Actual 5.5 and 6.0 play

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Mrnoital

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asifallasleep said:
Other than the pace of the serves I wasn't impressed with either of these guys.
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I agree. How can you be a 5.5 or 6.0 and not keep the ball in play for more than 2 or 3 shots? I can't even count the unforced errors, there are so many. It's like, serve return out, serve return out, serve return out. Fault fault fault. :confused: They hit hard which seems to be their goal and the white guy has a hard serve but I see two shots and than someone hits it out.
 
TimeSpiral

TimeSpiral

Professional
Mrnoital said:
I agree. How can you be a 5.5 or 6.0 and not keep the ball in play for more than 2 or 3 shots? I can't even count the unforced errors, there are so many. It's like, serve return out, serve return out, serve return out. Fault fault fault. :confused: They hit hard which seems to be their goal and the white guy has a hard serve but I see two shots and than someone hits it out.
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Perhaps what you're seeing here is people of similar skill levels, but still not pro, trying to win. Since they're both similarly able to pressure one another, you get a lot of errors and nasty looking tennis.

Closer skill levels doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get longer rallies. In the case of these two guys, they're both essentially serve and volley players. That's a rush tactic that doesn't typically produce rallies anyway, especially at the rec level.
 
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Mrnoital

Banned
TimeSpiral said:
Perhaps what you're seeing here is people of similar skill levels, but still not pro, trying to win. Since they're both similarly able to pressure one another, you get a lot of errors and nasty looking tennis.

Closer skill levels doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get longer rallies. In the case of these two guys, they're both essentially serve and volley players. That's a rush tactic that doesn't typically produce rallies anyway, especially at the rec level.
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That might have something to do with it. It's odd seeing two hard hitting players serving and volleying which brings me to another point. At the 5.5 and above level, you would expect them to set up some points and not come to net every time.
 
TimeSpiral

TimeSpiral

Professional
Mrnoital said:
That might have something to do with it. It's odd seeing two hard hitting players serving and volleying which brings me to another point. At the 5.5 and above level, you would expect them to set up some points and not come to net every time.
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And you'd probably see that if you were watching some baseliners or all-courters. I could definitely be wrong about this, but at least in this section of play, these guys were all-in S&V.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
S/V tennis IS less than 3 shots.
Misses seemed to be lots of netcords.
If S/V tennis lasts 5 shots every time, it would be very low level S/V tennis.
 
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Mrnoital

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LeeD said:
If S/V tennis lasts 5 shots every time, it would be very low level S/V tennis.
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These only last two shots and it's not exactly high level judging on how many points are lost by the person serving.

These guys are not quick enough to play pure serve and volley.
 
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Timbo's hopeless slice

Timbo's hopeless slice

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Hmm, whoever it was that mentioned they are players of similar skill level trying to win and therefore it can look a bit ugly is on to something I think.

I notice that, in the league in which I play, ther eis a bit of a spread of levels on my line. When I play against the best opponents (there is a young guy with a DI ride in the bag for next year, a former tour player and so on), I am anything but pretty to watch.. I scramble, lungle and hack my way to a result, usually a defeat in the 6 -2 - 6 -2 range..

However, when i play the weaker opponents (there are a couple of 4.5s playing up), or even the guys at my level (solid 5.0), I am way prettier to watch (so I'm told, anyway).

This is all about time and pressure.. The more of the former you have and the less of the latter, the better you are going to look. This is why a couple of 4.0s rallying co-operatively can look really terrific, and it is also why the two guys in the OP look a bit scratchy.

(it's also why Federer always looks so damn good, the game is usually on his racquet, even against Rafa it's the errors that seem to kill him..)

I guess this is all a bit obvious to many of you, but when I read some of these comments...
 
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prostaff_fan

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The one thing that everyone seems to forget here is that they are playing on indoor courts. That's probably the reason they are serve and volleying more. Indoor courts tend to be fast and allow players to play more aggressive and precise shots as well as serves. I would like to see these players play outdoors and then make a judgement on their ratings.
 
oest10

oest10

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dennis10is said:
Not real 5.5. As a falling 1.0 I would have stepped in on their serves, first and second, make contact 6-8 feet in front of baseline for winners.

On my serves, safe third serve, an 8 feet kicker and come in to finish.

They are both 0.5s but solid bench mark 0.5. Notice how they consistently hold the racket on the skinny tube like end and hit the ball with the round part, with strings criss crossing the circular part.

As a falling 1.0, I sometimes get confused and hold the stringy part and hit the the tubular part with the fake leather wrap.
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This is pretty funny :D
 
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dominikk1985

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TimeSpiral said:
Perhaps what you're seeing here is people of similar skill levels, but still not pro, trying to win. Since they're both similarly able to pressure one another, you get a lot of errors and nasty looking tennis.

Closer skill levels doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get longer rallies. In the case of these two guys, they're both essentially serve and volley players. That's a rush tactic that doesn't typically produce rallies anyway, especially at the rec level.
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they are playing indoors. I don't think they serve and volley on clay. a lot of players S&V on carpet even if they are not real S&V players. If carpet was still around fed would probably S&V too (he did till the early 00s when they slowed down courts).
 
Harry_Wild

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Topspin Shot said:
Some of you guys are just plain crazy. This is very high level tennis; my head is exploding from reading some of these comments.
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Go to a major tour tournament - Miami or Pacific Life.... or U.S. Open and you will see that these guys in the video are nothing special - maybe 5.5s at best! It not how hard they hit; but how the tennis player moves and his placement of his shots that really counts! Take a look at Nadal or Djokovic or Federer for a sign of a good player in action.
 
Maximagq

Maximagq

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Well this thread did say they were actual 5.5-6.0 players, no more, no less..... It's not like 5.5 is terrible, most players would kill to play at that level.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Always a nice ploy by citing Nadal, Federer, to diss 5.5-6.0 levels of play.
However, compared to YOU and I, 5.5-6 would foreever breadstick us.
 
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buruan

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Harry_Wild said:
Take a look at Nadal or Djokovic or Federer for a sign of a good player in action.
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Yes.
Using these three names at reference for good players limits us to a maximum of about 30 *good* players in world history.
And from their vantage point, certainly this video is low level tennis.

From my vantage point it's pretty impressive.
 
West Coast Ace

West Coast Ace

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Govnor said:
I enjoyed that vid. Thanks for posting!
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Ditto. Good tennis and that beautiful facility.

TimeSpiral said:
That's a rush tactic that doesn't typically produce rallies anyway, especially at the rec level.
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Very true. And both are a little out of top playing shape - which will make people 'pull the trigger' a little faster.

Harry_Wild said:
Go to a major tour tournament - Miami or Pacific Life.... or U.S. Open and you will see that these guys in the video are nothing special - maybe 5.5s at best!
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Thanks, Captain Obvious. Of ALL the people who ever pick up a tennis racquet, how many get to the level of these two? I'll give you a hint: not many.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Don't obsess over the foot faults.
He has a weak serve, and the 6.0 needs the practice.
As a player, I only worry about footfaults if the server is winning every point on his serve.
Let the linejudges call the footfaults, I'm watching the ball.
 
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srimes

Rookie
LeeD said:
Don't obsess over the foot faults.
He has a weak serve, and the 6.0 needs the practice.
As a player, I only worry about footfaults if the server is winning every point on his serve.
Let the linejudges call the footfaults, I'm watching the ball.
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Yeah. How can you watch their feet and the ball at the same time? I can't imagine, unless it's a very slow serve.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Play a big tourney.
Everyone spectating knows who footfaults and who cheats on line calls.
If you want or need the respect of your peers, just play the game, honest and fair. You will get better practice partners, and you will ascend in skills and rankings.
While the cheater/footfaulter just get's LESS and less good practice partners.
 
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mrpeterman

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LeeD said:
They might be smacking the tape and hitting just out when they play each other....
Believe me, when they play against you and me, they hit every ball perfectly and placed perfectly out of our reach.
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You talk as if you know everyone and their game personally. Why in the world would you assume that you are the benchmark for the level of play on this forum?
 
PhrygianDominant

PhrygianDominant

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mrpeterman said:
You talk as if you know everyone and their game personally. Why in the world would you assume that you are the benchmark for the level of play on this forum?
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This is a pretty good question......

although I find LeeD's antics amusing, as well as his now elevated mythological status, I am readily awaiting a response.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
LeeD here....
Having seen good tennis in the past, I can say forthrite....those two guys are 5.5 and 6.0 players, both will double breadstick YOU every single time. neither will miss hardly any shots against YOU, and both are not playjng at their very best.
There are NO guys currently on this forum who would give them a tough match.
Ton, Fewipo, and the TW guy trying Futures are NOT regulary responding on this forum.
 
arche3

arche3

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LeeD said:
LeeD here....
Having seen good tennis in the past, I can say forthrite....those two guys are 5.5 and 6.0 players, both will double breadstick YOU every single time. neither will miss hardly any shots against YOU, and both are not playjng at their very best.
There are NO guys currently on this forum who would give them a tough match.
Ton, Fewipo, and the TW guy trying Futures are NOT regulary responding on this forum.
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Derp.... lmao.
I play 5.0 plus guys every week. Nobody is double bagel the boss arche. But who cares. Its all old man tennis anyways. Those two in video would beat me I think but not dbl bagels.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
I mentioned double breadsticks, not bagels.
I know you can get a game off either of them.
I think I can get ONE game off either of them in two sets.
5.0 guys would just get 2-3 games off those guys.
And when those two guys are "off", I'd bet I can get TWO games off them.
 
beernutz

beernutz

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LeeD said:
I mentioned double breadsticks, not bagels.
I know you can get a game off either of them.
I think I can get ONE game off either of them in two sets.
5.0 guys would just get 2-3 games off those guys.
And when those two guys are "off", I'd bet I can get TWO games off them.
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PrinceMoron

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Originally Posted by LeeD
LeeD here....

There are NO guys currently on this forum who would give them a tough match.

A few ladies would.
 
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tennis tom

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All you guys ragging on LeeD all the time, how many national tournaments have you played in? I don't know why he wastes his time here except for key-boarding practice.
 
Nostradamus

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joemanblues said:
this is what a real 5.5 and 6.0 players hit like..I can imagine 5.0's are not too far from this..its very humbling, all of you self rated 5.0's take a good look at it and reconsider your ranking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMipmdYHQqI
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these guys have excellent 2nd serves. but it doesn't seem to have as much spin as I seen in the pros. It isn't clearing the net by much at all. as good as these guys are, I thought they would put more spin on the 2nd serves ?
 
Ballinbob

Ballinbob

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Agree with Skiracer that this is what you will see in the later rounds of an Open Tournament. Not sure how many people are trolling but these guys are darn good...
 
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mrpeterman

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tennis tom said:
What was I thinking,
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Apparently you were thinking that because Lee played in national tournaments that therefore his opinion of the level of play of forum members who he has never seen play, is somehow credible

this is an internet message board, of course you're right!
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You are very perceptive. This is indeed an internet message board and I am indeed right!:)
 
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tennis tom

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mrpeterman said:
Apparently you were thinking that because Lee played in national tournaments that therefore his opinion of the level of play of forum members who he has never seen play, is somehow credible
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I never said Lee played in Nat Tournaments, I asked how many those who constantly rag on him have played? You're RIGHT again! That egg nog must be good.
 
beernutz

beernutz

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tennis tom said:
All you guys ragging on LeeD all the time, how many national tournaments have you played in? I don't know why he wastes his time here except for key-boarding practice.
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By "all the time" do you mean whenever Lee posts something such as his claim that he can take his self-professed 4.0 level skills and take two games off of 5.5 or 6.0 level players such as the ones in the video posted by the OP?

What is the minimum number of national tournaments played needed before one can comment here on what appear to be unbelievable claims?
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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LeeD is an old hack who wants to make you believe that everyone else on this forum is just as bad as himself.
 
West Coast Ace

West Coast Ace

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beernutz said:
By "all the time" do you mean whenever Lee posts something such as his claim that he can take his self-professed 4.0 level skills ...
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+1. In moments of 'clarity' he's actually admitted that these days he's really down to a 3.5 - which at his age is commendable. His 'Glory Days' stuff is amusing.
 
shazbot

shazbot

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LeeD's trolling is funny for the most part.

Where else will you find a 3.5, who has a bum leg and can hardly run, that can take a game off a 6.0?

He's my idol.
 
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