Mustard, One thing should be obvious: Dan Lobb is more obsessed by his darling than BobbyOne is obsessed by his. Dan seems to be in the TMF sphere...
Success Story, by Lew Hoad
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Mustard, One thing should be obvious: Dan Lobb is more obsessed by his darling than BobbyOne is obsessed by his. Dan seems to be in the TMF sphere...
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Degrees of blackness.
The idiom "The pot calling the kettle black" is used in a situation where a person is considered guilty of the very thing of which they accuse another. It dates from the time when cooking was done over an open hearth fireplace; both the kettle and the cooking pot would be suspended above it and collect the same amount of soot. The earliest instances date from the early 17th century.
I simply follow the facts to where they lead.
I do not buy into the typical commercial hype and hackery which passes for tennis analysis.
Bobby, I have made many critical remarks on my posts, I am not a blind hero-worshipper.
I do not see any critical remarks from you about your idol.
In 1969, Hoad told a London Times reporter (Bellamy) that anyone who considered him some sort of hero was experiencing some mental problem.
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Dan, Hoad played only a second role in the 1958 F.H. tournament. The two leaders were Gonzalez and Rosewall.
Dan, You should read my and your own posts more intensively.
kiki
Banned
The Cold War coincidence with the brightest moments of social equity, justice and welfare is no mere coincidence.Due to the pressure from the " Evil" Soviets, the Western leaders had to give something to their people so to avoid a big revolution.
It is one of the saddest, yet most exciting lessons from history.The Soviet Union did harm to their people but helped sooo much the western people..
Now, what is the pressure form Chine? more deregulation and wild west capitalism...
kiki
Banned
Yes, I know." The third way".
kiki, excellent analysis.
kiki, Probably a tamed Capitalism (like many years in Sweden) is better than a tamed Communism. But we don't know what would have happened if the Sowjets would not have invaded Czechoslovakia under Dubcek. Maybe a Socialism with "human face" would have arisen.
kiki
Banned
Yes, sounds realistic.It would have developed a kind of socialism like Yugoslavia.Not a stalinist regim like that following.
Hoad and Gonzales played the final, marquee match of the 1958 Forest Hills Pro tournament, and it was the match of the tournament.
Hoad df. Gonzales df. Rosewall df. Hoad
And around it went.
Inconclusive.
All matches counted towards points in the overall tournament championship and bonus money pool for 1958.
Dan Lobb's mathematics. In fact Hoad finished only fourth.
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First in the tournament series on points and money, in which Forest Hills formed a part.
When all is said and done.
newmark401
Professional
Success Story, by Jaroslav Drobny
Some interesting comments. I'm going to add a similar piece on Jaroslav Drobny today.
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Some interesting comments. I'm going to add a similar piece on Jaroslav Drobny today.
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Good rating system.
tom williams
Rookie
tom williams
Rookie
Hello Dan i myself is a Hoad fan i saw him play Conzales and Sedgman in the late fifties and Laver in Sydney Jan 1963, when i look at the tennis today i find it boring with both players camped on the baseline waiting for one to make a mistake, i often wonder what the past champions would do today with the new equipment, they say the players today are fitter i do not buy that,i think Hoad and Emerson could play all day and all night and still be ready for the next day,to see Hoad and Conzales in todays draw i think it would very interesting.Cheers Tom Williams
tom williams
Rookie
Back again just about every one turned up in my home town to watch Hoad play Sedgman at school all of us wanted a Lew Hoad tennis racquet and also a Norm Oneil cricket bat but none of us got either111.tw
Great to hear from you, Tom.
I envy you that you got to see Hoad and Gonzales play each other in their prime years, I wish I could get into a time machine and see those matches.
Also Laver/Hoad in Sydney.
It's a crying shame that what film footage that was made of the great match ups from those years are not available to the public today.
All the copyright concerns keep them tied up in the vault.
Great to hear your reminiscences, Tom.
Keep in touch.
Again, I Have to agree with You-LOL! When Laver and Rosewall were asked a few years ago who was the greatest they ever played, both said Hoad, which surprised. At fist thought they said that because they did not want acknowledge each other and neither had much love for Gonzalez. Having learned more about Hoad's 58-59 here, it seems they may have been telling the truth. Assuming bot Ken and Rod are correct, this is where consistency becomes important. Between 60-63 Lew usually played very well, but was overtaken by Rosewall, then Laver. Did Ken peak then, or did Hoad decline? Probably a combination of both, which deprives Hoad from being in the top tier of all time greats, accomplishment wise, IMHO.The footage is of no value in storage
I would still pick Hoad for 1961...he won a hth series against Gonzales, and won the key match of the 1961 Kramer Cup, described by McCauley as a "historic" event.
There was no pro tour in 1962, so no official champion that year, and Hoad was clearly playing better than the other pros in the 1963 Australian tour.
Dan Lobb, Why not picking Hoad for 1963 (beat Laver clearly in Australia), 1964 (won the New Zealand tour) and 1965 (beat Laver at Sydney)?
Alas, I must correct you again (as so often): There was a pro tour in 1962 (albeit not in the USA) and there was an official champion that year. If you research a bit you even will find his name...
tom williams
Rookie
tom williams
Rookie
Back again Dan i was wondering what the thoughts and the thoughts of the people on this foram would be if Lew Hoad was to to play Roger Federer how do you think the match would go Hoad playing with the modern equipment he would be able to generate great power as i havei said i saw him play in his prime and the ball left his racquet like a bullet. cheers TW
tom, I believe that Hoad would win if they played one single match but I'm not sure if he also would win a series of 100 matches against consistent Federer.
I would assess his chances of beating Fed in a big match as better than 70%, Hoad had a much better backhand and volleys and overhead.
He just had too much.
I envy you your memories of seeing Hoad at his peak.
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I have just posted a clip from that match.
