Barnburner Poll: Age of Legends

Who wins between a 35 year old Agassi and 39 year old Ken Rosewall at the U.S. Open?

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Chopin

Hall of Fame
Dear posters, come one and come all, to the greatest threads of them all!

Who would win between a 35 year old Agassi and 39 year old Ken Rosewall? Both reached US Open finals at those respective ages. Rosewall was beaten decisively by Connors, while Agassi pushed Federer to four sets.

I'd like to hear from PC1, who I'd also like to invite to a chess match, Limpin', members of Club Chopin, and any of the Old Guard. Even the Historians are welcome. Let's have a round-table discussion about this complete with tea, cake, light piano music and yes, polling.

On a side note, let it be known that I'm looking for the 7 inch version of the Nike NET shorts (white and blue) in size medium.

Kind regards,
Chopin
 
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Indio

Semi-Pro
I don't care what equipment is used or which surface the match is played on, but I can't see any result other than Agassi whipping Rosewall like Connors did. Picture Rosewall serving and volleying behind that pitiful serve against a returner of Agassi's caliber.
 
forzamilan90

forzamilan90

Legend
I'm in an awe of that original post, OP is firing on all cylinders.
I think Agassi would take it, very reliable ground game.
 
Devilito

Devilito

Hall of Fame
Agassi had textbook strokes and was such a pure ball striker that he would be one modern player that could play with wood without much problems
 
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Chopin

Hall of Fame
forzamilan90 said:
We've never met, but your legend looms large across these parts, some of your threads are quite something!
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(With the flick of his hand, Chopin sends the fire higher into the dark sky)

Tell me then, forzamilan90, where is Limpin Hitter these days? I much desire to speak with him.
 
granddog29

granddog29

Banned
Agassi would win. There is a big difference between 35 and 40, although both were well past their prime, Rosewall was much more so. Even well past his prime Agassi did nearly beat Federer most times they played, and I dont think Rosewall at 40 the year he was barely winning games from Connors would have done this. It is a testement to what great talents both were to still be as competitive as they were at those ages either way.
 
forzamilan90

forzamilan90

Legend
Chopin said:
(With the flick of his hand, Chopin sends the fire higher into the dark sky)

Tell me then, forzamilan90, where is Limpin Hitter these days? I much desire to speak with him.
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Sh1t went down hard. There was a "moment" of confrontation between him and BobbyOne and LimpinHitter was never seen again after that. Sad state of affairs, I thought he was objective in his posts.
 
kiki

kiki

Banned
granddog29 said:
Agassi would win. There is a big difference between 35 and 40, although both were well past their prime, Rosewall was much more so. Even well past his prime Agassi did nearly beat Federer most times they played, and I dont think Rosewall at 40 the year he was barely winning games from Connors would have done this. It is a testement to what great talents both were to still be as competitive as they were at those ages either way.
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Very smart response
Rosewall at 35 kept winning majors but at 40 was the Cinderella at both W and FH
He was very competitive on fast and short lasting and comfortable grass
Now, on slow to medium and hard and 40 yrs it is quite a different story
Connors at 40 under the same circumstances got steamrolled by Courier
When you are above 32-33, each tennis year is like 2
 
NatF

NatF

Bionic Poster
Might depend on the surface, Agassi definately wins on hardcourts, Rosewall maybe on grass. Although I'd give Agassi 60/40 odds of winning them both.
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
big ted said:
didnt ken rosewall only have a slice backhand? i dont even think he could beat a 43 year old agassi
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big ted, Does not have Federer a slice backhand? And he wins many matches with it. Rosewall did not have a slice bh only. Actually his bh was more of a hard hitting drive often.

Rosewall at 40 was No.2 in the world. Agassi at 40 was???
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
forzamilan90 said:
Sh1t went down hard. There was a "moment" of confrontation between him and BobbyOne and LimpinHitter was never seen again after that. Sad state of affairs, I thought he was objective in his posts.
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Yes, especially when he indirectly called me a criminal (Günter Parche)...
 
NatF

NatF

Bionic Poster
BobbyOne said:
big ted, Does not have Federer a slice backhand? And he wins many matches with it. Rosewall did not have a slice bh only. Actually his bh was more of a hard hitting drive often.

Rosewall at 40 was No.2 in the world. Agassi at 40 was???
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Weak era ;)
 
forzamilan90

forzamilan90

Legend
BobbyOne said:
Yes, especially when he indirectly called me a criminal (Günter Parche)...
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I always thought if there ever would be an epic confrontation or banfest, it'd be between old school and new school, say if like kiki and i started started raging on each other. Never expected to see two old school guys in such a situation. I think I also may have come on you pretty hard in the past, never got in trouble though. Only got banned once for cursing out nadal slam king
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
kiki said:
Very smart response
Rosewall at 35 kept winning majors but at 40 was the Cinderella at both W and FH
He was very competitive on fast and short lasting and comfortable grass
Now, on slow to medium and hard and 40 yrs it is quite a different story
Connors at 40 under the same circumstances got steamrolled by Courier
When you are above 32-33, each tennis year is like 2
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kiki, Rosewall the Cinderella when being No.2 in the world? Very strange.

Rosewall kept winning majors at 37.
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
forzamilan90 said:
I always thought if there ever would be an epic confrontation or banfest, it'd be between old school and new school, say if like kiki and i started started raging on each other. Never expected to see two old school guys in such a situation. I think I also may have come on you pretty hard in the past, never got in trouble though. Only got banned once for cursing out nadal slam king
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Forza, Limpinhitter was banned for his aggression.
 
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NLBwell

Legend
Just as Connors was a terrible matchup for Rosewall, Agassi would be, also.
Rosewall could beat guys like Newcombe, who in turn could beat Connors, but Rosewall had no shot against Connors.
 
kiki

kiki

Banned
forzamilan90 said:
Son....does an 80 mph backhand not sound terrifying to you?
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I ROFL at those that never watched live the effect that this BH had on opponents
Opponents like Hoad,Laver and Gonzales who could forget more tennis than most if all current erers will be able to learn in their lives
 
kiki

kiki

Banned
forzamilan90 said:
I always thought if there ever would be an epic confrontation or banfest, it'd be between old school and new school, say if like kiki and i started started raging on each other. Never expected to see two old school guys in such a situation. I think I also may have come on you pretty hard in the past, never got in trouble though. Only got banned once for cursing out nadal slam king
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I agree with you
Now, if you just were a Led Zepp fan we still could manage it:-D

Of course, not ppssible being a Zepplin fan if born after 66 or 67 At the limit
 
kiki

kiki

Banned
Now it is quite amusing newtards believe oldtards do not have or have had as torrid or hatred discussions are they have with Nadal vs Fed fans or Murray vs Djoker
In fact we used to have the very same discussions and beating
There were Pro Laver and pro Rosewall fans
Pro Borg and pro Mac
Pro Connors and pro Mac
Pro Becker and Pro Edberg
But we all agree that 70 and 80 have been the funniest, greatest era to be a tennis fan
 
forzamilan90

forzamilan90

Legend
kiki said:
I agree with you
Now, if you just were a Led Zepp fan we still could manage it:-D

Of course, not ppssible being a Zepplin fan if born after 66 or 67 At the limit
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You could say the same thing for classical music. One ain't a Mozart fan if one was born after 1785.
 
forzamilan90

forzamilan90

Legend
kiki said:
I ROFL at those that never watched live the effect that this BH had on opponents
Opponents like Hoad,Laver and Gonzales who could forget more tennis than most if all current erers will be able to learn in their lives
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If they invent a time machine, I'd make it my priority to check Rosewall first thing(challenging Andrew Jackson to a duel would be second)
 
kiki

kiki

Banned
forzamilan90 said:
If they invent a time machine, I'd make it my priority to check Rosewall first thing(challenging Andrew Jackson to a duel would be second)
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One of the all time greatest rivalries was in the 60´s calcio: Gianni Rivera vs Sandrino Mazzola.Dividided the country for years...
 
forzamilan90

forzamilan90

Legend
kiki said:
One of the all time greatest rivalries was in the 60´s calcio: Gianni Rivera vs Sandrino Mazzola.Dividided the country for years...
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Yes, I'm familiar with that. I've read up with great interest on Milan history, that part sounds awesome. By default, Rivera has my utmost respect. If I was alive and aware during the late 80s....I would have been in paradise watching Sacchi start the revolution.
 
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kiki

kiki

Banned
forzamilan90 said:
Yes, I'm familiar with that. I've read up with great interest on Milan history, that part sounds awesome. By default, Rivera has my utmost respect.
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Rivera was not only a great player, but a succesful politician and the sugar of italian women for years...
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
NatF said:
I was messing with you, what year did Rosewall last end the year #2? It wasn't 74.
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NatF, In the 1975 World of Tennis yearbook (covering the 1974 season) Rosewall is ranked No.2 ahead of Newcombe, Borg and Nastase. This ranking was made by "Tennis Pope", Lance Tingay.
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
NLBwell said:
Just as Connors was a terrible matchup for Rosewall, Agassi would be, also.
Rosewall could beat guys like Newcombe, who in turn could beat Connors, but Rosewall had no shot against Connors.
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NLBwell, You are wrong. Rosewall beat Connors 6-3,6-2 in 1972. In 1974 he lost to Jimbo only 5-7 in a WTT match. In 1977 43 years old Muscles lost to Connors in a great match 5-7,4-6,2-6.

You should consider that both players mostly met in a tournament's final when Rosewall as a grandpa was rather tired...
 
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NLBwell

Legend
BobbyOne said:
NLBwell, You are wrong. Rosewall beat Connors 6-3,6-2 in 1972. In 1974 he lost to Jimbo only 5-7 in a WTT match. In 1977 43 years old Muscles lost to Connors in a great match 5-7,4-6,2-6.

You should consider that both players mostly met in a tournament's final when Rosewall as a grandpa was rather tired...
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72 was a younger (closer to peak) Rosewall vs. younger (farther from peak) Connors, WTT was, well, WTT, but Rosewall still taking Connors to 3 sets in 1977 is pretty impressive. Amazing how he could still play that well at that age. Still think it was a bad matchup for Rosewall compared to most other players.
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
NLBwell said:
72 was a younger (closer to peak) Rosewall vs. younger (farther from peak) Connors, WTT was, well, WTT, but Rosewall still taking Connors to 3 sets in 1977 is pretty impressive. Amazing how he could still play that well at that age. Still think it was a bad matchup for Rosewall compared to most other players.
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Rosewall lost in straight sets to Connors in 1977 but gave a magnificent performance.
 
NatF

NatF

Bionic Poster
BobbyOne said:
Connors at 22 was stronger than Agassi at 35.
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It would be better to compare Connors and Federer rather than Connors and Agassi. Agassi did alot better versus Federer than Rosewall against Connors.
Agassi in his book says that he was redlining his game to keep up with Federer, he was hitting the ball extremely hard off the ground. Agassi put in a better performance. So unless Connors was much better than Federer I think Agassi should have the edge.
 
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