Federer will never win Monte Carlo...unless Djokovic beats Nadal in a SF and Federer is redlighting in the final.
SO, if we considered "slots" instead of "venues" (and I personnaly think we should considered "slots") Federer also has 8 out of 9 wins.
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Here are his first title for each slots:
Slot #1 : Indian Wells - 2004
Slot #2 : Miami - 2005
Slot #3 : none (Monte Carlo slot)
Slot #4 : Madrid (clay) - 2012
Slot #5 : Hamburg - 2002
Slot #6 : Toronto - 2004
Slot #7 : Cincinnati - 2005
Slot #8 : Madrid (hard) - 2006
Slot #9 : Paris - 2011
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But if we considered "venues", he misses 4 since he played them in 1999 :
Monte Carlo / Rome / Stuttgart / Shanghai.
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This is what I meant, veroniquem. It depends if you count the "slots" or the venues...
Both are unfair anyway.
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It was never about the slots. Djokovic will win all Masters 1000, unlike Nadal or Federer...........:twisted:
If Djokovic completes the set of Masters and Slams, and he looks good enough to do it, then that will be a very unique accomplishment. What does that say about the versality of Djokovic?
Haha, maybe he'll be the GOAT, and the irony that befalls the Fedfards and Rafatards will be hilarious. That will just be great!!!........:twisted:
The thing is djokovic never won Madrid on hard or Hamburg, fed and Nadal have never won shanghai but they won the Madrid hard when it was in the same slot. so then people were saying just count the slots since the events have changed to New ones. so Indian wells is the 1st master etc.
What he's saying is since Madrid clay switched places with Rome which is now the 5th master instead of the 4th, fedrrer has won the 4th when it was Hamburg and Madrid 2009 but last year it was the 5th masters. so technically he's won in 8 slots. Only a technicality but there's no real way to be fair. but djokovic has 8 of 9 current masters, though fed and Nadal could both amass wins at 11 different masters by winning the ones they don't have of current masters. djokovic can only get 9 at the moment.
Haha, maybe he'll be the GOAT, and the irony that befalls the Fedfards and Rafatards will be hilarious. That will just be great!!!........:twisted:
Federer will never win Monte Carlo...unless Djokovic beats Nadal in a SF and Federer is redlighting in the final.
not even sure he will ever play MC again. He skipped it this and last year (don't know about the years before that).
People, it is not that difficult:
Stockholm ( 90-94 ), Essen ( 95 ), Stuttgart ( 96-01 ), Madrid-Indoor-hard ( 02-08 ) and Shanghai ( 09-present ), ARE "THE SAME" M-1000.
Hamburg ( 90-08 ) and Madrid-clay ( 09-present ), ARE "THE SAME" M-1000.
Oy, oy, oy, wind yer neck in! At least he doesn't pick his backside unlike SOME people we could mention. :twisted:
So... Federer won "THIS" M-1000 because he won Madrid-hard, though he didn't won Shanghai yet ?People, it is not that difficult:
Stockholm ( 90-94 ), Essen ( 95 ), Stuttgart ( 96-01 ), Madrid-Indoor-hard ( 02-08 ) and Shanghai ( 09-present ), ARE "THE SAME" M-1000.
So... Federer won "THIS" M-1000 because he won Madrid-hard, though he didn't won Shanghai yet ?
And Also Rome because he won Hamburg when it was at "THIS" place ?
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No, I think It's more complicated than that... That's why we can't really talk about "slots" or "Masters number x", and we can't really talk about "venues" either cause it would be unfair !
i.e : IF we consider Djoko will have ALL Masters when he win Cincinnatti because he would have won in 9 different places over MANY years (and not 1 year) DESPITE never won Hamburg and Madrid-hard while he played them... THEN we have to consider in the SAME way that Federer already won 8 different places over many years (because he won Hamburg and Madrid-hard), and misses Monte Carlo, Rome, Shanghai and Stuttgart.
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He won 8 different venues :No, Federer has won 7. Never won MonteCarlo and Rome.
No, Federer has won 7. Never won MonteCarlo and Rome.
He won 8 different venues :
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Hamburg - 2002
Indian Wells - 2004
Toronto - 2004
Miami - 2005
Cincinnati - 2005
Madrid (hard) - 2006
Paris - 2011
Madrid (clay) - 2012
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He didn't won Stuttgart, Monte Carlo, Rome, Shanghai.
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So... Federer won "THIS" M-1000 because he won Madrid-hard, though he didn't won Shanghai yet ?
And Also Rome because he won Hamburg when it was at "THIS" place ?
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No, I think It's more complicated than that... That's why we can't really talk about "slots" or "Masters number x", and we can't really talk about "venues" either cause it would be unfair !
i.e : IF we consider Djoko will have ALL Masters when he win Cincinnatti because he would have won in 9 different places over MANY years (and not 1 year) DESPITE never won Hamburg and Madrid-hard while he played them... THEN we have to consider in the SAME way that Federer already won 8 different places over many years (because he won Hamburg and Madrid-hard), and misses Monte Carlo, Rome, Shanghai and Stuttgart.
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Nobody cares about the 750 event (Olympics). It happens too rarely to be statistically significant and only exists to advertise tennis to the broad TV audience.
Ha ha that would be awesome!This year wont happen, Nole lost his chance.
Now I want Rafa to win Cincy, and then win Bercy so next year he can complete all 9 M1000 in Miami
Ha ha that would be awesome!
I don't know what's realistic anymore. I mean Rafa beat the odds pretty hard this year, didn't he?And extremely unrealistic
Are you dense or just trolling?
There are 9 different M-1000 licenses.
Indian Wells bought one of them in 1990 and still holds it.
Miami bought one of them in 1990 and still holds it.
Monte Carlo bought one of them in 1990 and still holds it.
Rome bought one of them in 1990 and still holds it.
Canadian Open bought one of them in 1990 and still holds it.
Cincinnati bought one of them in 1990 and still holds it.
Paris-Bercy bought one of them in 1990 and still holds it.
The remaining two M-1000 licenses:
Stockholm bought one of them in 1990 and held it till 1994, this one license was later bought by Essen in 1995 (and only held it that year), in 1996 this same license was bought by Stuttgart that held it until 2001, in 2002 this same license was bought by Madrid-indoor-hard that held it till 2008, this same license was bought by Shanghai in 2009 and still holds it.
Hamburg bought the other license in 1990 and held it till 2008, this same license was bought in 2009 by Madrid-outdoor-clay and still holds it.
I hope you now understand that Djokovic has won 8 out of 9 , Federer 7 out of 9 and Nadal 6 out of 9.
Also, I believe that Nadal holds 5 out of the 9 current masters? He lacks Bercy, Miami, Cincy and Shanghai.
Nadal is not too far away. He needs Miami, Paris and Shanghai. I think he can get Miami, that's outdoor. But Paris and Shanghai? Long shot. But I wouldn't count him out. Anything is possible.
He does not need Shanghai. He needs Paris and Miami. I think Paris will be the toughest. (But what do I know? lol Rafa will probably turn into indoor specialist next )Nadal is not too far away. He needs Miami, Paris and Shanghai. I think he can get Miami, that's outdoor. But Paris and Shanghai? Long shot. But I wouldn't count him out. Anything is possible.
He does not need Shanghai. He needs Paris and Miami. I think Paris will be the toughest. (But what do I know? lol Rafa will probably turn into indoor specialist next )
He does not need Shanghai. He needs Paris and Miami. I think Paris will be the toughest. (But what do I know? lol Rafa will probably turn into indoor specialist next )
Shanghai replaced Madrid (which was on lightning indoor court much faster than Shanghai, the kind of court Nadal supposably cant win on but did), so Nadal has won that one whether he wins the actual Shanghai venue or not. He is still 3 away though- Paris, Miami, and the WTF. I agree it will be tough but not impossible. Certainly way better odds than Federer or Murray ever have to complete it, that is for sure. The form he is in now he just might win the Paris-WTF double this year and move alot closer.
Wrong.
He's two M1000 away: Bercy and Miami.
WTF is not a M1000 but an exho. There are just 9 M1000 and Rafa has conquered 7 with his triumph in Cincinnati
Nadal obviously considers it important as he worked very hard in 2010 to make the final. You have no idea what youre talking about