Great post by Jack. You missed one PRO however, the head heavy balance can be easily adjusted with some weight in the handle, i.e. the weight kit supplies 5g or 10g to put in the butt cap (separate purchase).
Great post by Jack. You missed one PRO however, the head heavy balance can be easily adjusted with some weight in the handle, i.e. the weight kit supplies 5g or 10g to put in the butt cap (separate purchase).
Have you played with the Blade 98 and the Pro One 16 x 19? If so, acknowledging that they aren't the same. How did they play in comparison? I ask because I currently play with a Blade 98, but was looking for something a little lighter and a little easier to be lazy with.
then forget the P1. The Blade 98 or the P1 are not racquets that you can be lazy with. They are both similar in sw and both feel very weighty in the head. I would suggest the Blade 104.
Have you played with the Blade 98 and the Pro One 16 x 19? If so, acknowledging that they aren't the same. How did they play in comparison? I ask because I currently play with a Blade 98, but was looking for something a little lighter and a little easier to be lazy with.
Pros:
great impact feel - SOLID
arm friendly
lots of power and spin
nice plowthru
Cons:
balls sometimes fly due to power
head heavy feel while swinging
high-ish swingweight
poor paintjob quality (silver letters flake off)
gripsize little smaller than most
Is that because it is your weapon of choice? Or is it really that good?
true, but that adds a little sw.
If you have used this in match play, please comment as to its pros and cons. I am looking into demoing rackets and this caught my interest on the spec level alone.
Cons: The xenecore comes loose and the racquets make a very strange sound like something that's ripping which they don't see a manufacturing default. Very poor quality and even worse customer service. Was super happy with them at first but now....I'm switching!
Jack,
Hey my brother... I think you keep understanding, then forgetting again, that adding mass at the butt cap does not increase swingweight. I've explained it to you on several occasions, most recently around December of last year.
-Other Jack
I don't want to debate something so trivial, but adding weight anywhere on the racquet adds static weight and depending on how much you add, will in fact increase the swingweight. Adding 5 grams has minimal impact, but the higher u go, the more impact you will have on swing weight. Now I am talking the actual swingweight the user will feel. A machine that holds the racquet at the end may not show the increase, but its certainly there. If you added one whole oz. of lead tape around the butt end of a racquet and compared it with the same racquet stock, you don't think the one with the extra oz. will "feel" heavier to swing?
I give up.
Great stick .....it has pros in every area and only one con....
The racquet has more vibration than almost any racquet I have ever played with In my life . But other than that it's one of the greatest sticks I have ever tried.
Great stick .....it has pros in every area and only one con....
The racquet has more vibration than almost any racquet I have ever played with In my life . But other than that it's one of the greatest sticks I have ever tried.
Check the label on the throat. It tells you static weight, balance and flex (in that order. 90% of them have a higher than spec singweight.
What are the last 4 numbers then?
Pros:
great impact feel - SOLID
arm friendly
lots of power and spin
nice plowthru
Cons:
balls sometimes fly due to power
head heavy feel while swinging
high-ish swingweight
poor paintjob quality (silver letters flake off)
gripsize little smaller than most
never noticed that at all. :?
The Pro One is one of the sweetest feeling racquets around and also very arm friendly for such a powerful and semi-stiff racquet.
Other people have actually said the same thing .
It's weird ....it's supposed to feel muted but doesn't at all for me. The rest of the Donnay line however does in fact feel very muted.
I don't want to debate something so trivial, but adding weight anywhere on the racquet adds static weight and depending on how much you add, will in fact increase the swingweight. Adding 5 grams has minimal impact, but the higher u go, the more impact you will have on swing weight. Now I am talking the actual swingweight the user will feel. A machine that holds the racquet at the end may not show the increase, but its certainly there. If you added one whole oz. of lead tape around the butt end of a racquet and compared it with the same racquet stock, you don't think the one with the extra oz. will "feel" heavier to swing?
What are the last 4 numbers then?
Other people have actually said the same thing .
It's weird ....it's supposed to feel muted but doesn't at all for me. The rest of the Donnay line however does in fact feel very muted.
(customization kit) butt cap weights don't seem to be accurate: my +5g/+10g are +8g/+13g respectively. +3g hoop weights are accurate but tedious to fit and remove
If you are unlucky enough to demo a frame that is pre-strung at the factory, and play with no dampener, you will get a lot of string bed vibration (which is distinct from frame vibration). You'll know the factory stringing by the silver poly mains, the black multi crosses, and the white Donnay stencil. It's just God awful. Tension is way too high, that stencil paint is like glue, and the mutli crosses notch even before you hit a single ball. The result is mains that don't want to slide, but when they do, they stay put. That's just about the worst possible scenario for spin production. The high tension, stiff poly mains feel pretty pingy if you mishit towards the tip.
The frame itself however, is extremely damp. I'd say that it's actually the defining, distinguishing feature. It's solid core head to toe, and things that are solid vibrate much less than things that are hollow. With Gut Mains and Soft Poly Xs in the low 50's, it hits like buttah. Even sweeter than my old Volkl Tour 10 Gen 1 and 2's. The X99 Blues and X99 Blacks feel a bit more raw but are still pretty darn comfy.
Jack
(customization kit) butt cap weights don't seem to be accurate: my +5g/+10g are +8g/+13g respectively. +3g hoop weights are accurate but tedious to fit and remove
Thanks jack but I have two and both the same. In the original Donnay pro one thread here others found the same issue. And I believe some even in the te reviews.
I guess it depends on the persons sensitivity to vibration . This would explain why some feel it and some don't
Not sure. Some of the Donnay experts might know.
The buttcap weights are accurate. The discrepancy you point out is there because the standard buttcap (which is marked as +0) does not weigh zero. It weighs 3 grams, so that 8 gram cap which is marked +5 adds 5 grams as intended.
Have you weighted the +0g one? Hint, it's not 0g. :twisted:
My 2 +5g one is 4.6g and 4.9g heavier than the +0g, and the two +10g ones are 8.6g and...maybe 9.1g(not sure) heavier than the +0g.
Two TW customer reviews talk about the vibration and / or rattle
Comments: I bought this racquet, hit with it twice, and then sold it. This racquet had a lot of vibration on contact and had WAY to much power. I like the feel of the x-platinum and the discontinued x-blue much better. If you like the feel of the original X-line, avoid this racquet. If you thought the X-line lacked "pop" or "power," then this may be good for you.
From: SQ, 3/12
Comments: This frame is more like a "normal" frame, but mediocre at best. Conversely to the original frames, the pro one doesn't feel great in hand, it feels a bit club like. I didn't care for the flat black finish, had a rattle can quality to it. This is the best frame Donnay has made so far, but that is certainly not high praise. It has too much power, and not enough control. I like power, but without control, you are just wasting your time. I typically play with a Head Prestige, though I have tried many rackets. It has the power of a pure drive, but not the control. It has somewhat of a wilson feel to it, but much harsher.
From: Anon, 3/12
Manufacturing lot numbers. It's so they can back track any problems associated with a particular batch of frames.
I dont agree with any of the comments. It is not a great arm friendly racquet but it is least viberating racquet at its weight range. It has high flex rating which means stiff, but the technology clearly prevents viberation because the frame is not hallow unlike the stiff Babolat frames.
the second comment on lack of control is also a lie, the guy who put the comment is comparing a 18x20 (prestige) frame control to this racquet, which makes no sense. It is an 18x20 frame which is designed for control for spin friendly strokes. If you are flat hitter you will find issues controling power. I personally feel anyone who says a racquet is too powerful to keep the ball in play is actually complaining about their lack of skills to generate topspin.
If it was vibrating as badly as you say, I don't understand why you bought so many....
All I'm saying is that if you thought it was vibrating so badly, why you went out and bought some more of them?
If it was vibrating as badly as you say, I don't understand why you bought so many....
Do I like vibrations ....absolutely not . Is it enough of a dislike for me to throw away a racquet ? No way !!
The main thing to me is winning .... Vibrations never bothered my arm and it's something I'm willing to put up with ....maybe that's dumb.....and now that I come to think of it .... Yes it was dumb.
But you don't have to believe me others have said they found the same issue . I posted some of the other opinions as well.
You don't feel there's vibrations and that's fine but I do and other people do as well. There is no one right answer as people have different tastes and different arms .
Can we stop doing this dance now? The racquet is not the holy grail for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that.
But for the record it's an amazing racquet and one of the greatest that I have ever tried .