alexgeorge
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I live in West London, Chiswick. I usually play at Kew Bridge courts. My schedule is flexible, my email is yev_7(at)me.com, let me know next time you are in the area and we can hit.
ok Thanks Jack, your a great help.
I live in West London, Chiswick. I usually play at Kew Bridge courts. My schedule is flexible, my email is yev_7(at)me.com, let me know next time you are in the area and we can hit.
I ordered half set/hybrid crossfire 18 pack with a few other stings from TW in us, it was only $7.50 for shipping. But I have been buying 17g Ashway from a local pro shop in West London, at £9 for 40 feet. The difference between 18g and 17g is very small, I could not really tell a difference between the two visually, or in my racket. I bought a reel of 17g recently, you are welcome to try half a set if you want.
On the subject to poly / ZX, the setup is only really as good as poly lasts. The Yonex PTP/ZX hybrid was great for the first 3 hours or so, but the Yonex seems to have lost tension/crispness now and I'm not feeling the same confidence from the stringbed as when it was fresh. Feels a bit rubbery and no longer firm/crisp in the way that I like.
Torres, 4G/ZX might be worth a try.
That's an interesting idea actually - hadn't thought of that. It doesn't have much spin compared to the best grabby polys out there and its a beit dead feeling but 4G tension maintenance is pretty good, though my arm didn't like it as a full bed. 25 hours or so over 3 weeks and my arm felt like it was on fire.
Think I'll try it with some ZX crosses and see how it plays.
A few months ago I tried 4G in full bed in C10 Pro, side by side with Hurricane feel, both 1.25. 4G felt softer the first few times out, than they felt about the same. Interestingly Hurricane feel shower a few percent better tension maintenance, but there are too many variables, like I am not sure how long I hit with each one, although about the same.
I suspect that 4G will get stuck and will not be snapping back into place with ZX, just my feeling after handling ZX, it has a weird surface that sort of wrinkles, although I did not have any problems with it snapping back when I used as full setup, but I only had it in for two weeks and cut it out.
Hurricane feel was pretty stiff and low powered, and was very smooth, so probably better than 4G in the mains with ZX, but I really don't see much benefit to using both in a hybrid with ZX when it comes to performance/making you actually play better, the only benefit would be softening up the setup while exhibiting longer tension maintenance
I think 18g Kevlar/ZX would have a much better performance, if it snaps back like Trav said it did in his 18x20.
I have a friend who is going to try Gut/ZX in a Fischer vac pro 90, which is a very low powered racket. I will be stringing it for him and probably will hit a few balls with it. I had pacific tough gut in that racket at 51 lb and even that was low powered as full setup.
Looks like the "17g" Kevlar I was buying from the local shop is actually 18g Kevlar (I did not inspect the reel the guy was cutting from, he said it was 17g), because I just got a reel of Ashaway 17g Kevlar, and it's noticeably thicker than the previous "17g" It looks exactly like Bow Brand Kevlar 1.20mm that came with natural gut/kelvar hybrid pacs. I suspect that Bow Brand buys it's Kevlar from Ashaway for these hybrids, which is good because I really liked that Kevlar even so it was thicker it had good sliding properties once notched, and the crosses did not slide up and down. Will have to try this 17g with red ZX cross vs a natural ZX cross, and maybe vs a thin poly cross like WC Mosquito Bite or Genesis Heptonic.
Julian, can you ask and confirm that the Bow Brand Kevlar is actually Ashaway Kevlar? I am 99% sure, but this would save me buying a set and testing it against Ashaway.
Looks like the "17g" Kevlar I was buying from the local shop is actually 18g Kevlar (I did not inspect the reel the guy was cutting from, he said it was 17g), because I just got a reel of Ashaway 17g Kevlar, and it's noticeably thicker than the previous "17g" It looks exactly like Bow Brand Kevlar 1.20mm that came with natural gut/kelvar hybrid pacs. I suspect that Bow Brand buys it's Kevlar from Ashaway for these hybrids, which is good because I really liked that Kevlar even so it was thicker it had good sliding properties once notched, and the crosses did not slide up and down. Will have to try this 17g with red ZX cross vs a natural ZX cross, and maybe vs a thin poly cross like WC Mosquito Bite or Genesis Heptonic.
Julian, can you ask and confirm that the Bow Brand Kevlar is actually Ashaway Kevlar? I am 99% sure, but this would save me buying a set and testing it against Ashaway.
Thanks Julian, I really appreciate the info because I really liked that "Bow Brand Kevlar" but it only came in a hybrid with natural gut, which is great if you can afford to use natural gut, or don't live in London and don't play on wet courts. I am looking forward now to trying the 17g Kevlar with ZX.
Any idea if Ashaway is planing to make 18g Kevlar Plus in the near future? The 17g Plus plays ok, but 18g would obviously be a "plus"
Thanks
No plans for an 18g Plus in the near future. Possibility further out as Plus becomes more popular and demand for a thinner version arises. I am pushing for the 1st ZX hybrid offering to be ZX w/ Kevlar Plus. I think the Plus has the potential to take away the least from the benefits (power, arm friendly, tension maintenance) of ZX while adding control. It would also be less expensive than a full set of ZX because the Kevlar is less expensive than the Zyex.
Handling some Red ZX 1.27 and 'wheat' ZX 1.27 from 2 different sets of ZX earlier today, the wheat ZX definitely seems to me to be a slightly thicker gauge (or the Red is a thinner gauge). It was the same with the previous set of 'wheat' 1.27 that I had. The wheat also felt like a heavier gauge when I strung it as full bed, compared to the Red. Obviously, with any manufacturing process there's a range of manufacturing tolerances, but I'm half tempted to try and find a micrometer to prove whether or not I'm right....
Anyway, going to string up a Wilson Natural Gut 1.30 / Wheat ZX 1.27 hybrid in my BLX Juice Pro (96/16x20) to see what that's like.
Any suggestions as to tension?
Poly/ZX I normally string at 52/53CP
Previously strung Wilson 16/AluR 17 at 54/50CP but the gut seemed to powerful (with the whole thing turning to crap when the Alu loses too much tension).
I'm thinking maybe 58/56CP? 60/56CP? 60/58CP?
This should be interesting....Weiscannon B5E 1.24 / ZX 1.27 @ 51/53 CP.
Weiscannon B5E isn't a string I particularly like, but it is grabby. TW review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7YdDHZkxSU
Handling some Red ZX 1.27 and 'wheat' ZX 1.27 from 2 different sets of ZX earlier today, the wheat ZX definitely seems to me to be a slightly thicker gauge (or the Red is a thinner gauge). It was the same with the previous set of 'wheat' 1.27 that I had. The wheat also felt like a heavier gauge when I strung it as full bed, compared to the Red. Obviously, with any manufacturing process there's a range of manufacturing tolerances, but I'm half tempted to try and find a micrometer to prove whether or not I'm right....
Anyway, going to string up a Wilson Natural Gut 1.30 / Wheat ZX 1.27 hybrid in my BLX Juice Pro (96/16x20) to see what that's like.
Any suggestions as to tension?
Poly/ZX I normally string at 52/53CP
Previously strung Wilson 16/AluR 17 at 54/50CP but the gut seemed to powerful (with the whole thing turning to crap when the Alu loses too much tension).
I'm thinking maybe 58/56CP? 60/56CP? 60/58CP?
OMG, that looks beautiful! At first, I was thinking your tension was too low but then I remembered you live in Europe.
Which do you like better, wheat or red?
After reading your post, I went and compared the thickness of the Wheat 1.27 vs the Red 1.27, as I have both - they appear identical thickness to the naked eye.
I pre-stretched 18 feet of the 1.27 wheat along with 18 feet of 18g kevlar last night on my pulley rack - getting ready to lace of my Blade and see if I can tell any difference between the Red and the wheat.
After about 24h of singles play, the pre-stretched ZX/kevlar is still playing just fine, with minimal tension loss. The kevlar is about 50% sawed through in the sweet spot with only a few more hours before it snaps, so I think it's about time to change it out while it's the weekend.
24 hours! Excellent! How does your arm feel?
Photo proof of higher energy return.Interesting.
I actually suspect that the red might be more slightly more elastic/lively that the wheat (though bear in mind my previous thoughts that the wheat might be fractionally thicker).
Using heavy duty pliers, and squeezing two handed with all the force I can, ZX does 'squish' though not as much as a poly, despite the ZX being significantly softer. I think its due to the ZX material having more spring to it than poly.
B5E 17 poly turned into a pancake
ZX 16 flattened though nowhere near as much as B5E
Interesting how 'clean' the cut is on the ZX, whereas the B5E despite being a significantly stiffer string, 'squishes' in the direction of the cut.
I just noticed that in my black / red string photo, if you ignore the shadow on the Red ZX, they're pretty comparable thicknesses aren't they?
B5E17 is supposedly 1.24mm, and Red ZX is supposedly 1.27mm. I wonder if I've got a thin batch of Red ZX? It seems to be thinner than the wheat.
I really like this stuff. Once I got the power dialed in (it's high) its very comfortable and really has Natual Gut feel/power. I have it strung with a low powered spinny Poly (Genesis Spin X) and it plays really good. The low powered poly helps tame the power in my Wilson BLX 6.1 95 16X18.
At least I know my observations were not a fluke, even at higher tension the wheat seems to have less snapback than the red. This is odd as it seems to be stiffer than the red, which should allow for less denting and more sliding, so it must be the surface coating.
Perhaps if there is a little more friction between the mains and crosses, this could explain why the tension seems a little higher. I know when I spray silicone of PTFE on a poly stringbed that is not snapping back fully, and hit with is after it feels a little more lively, although not for very long.
I still have two sets of wheat ZX left, I will try to exchange them for red. Planing to string up a set of Gut/ZX and Kevlar/ZX in a pair of matched Fischer Pro Classic 98's, this is a low powered stick compared to the Volkl C10 Pro where Gut/ZX is not really an option.
Good to hear! Are you using the 16 gauge or the 17 gauge? red or natural? What tension for both ZX and Poly? What type of game do you play?
Julian,
I forgot to post in the other thread, but that is very interesting about the cost of PEEK versus nylon. It is also exciting that this string is so new and it came out pretty darn good on the first try. With your interest in all the playtester comments, further tweaking should only make it better.
I play an all court game (quite a bit of net) with quite a bit of doubles as well. 16G in my 16x18 stick. I have tried both..they feel very similar..Red looks better so I use it. Poly Mains 52/Zyex 57. I am competitive 4.5 player.
There were a lot of R+D iterations before we settled on the current version for the market. We really need to get as much information as possible about this string before we try to push further.
As someone who enjoys the string, I am interested - what type of game do you play? spin vs flat? a lot of net or mostly groundstrokes?
I see that you are a big proponent of nylon, but use Poly in the mains when your arm can handle it. Have you considered Poly mains with a ZX cross?
Another mark in the plus column for 16 gauge in the 56,57, maybe 58 range. Interesting!
I'm a 4.5 mostly singles player but do play some doubles. My game would be best described as all court. I tend to hit with a lot of spin. Playing on clay, getting to net is usually not a great idea against bigger hitters but I do like to get up there against more defensive minded players.
I'm not really a fan of nylon, just forced to use it at times. I like the control and spin of polyester.
I probably will try poly/zx at some point. For the summer, I'll try and have 1 racket with the ZX and my other two with the poly/multi setup. In wet clay conditions (rainy season here in Florida), I'd go for the ZX to get more power. In hotter faster conditions, I'd opt for the poly/multi setup. When the weather cools off again I plan on just using ZX and mixing in some multi string tests.
Is there anything about your game that you think lends it to controlling the ZX better than some others have been able to? or do you chalk it up more to the racquet/ tension/ gauge combination? I understand you would only be speculating. Just your opinion.
Is there anything about your game that you think lends it to controlling the ZX better than some others have been able to? or do you chalk it up more to the racquet/ tension/ gauge combination? I understand you would only be speculating. Just your opinion.