all those problems.

lim · Mar 31, 2013

Dimitrov by 2017

wilson_nxt · Mar 31, 2013

Dimitrov is best hope but unlikely. The fact Fed won Wimb last year shows it can still be done, it just needs the right player.

You could almost ask as obscure a question which is - which DHBHer is going to win a slam outside Djokovic, Murray and Nadal?

Nitish · Mar 31, 2013

Steve0904 said:
Even funnier is Gasquet. At least Dimitrov is young and has potential. I know it's a joke, but seriously, Gasquet wouldn't win a slam if his life depended on it no matter how "pretty" his game is. I think his FH is ugly anyway, and of course his serve is not the best because he's below average height.

According to ATP website Gasquet is 185 cm same as federer.

wilson_nxt · Mar 31, 2013

Yeah RG is one of those players looks shorter than he is due to having short legs. He's also amazing for getting such power on the SHBH with those narrow shoulders too...he hit one BH winner vs Murray at 103mph, that's plain ridiculous!

Nathaniel_Near · Mar 31, 2013

wilson_nxt said:
Yeah RG is one of those players looks shorter than he is due to having short legs. He's also amazing for getting such power on the SHBH with those narrow shoulders too...he hit one BH winner vs Murray at 103mph, that's plain ridiculous!

Holy moly, that's almost 105 mph!

No doubting the speed and power that Gasquet can generate with his one hander.

Sri · Mar 31, 2013

Bring back fast low bouncing courts and the 1HBH is better than the 2HBH.

It's all about conditions. Players adapt.

Sentinel · Mar 31, 2013

Nitish said:
According to ATP website Gasquet is 185 cm same as federer.

That's actually 185 mm. Gasket is a hobbit. Look carefully.

moonballs · Mar 31, 2013

wilson_nxt said:
You could almost ask as obscure a question which is - which DHBHer is going to win a slam outside Djokovic, Murray and Nadal?

The DHBBer field is quite deep: Delpo, Tsonga, Berdy.

Ehh · Mar 31, 2013

Sri said:
Bring back fast low bouncing courts and the 1HBH is better than the 2HBH.

It's all about conditions. Players adapt.

Is it really? If topspin is the name of the game with modern slow high-bouncing courts, then the one-handed backhand is much more adept at hitting heavy topspin than the two-handed backhand. If the one-handed backhand is an extreme grip one it is also good at handling high balls as well.

If modern courts are meant to be similar to clay, there are a lot of clay-courters out there with one-handed backhands, primarily, I think, because they feel they can hit more topspin that way.

I think Gasquet's game is more suited to the modern era than the 90's speed-freak ace-fests. His backhand breaks other people's backhands down just like Nadal's forehand with the kick and high bounce.

THE FIGHTER · Mar 31, 2013

Steve0904 said:
Even funnier is Gasquet. At least Dimitrov is young and has potential. I know it's a joke, but seriously, Gasquet wouldn't win a slam if his life depended on it no matter how "pretty" his game is. I think his FH is ugly anyway, and of course his serve is not the best because he's below average height.

gasquet is of above average height. similar height to federer and rafa.

ultradr · Mar 31, 2013

Gasquet at Wimbledon or US open before he retires. It would be a shame
if he does not win a slam with all his talents.

THE FIGHTER · Mar 31, 2013

wilson_nxt said:
Yeah RG is one of those players looks shorter than he is due to having short legs. He's also amazing for getting such power on the SHBH with those narrow shoulders too...he hit one BH winner vs Murray at 103mph, that's plain ridiculous!

i contemplated this notion as well. i think the narrow shoulders, to a degree, help gasquet get a lot of torque in the shoulder rotation even when he's jammed up. it may help to explain his ability to hit hard from not the most ideal positions.

The Meat · Mar 31, 2013

Sentinel said:
Nope, There's Schiavone and Henin too .

That's WTA, doesn't matter. But don't get me wrong, I loved Henin's one hander and all court game. I'm just saying on the men's side, which is kind of pathetic. No one is willing to step up with a one hander and start destroying the field.

The Meat · Mar 31, 2013

BevelDevil said:
The "Federer Effect"?

I hope you're right, but I think there's reason to believe the "Federer Effect" will be muted, for a variety of reasons:

- There seem to be plenty of pros who idolized Pete Sampras as kids, yet they have 2hbhs.

- Coaches seem set on the idea of promoting the 2hbh, regardless of who the GOAT is.

- Nadal. Not only is he very popular, but he's made a career of beating up on Fed's bh in high-profile matches.

- Fed is a terrible model for the 1hbh, at least for beginners. He may actually have set back the quality of 1hbhs.

- Nadal

- Shouldn't we already be seeing the Federer effect in the 16 and unders? From what I hear, the 2hbh is as dominant as ever. Not sure though. I'd like to see some numbers...

I thought the Federer effect was: If Federer's name is listed on a poll, he automatically wins. If he isn't listed on a poll, he still automatically wins.

mental midget · Mar 31, 2013

Anaconda said:
Incorrect, the one hander doesn't require more potential energy to hit than the two hander, nor the two hander than the one-hander. Your premise is flawed because you're not taking into consideration Haas is quite old and is basically playing with damage already been done, and Gasquet's fitness has been in question for many years now. Secondly, you get many guys who have effortless two handers (Kuerten & Wawrinka) and two handers (Safin & Nalbandian) yet you get guys who have very uncomfortable one handers and two handers as well.

I don't see the fuss, who cares if people play with a 2 hander or not? Some of the best looking backhands ever (and most powerful to boot) have been two handed.

the 'probem' with the 1hbh, if you want to call it that, isn't that it's hard to generate power in a rally, not at all. the problem is it requires more exact court positioning to put weight behind the shot, whereas a two-hander can swipe at a ball from an open stance and still generate a lot of power, or can fight off a ball on the inside the same way. 2 hander also requires a half step less recovery, as contact can be made while stepping to, or already being on, the outside foot.

i hit a 1hbh and really don't like the 2 hander, but it does offer some advantages.

Ehh · Apr 16, 2013

I wonder why Gasquet, Almagro, Volandri and Wawrinka all do very well on clay. It's probably the best surface for all of them, yet it's also the slowest and highest-bouncing surface. So surely their 1hbh's should fail horribly on clay, at least, in comparison to their grass and indoor-hardcourt performance?

The last French Open winner who wasn't Nadal had a 1hbh.

Federer (who cares about that guy?) nonwithstanding, the prominent 1hbh players on tour all seem to do best on clay, and, comparatively there always seem to be more 1hbh players making deep runs on clay than on other surfaces.

Again, I wonder why this is when the 1hbh is meant to be punished by slow and high bouncing courts?

Anyway, I hope to see the one-handers make deep runs in the 2013 French Open.

ultradr · Apr 16, 2013

Ehh said:
I wonder why Gasquet, Almagro, Volandri and Wawrinka all do very well on clay. It's probably the best surface for all of them, yet it's also the slowest and highest-bouncing surface. So surely their 1hbh's should fail horribly on clay, at least, in comparison to their grass and indoor-hardcourt performance?

The last French Open winner who wasn't Nadal had a 1hbh.

Federer (who cares about that guy?) nonwithstanding, the prominent 1hbh players on tour all seem to do best on clay, and, comparatively there always seem to be more 1hbh players making deep runs on clay than on other surfaces.

Again, I wonder why this is when the 1hbh is meant to be punished by slow and high bouncing courts?

Anyway, I hope to see the one-handers make deep runs in the 2013 French Open.

You have Gustavo Kuerten and Thomas Muster in the list too.

All these european/south american players grew up on clay court extensively
and learn to adapt on that maybe?

I actually think Federer as a 2nd best clay courter of this generation. If not Nadal,
he would have won FO multiple times...

Ehh · May 5, 2013

Not sure if 1hbh is on the up or not...

3/4 of the semifinalists at Munich were 1hbh's, the final was contested between two 1hbh's, and right now, Stan Wawrinka is up a set against Ferrer in another final.

Ostensibly, good news for the 1hbh, but, if you look a little closer you will see that all these players using it (including Stan) are way too old to accomplish anything of note (a Slam, a Masters...etc...) in their careers, so, yeah, I think the next new 1hbh slam champion will come in some 75 - 100 years time.

EDIT: both Haas and Wawrinka won their respective smaller tournaments this week.

mandy01 · May 5, 2013

I don't see it happening with the way the game is going. And it's sad because the one-hander, aside from being a beautiful shot proffers more variety.

mightyrick · May 5, 2013

I don't see anybody with a 1HBH winning a major anytime soon. Dimitrov and Gasquet I put on Nalbandian level. Good enough skills to win some 250s or 500s. I think M1000s will be very tough. Majors next to impossible.

I think the only skill combo that would allow someone with a 1HBH to win a major would be an exceptional serve and exceptional forehand (which implies exceptional movement).

I just don't see anybody on the tour who has that.

RF20Lennon · May 5, 2013

Dimitrov! hopefully sometime in the near future.

Lukhas · May 5, 2013

mightyrick said:
I don't see anybody with a 1HBH winning a major anytime soon. Dimitrov and Gasquet I put on Nalbandian level. Good enough skills to win some 250s or 500s. I think M1000s will be very tough. Majors next to impossible.

Gasquet no unless he solve his stamina issues, Dimitrov why not. Federer also took his time to deliver the goods, so why not Dimitrov? It's not like he's too old for this is he? He's only 21, this offers a good margin of progression.

Who and when will be the next Slam champion with a 1hbh? (Federer not included)

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