Only danger here is that the experiment's results will be misleading given the weight of the electrical tape.
You just weigh the strips after you've put them together. If they're 2g and you only want 1g, you just cut it in half.....
Only danger here is that the experiment's results will be misleading given the weight of the electrical tape.
changed my lead setup for SW 340, 32.2cm balance, 21.1 MGr/i
JGads: 1,1,1,1,.5 @ 10, 2, 4, 8 and 12. (Total 4.5g)
PPlayer: 2g @ 10-11, 2g @ 1-2 (total 4g)
Cmendez: 2g each at 3,9,12 (total 6g)
Amir75: 2g each at 3,9,12 + 4g in throat (total 10g)
A Gerst: 6g above buttcap, 11g @ 10, 11g @ 2 (total 28g)
badmice: 2g each @ 3, 9 + 1.5g in throat (total 5.5g)
dgoran: 10g @ top of handle (total 10g)
mykoh: 7, 7 @ 10, 2 + 9g in butt cap (total 23g)
spinliferafa: 3g each @ 3,9 (6g total)
sunshine22: 2g each @ 3,9,12 (6g total)
anubis: 2g each @ 11, 1 (4g total)
skeeter: 2g each @ 10,2 (4g total)
Haven't used a Volkl PB10 in quite awhile, although I remember enjoying it quite a bit. While I await receipt of my 315 Ltds., and given that their somewhat comparable to this Babolat guy, would appreciate the thoughts of anyone with significant experience with both.
It plays like a spinnier, more forgiving version of the PB 10 Mid when modified with extra mass. Just as plush and solid. Not quite as precise as the scalpel-like PB 10 but definitely control oriented.
The other night I managed several very delicate drop shots from just behind the service line that just cleared the net and sank like rocks. Those and DTL backhand slices are among my favorite shots and I'm having no problems. The BH down the line from the ad court is my benchmark for control with a frame and this one passes the test (one handed backhand).
If you enjoyed the PB10 Mid then you won't be displeased with the 315 once you beef it up a little at the very least. That extra weight is crucial for stable precision.
Difficult to know where to begin but some initial thoughts:
- Doesn't feel like a flexy stick at all. Certainly not RA59. Maybe I've got one from a stiffer batch, but it feels more like a RA64/65 stiffness stick. Definitely not flexy, though not necessarily stiff either. Stiffness to me feels like that of BLX Juice Pro ~ RA65(?)[......]The 315 doesn't feel 'buttery' to me. We're in the realms of subjectivity, but buttery to me means butter smooth, butter soft, ie plush, something like the Dunlop Rev Tour Pro 2 with its internal carbon rods. Very clean, direct response through the racquet though.
I think Torres has been the only one here to comment *against* the widely trumpeted softness of the 315. Certainly in the sense that he doesn't think it's anywhere near that nirvanic sub-60RA some of us crave. A bummer for me, as I was rather hoping it would deliver somewhere in that 56-59 ballpark.
As Torres describes it, is your experience of the true flex of the 315 to be more in the 63 range, the rating that is pretty much found imprinted on every Dunlop 200/300 these days?
The flex might be +-4 RA points, it's all about QC, this can happen in all rackets.
There's a user here in one post that said his racket was 57RA.
So you can allways get a 315-16x19 from 56 to 63RA I guess...
Excellent point Art.
....except that racquets don't vary by 8 RA points.
How many frames have you examined in an RDC machine? 315s specifically?
Don't forget, an RDC only measures flex at the throat.
And, of course, distribution of mass influences perceived flex. For example, some feel that extra mass in the upper hoop makes a frame play stiffer. If a frame can vary as much as 6g then they can certainly feel different with respect to perceived flex depending on distribution of mass. Check out the YouTube video on how frames are made. There's a ton of handwork involved. Significant variation is certainly possible.
Hmm. i may be doing it wrong, but in attempting to calculate the swingweight of my two frames, I came up with 349 and 343 (pendulum method). that seems a bit high. I ran the calculations 3 separate times, each with three passes that were averaged.
Frame 1
weight: 345g
balance point: 12 3/4" (6 points HL)
length: 27"
time average: 13.83 sec
SW = 349
Frame 2
weight: 345g
balance point: 12 11/16" (4.5 points HL)
length: 27"
time avg: 18.86
SW = 343
Frame 1 has: strings, overgrip, button dampener, 4g lead
Frame 2 has: strings, overgrip, button dampener
Seems rather bulky. Prestige, watch out!
Racquets don't vary by 8 RA points.
....except that racquets don't vary by 8 RA points.
The reading on one of them showed 60 RA strung.
Another one I have showed 58 unstrung.
It is definitely not 64, Prestige MP territoty.
Is this racquet drastically different to a Dunlop 300 Tour? OR a prestige MP? Can someone explain the differences? (talking about 18 mains version)
Hi guys, i just got the 315 Ltd 18x20 today from Racquetman. The stick was strung with full bed poly, unknown tensions, and no modification on it. I just put on 1 Yonex overgrip and hit for 2 hrs. My current racquet is Head Utek IG Prestige MP strung with Black Code 17g at 57 main and 55 lbs cross. Only the 1st few forehands i've notice right away the feels of the 315 is like PT 280 Made in Austria. Such soft feel in the arm when i hit super heavy flat forehand that i could never forget the PT 280 Made in Austria. 315 is slightly firmer than the PT280, but it still has the soft feel. I could feel the vibration when hitting flat forehand with the IG Prestige MP, but the 315 was absolutely none. Awesome. I just enjoyed hitting every way with it. 1 handed backhand worked great for me. Serves with 315, flat or kick are slightly heavier than the IG Prestige MP. At net, i can catch a quick returning ball easily with the IG Prestige MP better than the 315. Maybe i got so used to play with the Prestige. Right now i think i don't need to add lead tape on the 315 because it has more power than the IG Prestige MP. With the current string i think i will break within 2 days, or around 5hrs. I will re-string with the Black Code 17 at higher tension and see how it feels. 315 is a great racquet and i will make a switch for sure. Thanks for reading and thanks for all of your reviews. Peace.
You are done with the APD mods?
No no, sometimes you want Salad, sometimes you want Steak...I'll say this: the more I play with APD, the more I want to put it down...even though shots are awesome...it's just...wait for it...stiFF!!!. I want to go back to that plush feeling of gut and poly sometimes, not sweat the restrings so much, give my arm a break, etc...
Me too. That is why I have ended up here.
I really, really enjoy this racquet.
I also like steak in my salad.
Me too. That is why I have ended up here.
I really, really enjoy this racquet.
I also like steak in my salad.
Have yet to put the gut poly in the apd
I demoed the 16x19 last night. I loved the feel of the frame, but it felt really HH. I checked the weight and balance afterward, 4.5 points HL and 11.9oz. Do I just ask TW for the most HL one they have? If I do order one that is.
No no, sometimes you want Salad, sometimes you want Steak...I'll say this: the more I play with APD, the more I want to put it down...even though shots are awesome...it's just...wait for it...stiFF!!!. I want to go back to that plush feeling of gut and poly sometimes, not sweat the restrings so much, give my arm a break, etc...
Sounds about right.
Can also tweak the grip/lead. It's weird, but my frames came through so much easier when I dropped the leather for a synthetic grip and added some head weight. Counterintuitive, I know, but depending on how you swing, different weight setups can really alter the way it moves through the air.
Can also tweak the grip/lead. It's weird, but my frames came through so much easier when I dropped the leather for a synthetic grip and added some head weight. Counterintuitive, I know, but depending on how you swing, different weight setups can really alter the way it moves through the air.
Sounds about right.
Can also tweak the grip/lead. It's weird, but my frames came through so much easier when I dropped the leather for a synthetic grip and added some head weight. Counterintuitive, I know, but depending on how you swing, different weight setups can really alter the way it moves through the air.
Have enjoyed my time with the 315 Ltd., but I sadly have to the leave the party.
I'm wondering whether this frame just a bit half baked. And whether someone originally mentioning 'pro stock' has caused a load of people to pile in, but then politely make their excuses when the realise that it doesn't seem to swing quite right.
I like how precise it can feel at times but its the distribution of mass throughout the racquet which I think is the most problematic because it affects how the racquet swings, how solid it feels etc.
I have to admit that I'm struggling to get this racquet feeling right. Adding enough weight so that it feels solid and stable with sufficient plough and stability and the right feeling distribution of mass (for me) and its c355g. At that weight, its a very different stick to what it was originally.
Sounds like a technique issue.
I agree that in stock form the lack of mass is an issue. But once you add some mass for greater stability and plow it's fine. My 11 year old hits consistently and accurately with it at my modded specs of ~12 oz.
As frame SW and weight increase your strokes need to be easy and smooth and your timing needs to be more accurate. Technique isn't just swing path. It's also anticipation and footwork to set up for a decent stroke.
You need to spend some time improving your technique instead of blaming the frame when so many people, including an 11 year old, are winning matches with it.
Haha! Says the 3.0...
Have enjoyed my time with the 315 Ltd., but I sadly have to the leave the party. Great racquet, but the sweet siren call of Babolat was too much, with the oAPD having re-entrenched it's hold on me.
I'm wondering whether this frame just a bit half baked. And whether someone originally mentioning 'pro stock' has caused a load of people to pile in, but then politely make their excuses when the realise that it doesn't seem to swing quite right.
I like how precise it can feel at times but its the distribution of mass throughout the racquet which I think is the most problematic because it affects how the racquet swings, how solid it feels etc.
I have to admit that I'm struggling to get this racquet feeling right. Adding enough weight so that it feels solid and stable with sufficient plough and stability and the right feeling distribution of mass (for me) and its c355g. At that weight, its a very different stick to what it was originally.
Technically, 3.5 as of last season (and I've beaten 4.0s at our club).
But the that's not relevant to your problem with technique and heavier frames.
I'm wondering whether this frame just a bit half baked. And whether someone originally mentioning 'pro stock' has caused a load of people to pile in, but then politely make their excuses when the realise that it doesn't seem to swing quite right.
I'm wondering whether this frame just a bit half baked. And whether someone originally mentioning 'pro stock' has caused a load of people to pile in, but then politely make their excuses when the realise that it doesn't seem to swing quite right.
I like how precise it can feel at times but its the distribution of mass throughout the racquet which I think is the most problematic because it affects how the racquet swings, how solid it feels etc.
I have to admit that I'm struggling to get this racquet feeling right. Adding enough weight so that it feels solid and stable with sufficient plough and stability and the right feeling distribution of mass (for me) and its c355g. At that weight, its a very different stick to what it was originally.
The frame actually is the PT965. It says it on the pallet. People mention pro stock because that is the Tec pro stock mold, and the racquet comes as a platform racquet meant to be modified.
The Juice Pro has more Swingweight and is a bit more polarized. You may just prefer that feel.
It swings fine for many of us.
The Juice Pro has more Swingweight and is a bit more polarized. You may just prefer that feel.
Maybe. The 315 feels better to me with additional upper hoop weight but without counter balancing it feels too pendulum like. With counterbalancing its more stable but it starts feeling surprisingly clunky. Maybe some more fiddling is in order.