I wouldnt qualify that as lame.
If the claims are true.
We haven't seen a serve video yet to judge.
Seems more like a "humble brag" thread to me. Someone help me my serve is only 110 mph sob sob.
We need a video.
I wouldnt qualify that as lame.
If the claims are true.
We haven't seen a serve video yet to judge.
Seems more like a "humble brag" thread to me. Someone help me my serve is only 110 mph sob sob.
We need a video.
If the claims are true.
We haven't seen a serve video yet to judge.
Seems more like a "humble brag" thread to me. Someone help me my serve is only 110 mph sob sob.
We need a video.
Racket drop perhaps makes a difference in the pros as they already have perfected their techniques.
But for a (supposedly) 4.5 to sob sob not enough flexibility, without showing anything, then have everybody else put in their $0.02... That is too funny.
Let's get real here.. There are other far bigger issues in Arche3's serve, then the stiff shoulder sob sob.
But again, without seeing it, all this is speculation.
Mr. Sureshs you could not have said any better.
5X over that wouldn't be too good really.... I doubt arche3 can beat Lee.
The reason you can only serve 80 mph (REAL mph, instead of the inflated radar mph), is probably due to some other flaws.
I'm going to work on the sideways thing. Not sure I understand about the ab crunch thing. But I must be doing something with my stomach muscles because now that I'm down to 175 lbs. I can almost see the faint outlines of a six-pack in the abdominal area when the Crohn's isn't acting up and distending my belly. Will try to work on swingpath also.TomT, several things...
Turn more sideways at prep position.
Lean forwards, so you lean forwards using your ab crunch as you swing.
Adjust swingpath more in line with the target.
Swing fast.
That last is the biggest MISunderstood part of serving. Every vid shows a guy with decent form swinging away at 60% swingspeed.
With 60, you get a weak flat serve your opponent swings back at you.
At 90, when it goes IN, you get a weak, mishit, blocked return.
Yes, that's what I understand "racket drop" to mean. It's beyond my understanding too, but it seems that flexibility in the elbow, wrist, and shoulder all contribute. It makes sense to me that if a person has a problem with range of motion of any of those parts, then that could hamper the serve.This is beyond my understanding, so I might be wrong..:shock:
If you mean "racket drop" as a moment in time when the racket is pointing at the ground, at the loop swing, after trophy position, then is the shoulder really any factor? Seems like the ability to bend the elbows as much as possible is the key here.
Well, you said it. "Swingspeed has something to do with length of swing". I can see how not being able to rotate the shoulder enough to bring the forearm down to 3 o'clock or a bit lower at max racket drop can mean enough MPHs difference in swing speed to make a significant difference in serve speed.I get my elbow about 2" higher than my hand, lefty, and about 2" lower than my hand, rightie. My right elbow don't bend, it dont' serve either.
But rather than a long swing, isn't swing speed the more important? Swingspeed has something to do with length of swing, but acceleration of the racket is the final factor in swing speed.
That's why, in plenty of recent serving vids, I always recommend...BEND THE ELBOW at trophy, so it get's bent more during the loop swing.
But of course, I can be wrong.
Arche3 you have clearly never played high level tennis.
There is no 'exponential' difference. It feels that way because you rarely see this speed.
Assuming your claim of 100mph is true, a 4.0 who usually sees 80mph serves will feel as if 100 is 'exponentially faster'.
Why are there so many tie breaks in the first set when pros play? because it's hard to pick up the serves in the beginning. But after a set, that ball starts look a lot bigger and comes a lot slower. The brain does an amazing job in calibrating to such things.
And by the way, stop the 'humble brag' of 100mph and the 'humble show off' - hey look at me, I play with some guy who hit 125mph.
Tennis is for sissies. Real men does this - talking about 'FAST'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRWp9rhfS_0
Arche3 you have clearly never played high level tennis.
There is no 'exponential' difference. It feels that way because you rarely see this speed.
Assuming your claim of 100mph is true, a 4.0 who usually sees 80mph serves will feel as if 100 is 'exponentially faster'.
Why are there so many tie breaks in the first set when pros play? because it's hard to pick up the serves in the beginning. But after a set, that ball starts look a lot bigger and comes a lot slower. The brain does an amazing job in calibrating to such things.
And by the way, stop the 'humble brag' of 100mph and the 'humble show off' - hey look at me, I play with some guy who hit 125mph.
Tennis is for sissies. Real men does this - talking about 'FAST'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRWp9rhfS_0
Guys I am amazed by all the fantasy talk.
Has ANYBODY seen Arche3's serves? or his play for that matter? Has anybody actually hit with him?
I read some of his recent posts. His tennis knowledge (or the lack of) would put him between 3.0 and 3.5, which is why I didn't think he can beat LeeD.
This is beyond my understanding, so I might be wrong..:shock:
If you mean "racket drop" as a moment in time when the racket is pointing at the ground, at the loop swing, after trophy position, then is the shoulder really any factor? Seems like the ability to bend the elbows as much as possible is the key here.
I get my elbow about 2" higher than my hand, lefty, and about 2" lower than my hand, rightie. My right elbow don't bend, it dont' serve either.
But rather than a long swing, isn't swing speed the more important? Swingspeed has something to do with length of swing, but acceleration of the racket is the final factor in swing speed.
That's why, in plenty of recent serving vids, I always recommend...BEND THE ELBOW at trophy, so it get's bent more during the loop swing.
But of course, I can be wrong.
arche3,
to increase your racquet drop, try supinating your hand/forearm a little
bit and also reducing the angle at the trophy position between upper arm
and forearm. This might give you a slightly deeper racquet drop.
It will probably also add topspin to your serve, though. It's not ideal for
power, but might get you a little more racquet speed.
I think a lot of people lose flexibility over time due to lack of stretching
but also that we don't use the opposite direction muscles much so we
end up with a bias towards the muscles requiring forward motion and
throwing but no the opposite. Doing some rotator cuff exercises should
help (and also reduce the likelihood of getting an injury when attempting
hard serves).
........................ Bad thing is I over did it. My shoulder is now killing me with all the stretching and serving. .................. Taking a week off to heal. ............................
If you injured your shoulder, a week is not long enough to heal.
Search: CharlieFedererer tendon healing time
or similar terms - impingement serve etc.- to find some of CharlieFedererer's charts and discussions.
See the Ellenbecker video on the shoulder and technique to minimize impingement on the serve.
Experimenting with new serving techniques with a new sore or injured shoulder is not good...........
High speed video camera.........
Instructor.
Good luck.
Thanks. Got the coach. Got the speed guns on court. No camera. It actually seems to be my right chest muscles more than anything internal.
Working with a physio is a good idea. It will be interesting to hear what yours recommends. I know a physio who used to travel with a grand slam winner. His approach for serving training is combination of hip and shoulder. For the right handed player, the left hip is very important. Both the hip and shoulder have to work in all planes of motion.